liberal conservative real life comparison

[Lord Tammerlain]

The time isn't wasted if you learn a valuable lesson. I'm not talking about learning how to straighten the handlebars on a bicycle, or physics. I'm talking about a real life lesson in problem solving. It's a lesson that everyone needs to learn and people like you prevent others from learning it in the name of helping them and/or "not wasting time".

So solving the problem in this case

Was to come back and get the bike and most likely have their parents fix it.

or it could have been

Being taught how to fix the bike, learning that they can do things themselves, and how to do it so they can apply what they have learned in other cases

I know which I would have liked done if I was the kid

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Here's an anecdote:
I was driving past a spongy meadow on a secondary road, when I saw a bunch of people pushing, or at least trying to push, a stuck vehicle out of the meadow and back on the road.
Now, anyone with half a brain knows you don't drive on mountain meadows for a variety of reasons.

I drove past them, not offering to help, muttering, "what a bunch of idiots!"

Does that make me a conservative?

Driving out on a spongy meadow is not only stupid it is wrong. I hate these morons that do that and tear the meadow up leaving ruts everywhere. You should have not only drove by you should have done a drive by shooting.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

So solving the problem in this case

Was to come back and get the bike and most likely have their parents fix it.

or it could have been

Being taught how to fix the bike, learning that they can do things themselves, and how to do it so they can apply what they have learned in other cases

I know which I would have liked done if I was the kid

Fixing the handlebars was actually a good option and I'll admit I didn't think of it. I was caught up in watching these kids think their way out of the situation kind of like one of those science shows where they give monkeys problems to solve to see how smart they are. You could just see their little brains turning trying to figure out their next move, fascinating really and in the end dad got to show them how to fix the bike, as it should be.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Driving out on a spongy meadow is not only stupid it is wrong. I hate these morons that do that and tear the meadow up leaving ruts everywhere. You should have not only drove by you should have done a drive by shooting.

That could have gotten me in trouble, so I just allowed natural consequences to take place.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

That could have gotten me in trouble, so I just allowed natural consequences to take place.

I went hiking on a local trail recently that had a sign at the beginning, NO MOTORIZED VEHICLES. Their was a foot bridge built over a swampy area about 100 feet long that 4 wheelers couldn't fit on so they went around it through the spongy meadow leaving it looking like a mud derby track. I'd have shot them if I saw them.

 

[rocket88]

You were PLAYING with them not helping them. :lol:

Yeah, but it sounds like fun!

 

[Dittohead not!]

I went hiking on a local trail recently that had a sign at the beginning, NO MOTORIZED VEHICLES. Their was a foot bridge built over a swampy area about 100 feet long that 4 wheelers couldn't fit on so they went around it through the spongy meadow leaving it looking like a mud derby track. I'd have shot them if I saw them.

You might have problems proving self defense. Better, just shoot out their tires and let them figure out how to get their vehicles out of where they should never have been in the first place.

People who trash national parks and wilderness areas really terk me off. I went to a wilderness lake, just a quick day hike, the other day. The forest service had posted "no campfires" signs at the trailhead due to dry conditions. What did I see when I got there but a campfire, built maybe ten feet from the lake shore, in an area of pine needles and tree debris, left burning, and full of trash. What a bunch of yahoos!

 

[FederalRepublic]

So solving the problem in this case

Was to come back and get the bike and most likely have their parents fix it.

or it could have been

Being taught how to fix the bike, learning that they can do things themselves, and how to do it so they can apply what they have learned in other cases

I know which I would have liked done if I was the kid

That's because kids are basically lazy. It's one thing to be taught how to do something for yourself. It's something entirely different and much more valuable to learn that you're capable of solving problems on your own.

 

[FederalRepublic]

Nonsense. As an amateur dog trainer with experience training scores of puppies I can say with certitude that in about 90% of the cases, a dog will fight the leash (and the collar) the first time it is used on them. Dogs have to be trained to accept the leash and collar

I amazed at your lack of understanding when it comes to analogies.

 

[Sisyphus]

I lean a bit right while my wife leans a bit left and this became evident in a real life situation that sums up the difference. We were staying at a campground recently sitting around having drinks in the evening and watching kids play in a grassy area across from us. Two little kids came riding down the road on bicycles, the littlest one could barely ride his tiny bike. The older brother veered off into the rough grassy area and little brother tried to follow but immediately crashed. Big brother lept off his bike to help and picked the little one up saying" quit crying, you're not going to die." My lib wife wanted to go help but I stopped her, the kid was fine. Then the kids discovered the crash had twisted the handlebars and the bike could not be ridden so they were in a quandary as to what to do, the little kid was to small to carry his broken bike. My lib wife says "lets go help", I said they are figuring it out. Soon they devised a plan, they left the broken bike and big brother pushed his bike while escorting still sobbing little brother back to their campsite. Within minutes big brother came running back for the wrecked bike and carried it home. I turned to my lib wife and said "see, they figured this out on their own. They learned they were capable of handling the situation without anybody's help. This was a growing experience for them and if we had helped the only lesson they would have learned was when you get in trouble just sit there and wait for someone to help you". She had to admit I was right. THE END

Learn from your wife. If riding a bike was an economy, where the more time riding were equivalent of productivity, which it is since your anecdote is metaphorical, your solution produced less output, while what your wife advocated would have produced more output.

In fact, from a pure economic standpoint, how productivity comes about is meaningless. More productivity is always superior to less productivity, regardless of the means of producing it.

So perhaps copy and paste this into an email to your wife, showing how she was right. And include an apology, which might just be more productive for you.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

That's because kids are basically lazy. It's one thing to be taught how to do something for yourself. It's something entirely different and much more valuable to learn that you're capable of solving problems on your own.

So to use the old Fishing Parable

Instead of giving a man a fish so he is not hungry for a day, it used to be teach the man to fish so he is not hungry for the rest of his life. It should be, do nothing and let the man figure it out by himself (or die trying)

 

[FederalRepublic]

So to use the old Fishing Parable

Instead of giving a man a fish so he is not hungry for a day, it used to be teach the man to fish so he is not hungry for the rest of his life. It should be, do nothing and let the man figure it out by himself (or die trying)

Taken to the extreme, yeah, but that's more of a long-term evolutionary lesson. Not exactly what we're talking about, nor what I would do.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Learn from your wife. If riding a bike was an economy, where the more time riding were equivalent of productivity, which it is since your anecdote is metaphorical, your solution produced less output, while what your wife advocated would have produced more output.

In fact, from a pure economic standpoint, how productivity comes about is meaningless. More productivity is always superior to less productivity, regardless of the means of producing it.

So perhaps copy and paste this into an email to your wife, showing how she was right. And include an apology, which might just be more productive for you.

BLAH!!!! :lol: