I'm hoping to hear your thoughts about how we as a society are punishing people for "sins" of the past, namely, having used gay slurs. I wonder how the LGBTQ community feels about what is happening in their name. Hearing that Kevin Hart was forced to step down from hosting the Oscars makes me wonder what the point of this exercise is. Should people really be losing jobs? Gigs?
Recently, a Virginia high school teacher was fired because he refused to use a gender pronoun. He wanted to reach some compromise and call the student by her new name, just not use a pronoun. Is that really grounds for firing?
A very liberal Canadian feminist, Meghan Murphy, had her Twitter account closed down because she said "men aren't women". This his hate speech nowadays?
I don't know that I'd be comfortable having these negative, even damaging things happen in my name. If someone said a slur many years ago, should we be punishing them now? Even when they don't stand by what they said anymore?
Should we follow Canada and compel speech?
Before anyone make assumptions, I am supportive of the gay community and have been pro-gay marriage for many years now. I would recognize a trans person's preferred name and pronoun and regard them as the gender they identify with, however, I will never us plurals, nor will I use "ze".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts...announced-oscars-host/?utm_term=.98ecf8c06dac
https://www.richmond.com/news/virgi...cle_65be1826-50b2-5d38-be58-47d9b9480917.html
https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/25/twitter-permanently-bans-feminist-writing-men-arent-women/
I disagree with the premise that Hart’s departure from hosting the Academy Awards happened “in the name of the LGBTQ community”. It was because society as a whole is diminished by anti-LGBTQ slurs. As for Hart, he was forced to step down not because of past comments, but because he refused to publicly apologize for them. He says that he has already made public amends for it in the past and wasn’t willing to be shamed again, and I respect that.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ho.../kevin-hart-steps-down-as-oscars-host-1167336
The high school teacher’s firing was unfortunate, but was entirely of his own doing.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pb...d-for-refusing-to-use-trans-students-pronouns
Do you really believe that if Hart apologized that he wouldn't have been forced to step down?
This is just shaming people and making them grovel. Hart said he's an almost 40 year old man and I respect the fact that he refused to capitulate to the usual public flogging from the PC police.
He made a good point. We're all guilty of saying things that are not so nice or tolerant, but we grow and learn. That's called being human.
I'm hoping to hear your thoughts about how we as a society are punishing people for "sins" of the past, namely, having used gay slurs. I wonder how the LGBTQ community feels about what is happening in their name. Hearing that Kevin Hart was forced to step down from hosting the Oscars makes me wonder what the point of this exercise is. Should people really be losing jobs? Gigs?
Recently, a Virginia high school teacher was fired because he refused to use a gender pronoun. He wanted to reach some compromise and call the student by her new name, just not use a pronoun. Is that really grounds for firing?
A very liberal Canadian feminist, Meghan Murphy, had her Twitter account closed down because she said "men aren't women". This his hate speech nowadays?
I don't know that I'd be comfortable having these negative, even damaging things happen in my name. If someone said a slur many years ago, should we be punishing them now? Even when they don't stand by what they said anymore?
Should we follow Canada and compel speech?
Before anyone make assumptions, I am supportive of the gay community and have been pro-gay marriage for many years now. I would recognize a trans person's preferred name and pronoun and regard them as the gender they identify with, however, I will never us plurals, nor will I use "ze".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts...announced-oscars-host/?utm_term=.98ecf8c06dac
https://www.richmond.com/news/virgi...cle_65be1826-50b2-5d38-be58-47d9b9480917.html
https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/25/twitter-permanently-bans-feminist-writing-men-arent-women/
The high school teacher attempted to compromise and meet halfway. I'm going to follow this case to see if he files a wrongful termination case. We need some case law which will hopefully stop the compelling of language.
Do you really think the Academy hired Hart just so they could fire him? Makes zero sense.Do you really believe that if Hart apologized that he wouldn't have been forced to step down?
This is just shaming people and making them grovel. Hart said he's an almost 40 year old man and I respect the fact that he refused to capitulate to the usual public flogging from the PC police.
He made a good point. We're all guilty of saying things that are not so nice or tolerant, but we grow and learn. That's called being human.
Do you really think the Academy hired Hart just so they could fire him? Makes zero sense.
I have no problem at all with Hart. Matter of fact, I even said that I respected his reasoning for not apologizing, again.
“Virtue signal”? That’s a new one for me.No, I think the Academy would have chosen to virtue signal. Once Hart's old tweets were found, his fate was sealed.
“Virtue signal”? That’s a new one for me.
You are contradicting yourself. You say no, the Academy wouldn’t have fired Hart if he apologized and you’re saying that once his old tweets were found his fate was sealed. Which of those two opposite beliefs do you want to settle on?
BTW, Hart’s remarks are not new news. They were public knowledge well before the Academy offered him the gig.
Blue:I'm hoping to hear your thoughts about how we as a society are punishing people for "sins" of the past, namely, having used gay slurs. I wonder how the LGBTQ community feels about what is happening in their name. Hearing that Kevin Hart was [, because of his past aspersive remarks re: homosexuality,] forced to step down from hosting the Oscars [, and his being obliged thus] makes me wonder what the point of this exercise is. Should people really be losing jobs? Gigs?
Recently, a Virginia high school teacher was fired because he refused to use a gender pronoun. He wanted to reach some compromise and call the student by her new name, just not use a pronoun. Is that really grounds for firing?
A very liberal Canadian feminist, Meghan Murphy, had her Twitter account closed down because she said "men aren't women". This his hate speech nowadays?
I don't know that I'd be comfortable having these negative, even damaging things happen in my name. If someone said a slur many years ago, should we be punishing them now? Even when they don't stand by what they said anymore?
Should we follow Canada and compel speech?
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I'm hoping to hear your thoughts about how we as a society are punishing people for "sins" of the past, namely, having used gay slurs. I wonder how the LGBTQ community feels about what is happening in their name. Hearing that Kevin Hart was forced to step down from hosting the Oscars makes me wonder what the point of this exercise is. Should people really be losing jobs? Gigs?
Recently, a Virginia high school teacher was fired because he refused to use a gender pronoun. He wanted to reach some compromise and call the student by her new name, just not use a pronoun. Is that really grounds for firing?
A very liberal Canadian feminist, Meghan Murphy, had her Twitter account closed down because she said "men aren't women". This his hate speech nowadays?
I don't know that I'd be comfortable having these negative, even damaging things happen in my name. If someone said a slur many years ago, should we be punishing them now? Even when they don't stand by what they said anymore?
Should we follow Canada and compel speech?
Before anyone make assumptions, I am supportive of the gay community and have been pro-gay marriage for many years now. I would recognize a trans person's preferred name and pronoun and regard them as the gender they identify with, however, I will never us plurals, nor will I use "ze".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts...announced-oscars-host/?utm_term=.98ecf8c06dac
https://www.richmond.com/news/virgi...cle_65be1826-50b2-5d38-be58-47d9b9480917.html
https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/25/twitter-permanently-bans-feminist-writing-men-arent-women/
First to think that anyone who flies the banner LGBT represents all gay people of all lesbian people all bisexuals and all transgenders is like suggesting anyone who flies the banner of Christianity represents all Christians.
I honestly don't identify with LGBT I am a homosexual there is no h. To me my sexual identity doesn't really have anything to do with anything else but who I choose to have a partnership with.
People who have been activists under that label I've done some nasty things. And a lot of things I don't agree with. I am very forthcoming when such things happen. Then there are people who attack me for not towing the line. I'm willing to bet you either don't notice that or didn't know it was a thing.
What was a thing? Not towing the line? Of course I know that. My query is about getting the community to come to the middle regarding tolerance. Because, I think that's at the root of this displays of PC purity.
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.
“Virtue signal”? That’s a new one for me.
You are contradicting yourself. You say no, the Academy wouldn’t have fired Hart if he apologized and you’re saying that once his old tweets were found his fate was sealed. Which of those two opposite beliefs do you want to settle on?
BTW, Hart’s remarks are not new news. They were public knowledge well before the Academy offered him the gig.
There are many in the public eye which are constantly virtue signaling, claiming some illusionary moral superiority, only later to be found out have done seriously questionable acts directly opposite of what they were virtual signaling for.In the mid-2010s, many users on internet forums and social media gave 'virtue-signalling' a pejorative sense when they denounced such empty acts of public commitment to unexceptionable good causes such as changing Facebook profile pictures to support a cause, participating in the Ice Bucket Challenge, offering thoughts and prayers after a tragedy, celebrity speeches during award shows, and politicians pandering to constituents on ideological issues.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling#Pejorative_usage
I'm hoping to hear your thoughts about how we as a society are punishing people for "sins" of the past, namely, having used gay slurs. I wonder how the LGBTQ community feels about what is happening in their name. Hearing that Kevin Hart was forced to step down from hosting the Oscars makes me wonder what the point of this exercise is. Should people really be losing jobs? Gigs?
Recently, a Virginia high school teacher was fired because he refused to use a gender pronoun. He wanted to reach some compromise and call the student by her new name, just not use a pronoun. Is that really grounds for firing?
A very liberal Canadian feminist, Meghan Murphy, had her Twitter account closed down because she said "men aren't women". This his hate speech nowadays?
I don't know that I'd be comfortable having these negative, even damaging things happen in my name. If someone said a slur many years ago, should we be punishing them now? Even when they don't stand by what they said anymore?
Should we follow Canada and compel speech?
Before anyone make assumptions, I am supportive of the gay community and have been pro-gay marriage for many years now. I would recognize a trans person's preferred name and pronoun and regard them as the gender they identify with, however, I will never us plurals, nor will I use "ze".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts...announced-oscars-host/?utm_term=.98ecf8c06dac
https://www.richmond.com/news/virgi...cle_65be1826-50b2-5d38-be58-47d9b9480917.html
https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/25/twitter-permanently-bans-feminist-writing-men-arent-women/
There are many in the public eye which are constantly virtue signaling, claiming some illusionary moral superiority, only later to be found out have done seriously questionable acts directly opposite of what they were virtual signaling for.
Virtue signaling and other inane platitudes - The Boston Globe
https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2015/12/24/virtue-signaling-and.../story.html
Dec 24, 2015 - Since the only thing people seem to like more than virtue signaling is judging other people, this term has caught on like, well, the ice bucket ...
The awful rise of 'virtue signalling' | The Spectator
https://www.spectator.co.uk › Features
Apr 18, 2015 - Mishal was 'virtue signalling' indirectly — indicating that she has the ... When she latergoes to a dinner party attended by other members of the ...Missing: caught | Must include: caught
I invented 'virtue signalling'. Now it's taking over the ... - The Spectator
https://www.spectator.co.uk › Features
Oct 10, 2015 - Two days later, Helen Lewis used it in the New Statesman, saying 'a lot of what happens on Facebook, as with Twitter, is “virtue signalling” ...Missing: caught | Must include: caught
'Virtue signalling' a poor and modern relation of political correctness
https://www.timeslive.co.za/.../2018-01-31-virtue-signalling-a-poor-and-modern-relati...
Jan 31, 2018 - Because unlike the latter‚ these days you can signal your virtue by ... was surely 'captured' to use our voguish term of art for corruption pedlars.
Frankly, with all the sexual harassment reported in entertainment media and news media, anytime any of these people pull their moral superiority shtick, I just laugh at them and discount everything they've just said. This, as well as the excessive PC BS, simply just need to go never to return, never to be seen or heard again.
Thanks for the education. Much of what you’ve posted and your own POV makes perfect sense to me too. Just a couple of references that are off the mark though. The ice bucket challenge was a legitimate money maker for a worthy cause (ALS research) that raised $115M.
The ‘Ice Bucket Challenge’ Helped Scientists Discover a New Gene Tied to A.L.S.https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/...ientists-discover-a-new-gene-tied-to-als.html
Additionally, many times well wishes, condolences, and supportive words are real and sincere regardless of accompanying actions. Having said that, I completely concur with your disdain of the overtaking mass of empty platitudes.
The teacher in the article appeared to have a personal axe to grind. He created an unnecessary and entirely avoidable uncomfortable situation for the student. He took a stand in the face of the school board's orders to just use the male gender pronoun to refer to the student, and as is often the case when one takes a stand like that, one also risks losing one's job. The teacher clearly felt that the pronoun issue was important enough to him to walk out. That is, of course, entirely his prerogative.
I'm hoping to hear your thoughts about how we as a society are punishing people for "sins" of the past, namely, having used gay slurs. I wonder how the LGBTQ community feels about what is happening in their name. Hearing that Kevin Hart was forced to step down from hosting the Oscars makes me wonder what the point of this exercise is. Should people really be losing jobs? Gigs?
Recently, a Virginia high school teacher was fired because he refused to use a gender pronoun. He wanted to reach some compromise and call the student by her new name, just not use a pronoun. Is that really grounds for firing?
A very liberal Canadian feminist, Meghan Murphy, had her Twitter account closed down because she said "men aren't women". This his hate speech nowadays?
I don't know that I'd be comfortable having these negative, even damaging things happen in my name. If someone said a slur many years ago, should we be punishing them now? Even when they don't stand by what they said anymore?
Should we follow Canada and compel speech?
Before anyone make assumptions, I am supportive of the gay community and have been pro-gay marriage for many years now. I would recognize a trans person's preferred name and pronoun and regard them as the gender they identify with, however, I will never us plurals, nor will I use "ze".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts...announced-oscars-host/?utm_term=.98ecf8c06dac
https://www.richmond.com/news/virgi...cle_65be1826-50b2-5d38-be58-47d9b9480917.html
https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/25/twitter-permanently-bans-feminist-writing-men-arent-women/
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