Let's Talk about Christopher Columbus

[Jack Hays]

I am very familiar. You are not. You made an unsupported claim and got called on it

No. Off the top of my head I can refer you to the work of R.R. Palmer, Claude Manceron or Simon Schama.

 

[vegas giants]

No. Off the top of my head I can refer you to the work of R.R. Palmer, Claude Manceron or Simon Schama.

Prove they said anything like that.

 

[Bum]

Let's Talk about Christopher Columbus

Meh.....I never met the guy.

 

[FastPace]

Prove they said anything like that.

Even if they did it wouldn't make it true. It may evidence a bias in one or more historians if they reach to too great of lengths to connect x person to y thing. The reader needs to use their own brain power to figure out for themselves how persuasive or reasonable they find the historians connected dots or conclusions on one or more things.

Plus, a reader can agree with an author (historian, essayist or whatever) on five or twenty things but disagree with him or her on one or two things.

 

[Jack Hays]

Prove they said anything like that.

Palmer's major work was The Age of the Democratic Revolution, taking as its theme the ideological cross fertilization between the US and Europe. The second volume of Manceron's five volume history of the French Revolution is entitled The Wind from America.

 

[vegas giants]

Palmer's major work was The Age of the Democratic Revolution, taking as its theme the ideological cross fertilization between the US and Europe. The second volume of Manceron's five volume history of the French Revolution is entitled The Wind from America.

I refer you to Howard Zinn's "A Peoples History of the United States" or perhaps the work of Eisenbacher

 

[Jack Hays]

I refer you to Howard Zinn's "A Peoples History of the United States" or perhaps the work of Eisenbacher

Zinn's work is interesting but not really germane to this discussion. I infer the works I named are unfamiliar to you.

 

[Tigerace117]

I refer you to Howard Zinn's "A Peoples History of the United States" or perhaps the work of Eisenbacher

Howard Zinn wouldn't know the truth if it whacked him upside the head.

 

[Jack Hays]

Howard Zinn wouldn't know the truth if it whacked him upside the head.

It's true he's more a polemicist than a historian, but his work offers a perspective that can be valuable.

 

[Tigerace117]

It's true he's more a polemicist than a historian, but his work offers a perspective that can be valuable.

A perspective based on nothing but a desperate attempt to squish American history into ideological boxes is not a good thing.

 

[vegas giants]

Zinn's work is interesting but not really germane to this discussion. I infer the works I named are unfamiliar to you.

Zinn's work is completely germane

 

[Jack Hays]

Zinn's work is completely germane

Read more. Good luck.

 

[Jack Hays]

A perspective based on nothing but a desperate attempt to squish American history into ideological boxes is not a good thing.

I try to be generous.

 

[vegas giants]

Read more. Good luck.

You too. Read up

 

[TaterTots]

He discovered parts of Americas, but never stepped foot on N.A. yet we have a holiday for him. It's wild to think about. I agree that we shouldn't have a holiday named after him, especially since he took part of slaving the natives. Just nasty all around.

 

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A liberal, pro-Democrat, obviously from the hood (whom academic liberals ignorantly think have the exact same attitudes and beliefs as them) weighs in on the Christopher Columbus debate.



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:lol: What's more funny is that she has a point.

 

[Moot]

Science shows that Native Americans are not indigenous to what is now the USA.

"Prevailing ideas point to all Native Americans descending from ancient Siberians who moved across the*Beringia land bridge*between Asia and North America between 26,000 and 18,000 years ago. As time wore on, the thinking goes, these people spread southward and gave rise to the Native American populations encountered by European settlers centuries ago."
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...-question-who-were-first-americans-180951469/

Makes me wonder how many who believe Columbus doesn't deserve a holiday, took the paid holiday anyway. Call in Native American day or indigenous people day if it makes you feel better.

The point is they discovered America first. In fact, they may have been here for over 15,000 years before Columbus was even born...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-first-americans/​

After Colombus arrived in the Americas he proceeded to murder, torture, mutilate, enslave and/or wipe out the indigenous population...aka...genocide. That is not someone that deserves a national holiday.

"... A testimony of the time accuses Columbus of brutality against the natives and forced labor, and direct reports by members of his journey tell of murder, rape and enslavement in their own words. Las Casas, son of the merchant Pedro de las Casas who accompanied Columbus on his second voyage, described Columbus's treatment of the natives in his History of the Indies.[9]..."

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Christopher-Columbus/The-first-voyage

https://www.amazon.com/Tears-INDIANS-Historical-Massacres-Slaughters-ebook/dp/B019IQ6QT0​

Not to mention, Columbus he never set foot on Florida/US soil.

 

[Moot]

A liberal, pro-Democrat, obviously from the hood (whom academic liberals ignorantly think have the exact same attitudes and beliefs as them) weighs in on the Christopher Columbus debate.



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:lol: What's more funny is that she has a point.

The holiday will still exist...but with a new name.

Indigenous People's Day.

 

[Mr Person]

Well you guys are been trying to destroy any reference to him to include criminal activity. What stuff are you going to tear up next?

Trying to destroy any reference to him to include criminal activity?

What?

 

[maxparrish]

The holiday will still exist...but with a new name.

Indigenous People's Day.

Oh great, a culture known for "murder, torture, mutilate, enslave and/or wipe out the indigenous population".

There are few heroes in history, only those that on occasion transcend the evil of their time in history.

 

[Mr Person]

Even the Indians came from somewhere else.

Indeed. You, too, came from Africa.

 

[apdst]

Indeed. You, too, came from Africa.

And Asia, since my mother is an Indian.

 

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The holiday will still exist...but with a new name.

Indigenous People's Day.

With Cardi B's--or whatever her name is--big booty too?

Just imagine, without Christopher Columbus, America would be without the big booties like Cardi B has. Maybe America is indebted in gratitude to Christopher Columbus for something? Look at me... I'm a Class A historian. See how I connected those dots?

 

[HK.227]

I absolutely believe that. Certainly someone, sometime, would have made the voyage, but they didn't and he did.

Columbus Egg pretty much.

 

[holbritter]

Well you guys are been trying to destroy any reference to him to include
criminal activity. What stuff are you going to tear up next?

Christmas is coming up, be patient.