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1. As a member of DP, the thanking was done for you.Well, considering I’m not in Israel, I don’t feel a need to thank their military.
I will thank the US military for their service though. Regardless if I support the decisions made by government as to what our military engages in.
Remember your post the next time they go fight for our rights and freedom. You do know they do that everyday, as a good deterrent is better than a bad armed conflict. Their very presence protects you every day. Just like the police, firefighters and other first responders.what their service actually entailed. I won't do it, if I don't know that I approve of what they were ordered to do, that it merits more honor than say teaching or caregiving, or nursing or cleaning bodies in the mortuary. For that matter I don't know if they like that attention. So often it's the first and rather perfunctory words people say as a habit or in abstract. It comes off awkward, insincere and superficial because its abundantly clear we don't know what the hell they did yet.
But we do know they are just like the rest of us humans and they chose to join the military for self- interested reasons. The cliched 'I did it for my country' is at best a half truth. They each got a monthly check, and we can be sure they cashed it. And then there is all of this Here are some benefits. That represents a financial bonanza, if prudently exploited.
I normally do not thank people for doing what I do not want done. If they are part of an active mission, and I don't support the mission, I need to ask questions about their specific role. If they were shooting guns I don't want shot, and people I don't want killed, or maimed. I won't be thanking them. If they are taking care of the wounded, feeding our soldiers etc, I probably will. During peacetime, they are probably not doing harm, but they are being well compensated for practicing their skillset out of harm's way. I tend not to thank secretaries, cooks, janitors, clerks etc for doing those kinds of tasks.
DP proves my real objection to the whole idea, in cultural microcosm right here. https://debatepolitics.com/award-system/list DP has a list of badges designed of course to symbolize our collective recognition of 'military service' without any real thought behind what it actually represents. Among them is this one :
Israeli Defense Forces
This member has served in the Israeli Defense Forces - thank you for your service!
Well I am absolutely not interested in 'thanking the Israeli Defense Force Members for their service' these days, unless I know exactly what the hell they did.
and that is equally true of everyone else who warrants one of these military badges. Too many skeletons in miltary closets. Our own military has been given plenty of orders, I would rather they had never obeyed.
They are paid staff of our government. I want them to be well compensated just as I do any other staff. But before I thank them, I want to know what they did and that what they did deserves that gratitude. I don't want them treated 'special' simply because they put that uniform on.Remember your post the next time they go fight for our rights and freedom. You do know they do that everyday, as a good deterrent is better than a bad armed conflict. Their very presence protects you every day. Just like the police, firefighters and other first responders.
Putting that uniform on means that any time that person could be put into very dangerous situations, separated from their family and friends for long amounts of time.They are paid staff of our government. I want them to be well compensated just as I do any other staff. But before I thank them, I want to know what they did and that what they did deserves that gratitude. I don't want them treated 'special' simply because they put that uniform on.
So they are only doing the right thing if you decide that it's so? Well that attitude leaves this open to 330 million varied opinions. The job is follow orders, they take an oath and unless there is something that violates the US Military Code of Conduct they are bound by their oath.They are paid staff of our government. I want them to be well compensated just as I do any other staff. But before I thank them, I want to know what they did and that what they did deserves that gratitude. I don't want them treated 'special' simply because they put that uniform on.
That's not why everyone says it. IMO it's not worship or brainwashing, but a thank you to someone (you included) for risking yourself in service and/or upending you and your family's lives.As a veteran, I'm all for just being left alone when I'm walking on the street.
Being "thanked for my service" our of nowhere says more to me about nationalistic brainwashing and the reflexive need to worship the military whether or not the wars we fought in, or the loads of people we have killed - many innocent - were justified.
We definitely want these employees to 'put the uniform on' and to be willing to be separated during their tour of duty. They cash those checks and they receive those benefits because the position comes with those well spelled out inconveniences, sacrifices and risks. Privately paid mercenaries have their lives upended, basically the same thing for a different employer for different wages and benefits and they don't do much choosing either.Putting that uniform on means that any time that person could be put into very dangerous situations, separated from their family and friends for long amounts of time.
The kicker, and reason it's "special", is because it's at the request of the people and the government of the United States. They aren't picking and choosing, they aren't deciding that now isn't the right time. At any point, if the people of the US feel as though US military force is needed, then those people in uniform have their lives upended.
To get my gratitude, they sure as hell better be doing what I think they should be doing. To be paid and receive those benefits, they have to do their job.So they are only doing the right thing if you decide that it's so? Well that attitude leaves this open to 330 million varied opinions. The job is follow orders, they take an oath and unless there is something that violates the US Military Code of Conduct they are bound by their oath.
The US Military Code of Conduct is a set of guidelines that outline the expected behavior of service members during combat or captivity. It emphasizes resistance, honor, and loyalty to the United States. The code consists of six articles, each detailing specific obligations and principles for service members.
Con-ditional, eh?what their service actually entailed. I won't do it, if I don't know that I approve of what they were ordered to do, that it merits more honor than say teaching or caregiving, or nursing or cleaning bodies in the mortuary. For that matter I don't know if they like that attention. So often it's the first and rather perfunctory words people say as a habit or in abstract. It comes off awkward, insincere and superficial because its abundantly clear we don't know what the hell they did yet.
But we do know they are just like the rest of us humans and they chose to join the military for self- interested reasons. The cliched 'I did it for my country' is at best a half truth. They each got a monthly check, and we can be sure they cashed it. And then there is all of this Here are some benefits. That represents a financial bonanza, if prudently exploited.
I normally do not thank people for doing what I do not want done. If they are part of an active mission, and I don't support the mission, I need to ask questions about their specific role. If they were shooting guns I don't want shot, and people I don't want killed, or maimed. I won't be thanking them. If they are taking care of the wounded, feeding our soldiers etc, I probably will. During peacetime, they are probably not doing harm, but they are being well compensated for practicing their skillset out of harm's way. I tend not to thank secretaries, cooks, janitors, clerks etc for doing those kinds of tasks.
DP proves my real objection to the whole idea, in cultural microcosm right here. https://debatepolitics.com/award-system/list DP has a list of badges designed of course to symbolize our collective recognition of 'military service' without any real thought behind what it actually represents. Among them is this one :
Israeli Defense Forces
This member has served in the Israeli Defense Forces - thank you for your service!
Well I am absolutely not interested in 'thanking the Israeli Defense Force Members for their service' these days, unless I know exactly what the hell they did.
and that is equally true of everyone else who warrants one of these military badges. Too many skeletons in miltary closets. Our own military has been given plenty of orders, I would rather they had never obeyed.
Usually gratitude is conditional on what someone does. You don't thank people for embarrassing you, hurting you, stealing from you etc. You thank them for doing 'good' things.Con-ditional, eh?
I think if someone wants to thank someone who served in the military, that’s fine. If one doesn’t, that’s fine also. I don’t see this as e big deal, either way. Why this would warrant a thread is beyond me.what their service actually entailed. I won't do it, if I don't know that I approve of what they were ordered to do, that it merits more honor than say teaching or caregiving, or nursing or cleaning bodies in the mortuary. For that matter I don't know if they like that attention. So often it's the first and rather perfunctory words people say as a habit or in abstract. It comes off awkward, insincere and superficial because its abundantly clear we don't know what the hell they did yet.
But we do know they are just like the rest of us humans and they chose to join the military for self- interested reasons. The cliched 'I did it for my country' is at best a half truth. They each got a monthly check, and we can be sure they cashed it. And then there is all of this Here are some benefits. That represents a financial bonanza, if prudently exploited.
I normally do not thank people for doing what I do not want done. If they are part of an active mission, and I don't support the mission, I need to ask questions about their specific role. If they were shooting guns I don't want shot, and people I don't want killed, or maimed. I won't be thanking them. If they are taking care of the wounded, feeding our soldiers etc, I probably will. During peacetime, they are probably not doing harm, but they are being well compensated for practicing their skillset out of harm's way. I tend not to thank secretaries, cooks, janitors, clerks etc for doing those kinds of tasks.
DP proves my real objection to the whole idea, in cultural microcosm right here. https://debatepolitics.com/award-system/list DP has a list of badges designed of course to symbolize our collective recognition of 'military service' without any real thought behind what it actually represents. Among them is this one :
Israeli Defense Forces
This member has served in the Israeli Defense Forces - thank you for your service!
Well I am absolutely not interested in 'thanking the Israeli Defense Force Members for their service' these days, unless I know exactly what the hell they did.
and that is equally true of everyone else who warrants one of these military badges. Too many skeletons in miltary closets. Our own military has been given plenty of orders, I would rather they had never obeyed.
Those benefits and pay are not equal to what the job entails and it's nothing like those merc groups.We definitely want these employees to 'put the uniform on' and to be willing to be separated during their tour of duty. They cash those checks and they receive those benefits because the position comes with those well spelled out inconveniences, sacrifices and risks. Privately paid mercenaries have their lives upended, basically the same thing for a different employer for different wages and benefits and they don't do much choosing either.
They vote representatives, those representatives decide where we go. People that serve make up like 1% of the population. The other 99% are the ones that are determining when and where they are used.The 'people of the US' are not consulted about when US force is needed or not. There is no national referendum held before military operations are ordered.
You're under zero obligation to thank anyone for their service. I don't agree with your reasoning, but it is still a free country.Again I thank people for what I want them to do. Having put on the uniform and signing the papers, just isn't enough. I want to know what they did was not something I wish had not happened.
I won't do it, if I don't know that I approve of what they were ordered to do
The 'people of the US' are not consulted about when US force is needed or not.
If you dont want to thank veterans, dont. Guess what? We served to give you that right.
Why this would warrant a thread is beyond me.
Putting that uniform on means that any time that person could be put into very dangerous situations, separated from their family and friends for long amounts of time.
The kicker, and reason it's "special", is because it's at the request of the people and the government of the United States. They aren't picking and choosing, they aren't deciding that now isn't the right time. At any point, if the people of the US feel as though US military force is needed, then those people in uniform have their lives upended.
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