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Let's consolidate invaild pro-gun arguments

Antiwar said:
There are two videos by Vice (or Vox?) that do a decent job of showing the attitudes of some gun owners in Canada and America.

In Canada they said they don't even think of guns as being for self-defense.
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I have guns, we have guns in my house. I am not anti gun. I am FOR controlling who has guns and creating a data base so that we know who has guns and how many guns they have.

I don't think that crazy people should have guns. I don't think that ex-felons should have guns.
 
Rudy said:
I have guns, we have guns in my house. I am not anti gun. I am FOR controlling who has guns and creating a data base so that we know who has guns and how many guns they have.

I don't think that crazy people should have guns. I don't think that ex-felons should have guns.
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Keeping track of guns makes sense. We could have the guns version of departments of motor vehicles. You bring your guns in periodically and physically show that you still have them in your possession. Stolen guns are reported. If your gun is used in a crime, you have some serious explaining to do.
 
Antiwar said:
Keeping track of guns makes sense. We could have the guns version of departments of motor vehicles. You bring your guns in periodically and physically show that you still have them in your possession. Stolen guns are reported. If your gun is used in a crime, you have some serious explaining to do.
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Nah, that is a pain. Just keep an accurate registry of guns when people purchase or sell them or if they are stolen.
 
Rudy said:
I have guns, we have guns in my house. I am not anti gun. I am FOR controlling who has guns and creating a data base so that we know who has guns and how many guns they have.
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In this registration scheme, what percentage of criminals do you believe will register their guns?
 
Rudy said:
Nah, that is a pain. Just keep an accurate registry of guns when people purchase or sell them or if they are stolen.
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Whatever works.

One of the problems with guns is that they keep making more guns and more deadly guns. We need alternatives.
 
aociswundumho said:
In this registration scheme, what percentage of criminals do you believe will register their guns?
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In the short term? Not a lot. In the long term as people who buy the guns have to register them and then report them if they sell them or they are stolen control over the product (the guns) will have an effect on how many get into the hands of criminals. Plus, if we don't allow people with a rap sheet or mental problems from buying guns in the first place that will also slow the amount of guns getting into the hands of people who would misuse them.

Lets say that a person is constantly having his legally purchased guns "stolen" the system can red flag him and not let him purchase guns in the future.
 
aociswundumho said:
In this registration scheme, what percentage of criminals do you believe will register their guns?
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In a non-registration system, what percentage of "criminals" do you believe will be able to easily get and get rid of guns?
 
Antiwar said:
What difference does it make in the conversation about weapons? Nuclear weapons are the ultimate arm/bomb/explosive/gun/weapon/WMD. They are aimed, they fly through the air, and they destroy whatever they impact. They are an existential threat. Instead of saying "Hey guys, this is ****ing stupid beyond all belief," the US keeps and keeps "investing" in nuclear weapons. Therefore, other countries do the same.

It directly parallels guns. You know why so many people believe they need a gun? Because they know the America is awash in guns. "Don't bring a knife to a gunfight."
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Then don't own them. But that isn't good enough for ya is it. So you collect all the firearms from the criminals then get back to us, if you can. Good luck..
 
What percentage of guns are made illegally?
 
Casper said:
Then don't own them. But that isn't good enough for ya is it. So you collect all the firearms from the criminals then get back to us, if you can. Good luck..
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No, that's not goid enough because everyone shouldn't have to need guns to protect themselves.

It only takes a split second for a "law-abiding gun owner" to become a "criminal," as we frequently see.
 
MikePrime said:
"If the 1st amendment applies to Radio, TV, and the Internet, and the 4th amendment covers electronic wiretapping and video surveillance, how can the 2nd amendment only apply to 18th century firearms technology?"
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Guns. It's all about the evil gun, so somehow it doesn't matter to the grabbers.
 
Antiwar said:
No, that's not goid enough because everyone shouldn't have to need guns to protect themselves.

It only takes a split second for a "law-abiding gun owner" to become a "criminal," as we frequently see.
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Start with the criminals ...
 
Rudy said:
In the short term? Not a lot.
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Well, the registry is aimed at law-abiding gun owners, and armed criminals will be unaffected.

Are you familiar with the Canadian Firearms Registry? If yes, do you believe it was successful?

In the long term as people who buy the guns have to register them and then report them if they sell them or they are stolen control over the product (the guns) will have an effect on how many get into the hands of criminals.
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Do you agree that serial numbers on firearms can be removed rather easily?
 
Antiwar said:
Yes. All rights come with responsibilities. The more potential danger the right has, the more responsibility there is. The more deadly the gun, the more restrictions on that gun. If the 2A only applied to muskets, we probably wouldn't need many gun control measures.
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I would retort with, did the 1st Amendment apply to the Internet and other modern, technology advancements?

How is a gun "more deadly?"
 
Antiwar said:
In a non-registration system, what percentage of "criminals" do you believe will be able to easily get and get rid of guns?
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Whether or not there is a registration scheme, there will still be a black market for guns.
 
Casper said:
Still wrong, that is the same as calling Nazis Socialist Left-wingers, based on the word Socialist in their title, they were niether.
They are Bombs, did you know large amounts of explosive material is used to activate the device itself, no I doubt that you do. They are not Arms, period.
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And in a particular sequence if I recall.
 
aociswundumho said:
Well, the registry is aimed at law-abiding gun owners, and armed criminals will be unaffected.

Are you familiar with the Canadian Firearms Registry? If yes, do you believe it was successful?



Do you agree that serial numbers on firearms can be removed rather easily?
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A.) I don't agree.
B.) I am not.
C.) Then they would be an illegal weapon and laws are very tough against people who are caught with them.
 
aociswundumho said:
Whether or not there is a registration scheme, there will still be a black market for guns.
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Of course. So maybe we should stop making them and start melting them down? A world without guns- the horror. Or a world with guns and with very little violence. "USA- delivering guns to the world."
 
zsu2357 said:
The old nuclear weapon gambit. You forgot to mention how it's everyone's right to own one as per the Second Amendment.;)
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Why not?
 
"Invaild"?! I need better glasses.
 
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