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If abortion is murder then why aren't the mothers who get them locked up in prison for either murder or being accessories to murder? Or are anti-choicers that think that it is murder unable to bring their belief to its "logical" conclusion?
 
1069 said:
One knows, once one has children, how far one's resources will go.
You'll see.
Whether you have one, two, three, four, or more children, there will come a point that you will realize, "I cannot possibly bring another child into this without compromising the quality of life of all these other people I am responsible for."
At that point, you will terminate any future pregnancy before it reaches fruition, unless and until such time as your situation changes and you find yourself once again with additional resources.
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Actually if I ever reached a point were bringing another child into this world would cause me and my other progeny Hardship I would choose to do the right things to make sure my wife does not get pregnant again.

I would not wait until she was pregnant to go "uh oh" then kill the thing for convienence.


One's children come first.
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Yes by killing the new ones for convienence, I see... :roll:


I would not expect a nonparent to comprehend this.
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What understand killing is wrong? I already understand that. Apparently you do not and view Abortion as a form of birth control....
 
Khayembii Communique said:
If abortion is murder then why aren't the mothers who get them locked up in prison for either murder or being accessories to murder? Or are anti-choicers that think that it is murder unable to bring their belief to its "logical" conclusion?
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Punishing the mothers isn't an effective way of reducing abortion, is why.

We deal with prostitution by going after the pimps; the prostitute might get a token fine.

We deal with illegal immigration by punishing the businesses that higher them; the illegal immigrant deports themselves, and gets a token jail sentence and deportation if arrested.

Same with abortion. We go after the abortion doctors and clinics, while the individual mother may get a token fine or community service.
 
Jerry said:
Punishing the mothers isn't an effective way of reducing abortion, is why.

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Same with abortion. We go after the abortion doctors and clinics, while the individual mother may get a token fine or community service.
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Because women who have abortions are really just hapless, hormonal dupes who accidentally ended up with their feet in the wrong stirrups.
The evil doctors are really the ones at fault. Got it.

We deal with prostitution by going after the pimps; the prostitute might get a token fine.

We deal with illegal immigration by punishing the businesses that higher them; the illegal immigrant deports themselves, and gets a token jail sentence and deportation if arrested.
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Because child murder is about in par with having sex for money or working in this country without a proper visa, as far as seriousness goes.
Got it.
 
I say 'shouldn't be puished' and you hear "not punishable".
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So being an accomplice to murder shouldn't be a punishable offense? Either it is punishable in all cases or it is not punishable in any case.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
So being an accomplice to murder shouldn't be a punishable offense? Either it is punishable in all cases or it is not punishable in any case.
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It's not an all or nothing deal.

The law and especially the courts can and frequently do negotiate lighter sentences, plea bargains, codify exceptions to enforcement, etc. Even individual judges and police officers have latitude to simply not press charges or impose optional sentences as they see fit.

The law is more relativistic then you give it credit for.
 
As you tiptoe around the issue.

Questions:
1. Should being an accomplice to murder be a punishable offense?
2. Is abortion murder?
 
Khayembii Communique said:
As you tiptoe around the issue.
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It's hard to deal with a pro-lifer when you can't paint them as a woman-hater :cool:

Khayembii Communique said:
1. Should being an accomplice to murder be a punishable offense?
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In general, sure. This in no way mandates any given sentence, though, and the scope of enforcement is fact dependant.

Khayembii Communique said:
2. Is abortion murder?
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Not universally, no.

When the abortion is performed to save the mother's life or when the pregnancy threatens severe damage, abortion is Justifiable Homicide, not murder.

When a woman seeks an abortion because she is under duress, coercion, or in fear for the life or safety of others, these are valid mitigating circumstances which are frequently taken into consideration with current cases.

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I would propose a program which treats the typical abortion seeker as a victim. While she may receive a token penance, emphasis will be placed on improving her economic situation through education and similar.

Meanwhile, the state comes down like a ton of bricks on the persons who performed her abortion. They will be charged with a class 5 felony and loss of license to practice medicine for life.
 
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I would propose a program which treats the typical abortion seeker as a victim.
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Could you please explain to me how the hell someone that conspires to commit murder (according to you) is a victim?:screwy

Meanwhile, the state comes down like a ton of bricks on the persons who performed her abortion. They will be charged with a class 5 felony and loss of license to practice medicine for life.
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What if the mother did it?
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Could you please explain to me how the hell someone that conspires to commit murder (according to you) is a victim?:screwy
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I already did:
Jerry said:
When the abortion is performed to save the mother's life or when the pregnancy threatens severe damage, abortion is Justifiable Homicide, not murder.

When a woman seeks an abortion because she is under duress, coercion, or in fear for the life or safety of others, these are valid mitigating circumstances which are frequently taken into consideration with current cases.
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Khayembii Communique said:
What if the mother did it?
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Like with a wire hanger?
That's a form of self abuse not far removed from cutting, and demonstrates a deeper psychological problem in addition to the sociological and economic reasons why she wanted the abortion in the first place.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
If abortion is murder then why aren't the mothers who get them locked up in prison for either murder or being accessories to murder? Or are anti-choicers that think that it is murder unable to bring their belief to its "logical" conclusion?
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Why are you calling a woman who kills her child a "mother"?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Why are you calling a woman who kills her child a "mother"?
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More to the point, why are you calling a woman who has never given birth a "mother"?
The only way a woman having an abortion is a "mother" is if she's given birth to or adopted children prior to having the abortion (and even if she has, that's really not relevant to the issue at hand; we don't call patients going in for triple bypass surgery "fathers". They're referred to as "patients").
Otherwise, she's just a pregnant woman, about to be a nonpregnant woman.
 
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1069 said:
More to the point, why are you calling a woman who has never given birth a "mother"?


The only way a woman having an abortion is a "mother" is if she's given birth to or adopted children prior to having the abortion.
Otherwise, she's just a pregnant woman, about to be a nonpregnant woman.
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Such a sad pathetic existence.


Really now..... lets play semantics to avoid calling killing life, KILLING LIFE....
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Such a sad pathetic existence.


Really now..... lets play semantics to avoid calling killing life, KILLING LIFE....
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If it's "life", then removing it from one's twat if one doesn't want it there oughtn't to kill it.
It's free to toddle along on its merry way and find a nice snail shell to live in or something.
What? It can't? Oh well, guess it wasn't "life", then.
 
1069 said:
If it's "life", then removing it from one's twat if one doesn't want it there oughtn't to kill it.
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YOu do know that babies are not grown in "the twat"?

It's free to toddle along on its merry way and find a nice snail shell to live in or something.
What? It can't? Oh well, guess it wasn't "life", then.
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Wow, emotion based argument, you win. I can't do non scientific logic as you can make it up as you go along. :lol:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Does that make you able to sleep better at night? :roll:


Seriously, You can do better than that. :lol:
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I honestly do have a problem with late term abortion. At the zygot stage .....it is nothing more than a cell
 
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