Less educated voters tend to go for Trump. Why is that?

[cabse5]

I find that your post is an excellent example of why none of your ideas or explanations or theories are ever valid...because you just make stuff up to suit yourself because it's easier than trying to understand the true and often complex ideas and issues "as they exist in reality."

And your last sentence, now in orange, is absolutely ludicrous and has been disproven many times (masks, kids getting CV19, hospital resources, women's right to choose are recent examples). You know...all those times you've been proven wrong...or just plain shown that you dont even understand the issue...like how you've never been able to explain "WHY" they want to preserve hospital resources if it's not to save patients. IMO, you really dont even understand the question.

What you do validate very well however, is the title of this OP. Thanks.

Meh. All you've proven is: If a theory doesn't agree with your philosophy, it isn't valid.

 

[calamity]

Meh. All you've proven is: If a theory doesn't agree with your philosophy, it isn't valid.

Nah, she proved a hell of a lot more than that. ...lol

 

[Lursa]

Meh. All you've proven is: If a theory doesn't agree with your philosophy, it isn't valid.

No, I've provided links...including an entire list recently about hospitals being overwhelmed...and you still dont understand that issue.

Please, explain: why do they want to preserve hospital resources, spread them out over time, if not to save lives? What other reason do you believe they have? You dont even seem to realize, after it's been spelled out for you, that 'resources' includes staff and space and beds. So...what IS the REAL purpose of it? Let's see your reason.

Do I need to 'provide sources' that Drs and nurses and orderlies and space and beds are included in 'hospital resources' and show that it's not just my personal philosophy? Do I have to 'provide sources' that show they still run out of PPE and that they cannot be manufactured and distributed instantaneously? Or is that my personal philosophy too?

I already provided sources that showed many states are running out of 'hospital resources' and ALL that includes...so, gee, it's not just my 'philosophy.' it was a whole long list. And current. Just a few pages back.

"Flattening the curve" was not a philosophy, it was a medical strategy to save lives. And I've seen 5th graders explain it accurately on TV. You still dont get it.

 

[cabse5]

No, I've provided links...including an entire list recently about hospitals being overwhelmed...and you still dont understand that issue.

Please, explain: why do they want to preserve hospital resources, spread them out over time, if not to save lives? What other reason do you believe they have? You dont even seem to realize, after it's been spelled out for you, that 'resources' includes staff and space and beds. So...what IS the REAL purpose of it? Let's see your reason.

Do I need to 'provide sources' that Drs and nurses and orderlies and space and beds are included in 'hospital resources' and show that it's not just my personal philosophy? Do I have to 'provide sources' that show they still run out of PPE and that they cannot be manufactured and distributed instantaneously? Or is that my personal philosophy too?

I already provided sources that showed many states are running out of 'hospital resources' and ALL that includes...so, gee, it's not just my 'philosophy.' it was a whole long list. And current. Just a few pages back.

"Flattening the curve" was not a philosophy, it was a medical strategy to save lives. And I've seen 5th graders explain it accurately on TV. You still dont get it.

Concentrating on not overwhelming hospitals spreads the virus and kills. There is no evidence that hospitals have been or ever will be overwhelmed from this pandemic. It is a bogeyman. It is bad science.

 

[calamity]

Concentrating on not overwhelming hospitals spreads the virus and kills. There is no evidence that hospitals have been or ever will be overwhelmed from this pandemic. It is a bogeyman. It is bad science.

lol...there is a lot of evidence saying the exact opposite of the incredibly uneducated post above.

Coronavirus overwhelming Michigan hospitals, leaders warn; ‘the system can capsize’

Hospital CEOs from around Michigan are sounding the alarm on exponential growth in COVID-19 cases and the strain it's putting on hospital resources.

www.mlive.com

Closed storefronts, overwhelmed hospitals and mobile morgues: El Paso residents hit hard by coronavirus | CNN

The glowing lights of arcade machines flash on and off across a silent room. A small carousel stands idly by, its colorful horses frozen in time.

www.cnn.com

Hospitals Overwhelmed as COVID-19 Infections Skyrocket - Videos from The Weather Channel

Some cities and states have resorted to desperate measures as an influx of COVID-19 patients threatens to push hospitals to their breaking point. - Videos from The Weather Channel | weather.com

weather.com

 

[Lursa]

Concentrating on not overwhelming hospitals spreads the virus and kills. There is no evidence that hospitals have been or ever will be overwhelmed from this pandemic. It is a bogeyman. It is bad science.

All proven false already. I provided links for 8 different states and their hospitals. Those crises continue today, expanding to other areas. You also didnt answer the question...if you believe your first sentence does...you are wrong. And since your definition of 'science' is flexible by your own admission and you arent a Dr, your post overall is imaginary blind ignorance.

Please, explain: why do they want to preserve hospital resources, spread them out over time, if not to save lives? What other reason do you believe they have? You dont even seem to realize, after it's been spelled out for you, that 'resources' includes staff and space and beds. So...what IS the REAL purpose of it? Let's see your reason.​

 

[W_Heisenberg]

I think the evidence gathered over the past few days makes it very clear:

Less-educated voters tend to go for Trump because they are STUPID.

 

[Lursa]

lol...there is a lot of evidence saying the exact opposite of the incredibly uneducated post above.

Coronavirus overwhelming Michigan hospitals, leaders warn; ‘the system can capsize’

Hospital CEOs from around Michigan are sounding the alarm on exponential growth in COVID-19 cases and the strain it's putting on hospital resources.

www.mlive.com

Closed storefronts, overwhelmed hospitals and mobile morgues: El Paso residents hit hard by coronavirus | CNN

The glowing lights of arcade machines flash on and off across a silent room. A small carousel stands idly by, its colorful horses frozen in time.

www.cnn.com

Hospitals Overwhelmed as COVID-19 Infections Skyrocket - Videos from The Weather Channel

Some cities and states have resorted to desperate measures as an influx of COVID-19 patients threatens to push hospitals to their breaking point. - Videos from The Weather Channel | weather.com

weather.com

Exactly, and I posted 10 links (not 8) in post 646 that showed the same thing.

 

[cabse5]

lol...there is a lot of evidence saying the exact opposite of the incredibly uneducated post above.

Coronavirus overwhelming Michigan hospitals, leaders warn; ‘the system can capsize’

Hospital CEOs from around Michigan are sounding the alarm on exponential growth in COVID-19 cases and the strain it's putting on hospital resources.

www.mlive.com

Closed storefronts, overwhelmed hospitals and mobile morgues: El Paso residents hit hard by coronavirus | CNN

The glowing lights of arcade machines flash on and off across a silent room. A small carousel stands idly by, its colorful horses frozen in time.

www.cnn.com

Hospitals Overwhelmed as COVID-19 Infections Skyrocket - Videos from The Weather Channel

Some cities and states have resorted to desperate measures as an influx of COVID-19 patients threatens to push hospitals to their breaking point. - Videos from The Weather Channel | weather.com

weather.com

Science is attempting to slow cases of Covid when not everyone is susceptible to Covid. Science isn't protecting those most susceptible to Covid like the elderly and those with multi-comorbidities.
Science is mistaken when its primary concern is the saving of hospital resources especially when hospital resource saving measures spread the virus and kills...Like mask wearing, for example.

My suggestion has always been to reverse quarantine those most susceptible to Covid apart and protected from everyone else and let everyone else go 'herd immunity'.
Those most susceptible to Covid would be protected from getting Covid. Those in herd immunity who got Covid couldn't pass it along to the most susceptible and our society could function more normally. Those in herd immunity wouldn't suffer any lasting ill effecs from Covid infection. Who knows, a vaccine may be found sooner with increased exposure to Covid.

 

[zimmer]

The stupidity of Trump and his supporters has literally killed hundreds of thousands of Americans.

This is nothing short of moronic. Zero points for critical thinking. If negative points could be awarded, you’d win them all.

Such ridiculousness... poison... spoon fed to the drones by their Goebbels Media.

 

[zimmer]

Don't forget, he was also an Olympian. LOL

That is something to be ****ing proud of.

Not many make it to the pinnacle of anything. I know... I’ve tried and come pretty close.

‘It’s something everyone should try... to be the very best at something... their very best.

Why?

Because we’d have fewer Leftists. They’d realize that accomplishing, or trying to accomplish something takes massive effort...and time... and taxing one’s effort and time is stealing the time, effort and ingenuity of that individual.

But... Leftists like theft... having the government steal on their behalf, taking from someone their time, effort and ingenuity... and

...they possess an even worse...disgusting trait... jealousy... as emitted in your post above.

 

[calamity]

Science is attempting to slow cases of Covid when not everyone is susceptible to Covid. Science isn't protecting those most susceptible to Covid like the elderly and those with multi-comorbidities.
Science is mistaken when its primary concern is the saving of hospital resources especially when hospital resource saving measures spread the virus and kills...Like mask wearing, for example.

My suggestion has always been to reverse quarantine those most susceptible to Covid apart and protected from everyone else and let everyone else go 'herd immunity'.
Those most susceptible to Covid would be protected from getting Covid. Those in herd immunity who got Covid couldn't pass it along to the most susceptible and our society could function more normally. Those in herd immunity wouldn't suffer any lasting ill effecs from Covid infection. Who knows, a vaccine may be found sooner with increased exposure to Covid.

lol...uh, no.

 

[TurtleDude]

I think the evidence gathered over the past few days makes it very clear:

Less-educated voters tend to go for Trump because they are STUPID.

that's a stupid comment.

 

[TurtleDude]

That is something to be ****ing proud of.

Not many make it to the pinnacle of anything. I know... I’ve tried and come pretty close.

‘It’s something everyone should try... to be the very best at something... their very best.

Why?

Because we’d have fewer Leftists. They’d realize that accomplishing, or trying to accomplish something takes massive effort...and time... and taxing one’s effort and time is stealing the time, effort and ingenuity of that individual.

But... Leftists like theft... having the government steal on their behalf, taking from someone their time, effort and ingenuity... and

...they possess an even worse...disgusting trait... jealousy... as emitted in your post above.

I think you are dealing with hosiery. That person claims to have been on the board 5 days!

 

[Bullseye]

Isn’t there a saying about a concept being so wrong and convoluted that only an “intellectual” whould believe it?

 

[ElChupacabra]

Science is attempting to slow cases of Covid when not everyone is susceptible to Covid. Science isn't protecting those most susceptible to Covid like the elderly and those with multi-comorbidities.
Science is mistaken when its primary concern is the saving of hospital resources especially when hospital resource saving measures spread the virus and kills...Like mask wearing, for example.

My suggestion has always been to reverse quarantine those most susceptible to Covid apart and protected from everyone else and let everyone else go 'herd immunity'.
Those most susceptible to Covid would be protected from getting Covid. Those in herd immunity who got Covid couldn't pass it along to the most susceptible and our society could function more normally. Those in herd immunity wouldn't suffer any lasting ill effecs from Covid infection. Who knows, a vaccine may be found sooner with increased exposure to Covid.

How do you propose to do that in the case of multigenerational homes? What should the seniors who have to work do? What should younger people with high co-morbidities do? As for everyone going "herd immunity" we're not even sure how long immunity lasts to even take that risk. No medical expert anywhere has suggested applying the concept of herd immunity by allowing for mass spread.

 

[Lursa]

Isn’t there a saying about a concept being so wrong and convoluted that only an “intellectual” whould believe it?

Except that fifth graders being interviewed on local TV were able to understand and articulate how flattening the curve and spreading out hospital resources saved lives. And how masks worked.

 

[skeptic llc]

I mean... Some might consider it to be a bit hyperbolic to say so, but the Western University System is really kind of starting to resemble a Leftist version of the infamous "Madrassa" system in the Middle East. The same Madrassa system responsible for giving rise to people like Osama Bin Laden.

Its primary focus isn't to teach, anymore, it is to socialize and indoctrinate students into a certain worldview. That world view is becoming increasingly more and more extreme, and even totalitarian.

Today I read a Berkeley prof (I think it was Berkeley) criticizing the people who are going after Jones Day for representing the Trump admin in various lawsuits. Every client deserves counsel, even the unpopular or controversial ones, etc. THAT is what I expect of academics; take strong stances for principles, even stances I disagree with, against the side of popular opinion.

 

[Lursa]

How do you propose to do that in the case of multigenerational homes? What should the seniors who have to work do? What should younger people with high co-morbidities do? As for everyone going "herd immunity" we're not even sure how long immunity lasts to even take that risk. No medical expert anywhere has suggested applying the concept of herd immunity by allowing for mass spread.

This has been spelled out for him, multiple times, in simpler and simpler form, for months.

Good luck

He could be the poster child for this OP. Even by his own admission. Exhibit A:

I find that the dictionary has many words that have whole new meanings and redefinitions. I find that it's entirely possible to remake the definition of any word. BTW, it's imperative to examine the motivation of the remaking of any word to determine if said redefinition is legitimate. For examples, if it's the remaking of the words fascism or totalitarianism, the motivation for the remaking of the words is authoritarianism.

I don't know about you but I like to (and am good at) using logic, deduction and inference, for examples, to determine truths.

 

[cabse5]

lol...uh, no.

No because the WHO/CDC says it's wrong??

Well, the CDC/WHO has gotten it wrong on how to fight Covid on many occasions:
(1 ) Incorrect statistical gathering at the onset of the pandemic that falsely led to their conclusion that hospital resources were most at risk from Covid.
(2) Because of the error of number 1, the CDC/WHO has been more concerned (overly concerned) with saving hospital resources when fighting the pandemic rather than being concerned with saving lives.
(3) The incorrect saving of hospital resources over the saving of lives spreads the virus and kills.
(4) There has never been any program offered by the CDC/WHO to protect those most at risk from Covid exposure, the elderly and those with multi-comorbidities.
(5) The proposal of the CDC/WHO to generally lockdown everyone with a spike in Covid cases kills and disrupts economies and lives.
(6) Wearing a mask prevents hospital resources from being overly taxed because wearing a mask levels the number of Covid cases. Wearing a mask doesn't stop the spread of Covid nor does wearing a mask stop death from Covid because the Covid virus lives for 8 days, I think, on an unsanitized surface and the mask doesn't force anyone to socially distance, wearing a mask doesn't force anyone to cover the eyes, wearing a mask doesn't force anyone to cover the hands and wearing a mask doesn't force anyone to cover the ears, for examples, and all are other ways that Covid can be contracted (other than getting Covid from the Covid-sick which mask wearing only prevents).
(7) Not everyone will be adversely affected by Covid exposure but the CDC/WHO treats the fighting of Covid as if everyone were at risk from Covid.
(8) The only other time social distancing was used to fight a pandemic, during the pandemic of the Spanish Flu in the early 20th century, similar high counts of pandemic casualties occurred. 'Scientists' should've known their choice to socially distance to fight this pandemic would've created untold casualties yet marched on with social distancing anyway because they thought hospital resources were chiefly at risk from this pandemic.

I like to throw out the misleading 'kicker' that people are overly concerned with human casualties from Covid when the CDC/WHO really isn't all that concerned with human casualties but are overly concerned with hospital resources casualties.

The CDC/WHO is dead wrong on how to fight this pandemic. What the CDC/WHO uses to fight this pandemic isn't science (neither is it logic, inference or deduction).

 

[ElChupacabra]

This has been spelled out for him, multiple times, in simpler and simpler form, for months.

Good luck

He could be the poster child for this OP. Even by his own admission. Exhibit A:

Ah, so another Paradoxical?

 

[cabse5]

How do you propose to do that in the case of multigenerational homes? What should the seniors who have to work do? What should younger people with high co-morbidities do? As for everyone going "herd immunity" we're not even sure how long immunity lasts to even take that risk. No medical expert anywhere has suggested applying the concept of herd immunity by allowing for mass spread.

Those who should be reverse quarantined, IMO, would suffer the same fate that most of us suffered in March and the early part of this year when everyone was locked down. It looks like in many regions of the country that many people will be suffering another lockdown similar to the lockdown started in March. Are you really trying to say that the lockdown in March (or now) is more prudent than my proposed reverse lockdown of those most susceptible to Covid?

 

[ElChupacabra]

Those who should be reverse quarantined, IMO, would suffer the same fate that most of us suffered in March and the early part of this year when everyone was locked down. It looks like in many regions of the country that many people will be suffering another lockdown similar to the lockdown started in March. Are you really trying to say that the lockdown in March (or now) is more prudent than my proposed reverse lockdown of those most susceptible to Covid?

You still haven't answered the question of how your proposal manages to protect people in multigenerational homes. That living condition often features members having to go out to work, meaning the at risk person in the home (usually an older member of the family) cannot effectively quarantine. As for which is more prudent, I guess that depends on what you think about the fact cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are rising. Given your premise on herd immunity, it doesn't seem like that matters very much in your estimation. Achieving herd immunity is usually through controlled spread and with the use of vaccines.

 

[calamity]

This has been spelled out for him, multiple times, in simpler and simpler form, for months.

Good luck

He could be the poster child for this OP. Even by his own admission. Exhibit A:

word

 

[Lursa]

Ah, so another Paradoxical?

But less creative.