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We need UHC to cover those terrible conditions, and must spare no expense in the process, not any restrictions on breeders. It's not the dog's fault that they have poor genes and will produce similar offspring.
In the last couple of days there has been discussion about what makes a "legitimate" breeder of dogs.
The same legitimate breeders that bring us the French Bulldog. An animal that cannot even breed normally (due to hindquarters issues). It also has to be cut out of its mother rather than natural birth. A number of other breeds have been bred so they no longer whelp normally. Most bulldogs for examples. Even certain Chihuahuas. Pugs have been breed for the flat face and bug eyes. Both prone to infection and other issues. The dogs have often been inbred for generations... Leading to all kinds of issues. Among them cancer, respiratory diseases, blindness, and heart problems.
With its sweet and loving disposition, combined with silky fur and elegantly droopy ears, the Cavalier King Charles spaniel is a popular breed—with families paying hundreds, sometimes thousands, of dollars per puppy. Unfortunately, though, it is almost certain that their pet will also come with genetic disorders.
By age five, for example, half of all Cavaliers will develop mitral valve disease, a serious heart condition that leaves the dogs susceptible to premature death. By the same age, up to 70 percent will suffer from canine syringomyelia, a debilitating neurological disorder in which the brain is too large for the skull, causing severe pain in the neck and shoulders, along with damage to parts of the dog’s spinal cord. And although Cavaliers may be a particularly obvious case of purebreds with problems, they aren’t alone. Most purebred dogs today are at a high risk for numerous inherited diseases. Why did this happen—and what can be done about it?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...can-be-best-in-show-are-they-worst-in-health/
So I ask... Are "Legitimate" breeders of the genetic abominations also ethical?
Well, if the breeder is raising dogs that are AKC certified and the dogs are in dog shows and you can get the full lineage...yeah.
My first Irish Terrier was of show stock, and I knew the breeder.
Well, if the breeder is raising dogs that are AKC certified and the dogs are in dog shows and you can get the full lineage...yeah.
My first Irish Terrier was of show stock, and I knew the breeder.
In the last couple of days there has been discussion about what makes a "legitimate" breeder of dogs.
The same legitimate breeders that bring us the French Bulldog. An animal that cannot even breed normally (due to hindquarters issues). It also has to be cut out of its mother rather than natural birth. A number of other breeds have been bred so they no longer whelp normally. Most bulldogs for examples. Even certain Chihuahuas. Pugs have been breed for the flat face and bug eyes. Both prone to infection and other issues. The dogs have often been inbred for generations... Leading to all kinds of issues. Among them cancer, respiratory diseases, blindness, and heart problems.
With its sweet and loving disposition, combined with silky fur and elegantly droopy ears, the Cavalier King Charles spaniel is a popular breed—with families paying hundreds, sometimes thousands, of dollars per puppy. Unfortunately, though, it is almost certain that their pet will also come with genetic disorders.
By age five, for example, half of all Cavaliers will develop mitral valve disease, a serious heart condition that leaves the dogs susceptible to premature death. By the same age, up to 70 percent will suffer from canine syringomyelia, a debilitating neurological disorder in which the brain is too large for the skull, causing severe pain in the neck and shoulders, along with damage to parts of the dog’s spinal cord. And although Cavaliers may be a particularly obvious case of purebreds with problems, they aren’t alone. Most purebred dogs today are at a high risk for numerous inherited diseases. Why did this happen—and what can be done about it?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...can-be-best-in-show-are-they-worst-in-health/
So I ask... Are "Legitimate" breeders of the genetic abominations also ethical?
Are all purebreds genetic abominations, in your view? Or just the breeds mentioned?
What's your solution to this problem?
So you are cool with breeding infirmity into a breed?
AKC only says your inbred was inbred in accordance with their guidelines....
The AKC guidelines for appearance have helped lead breeders to mutate some breeds.
If this is anything like the other thread, they just pretty much want the breeds to die out. :roll:
I have the AKC book from 100 years ago, my breed hasn't changed, and thankfully it never became very popular, it wasn't bred to be something different that hurt the breed.
If this is anything like the other thread, they just pretty much want the breeds to die out. :roll:
Are all purebreds genetic abominations, in your view? Or just the breeds mentioned?
What's your solution to this problem?
I have the AKC book from 100 years ago, my breed hasn't changed, and thankfully it never became very popular, it wasn't bred to be something different that hurt the breed.
In the last couple of days there has been discussion about what makes a "legitimate" breeder of dogs.
The same legitimate breeders that bring us the French Bulldog. An animal that cannot even breed normally (due to hindquarters issues). It also has to be cut out of its mother rather than natural birth. A number of other breeds have been bred so they no longer whelp normally. Most bulldogs for examples. Even certain Chihuahuas. Pugs have been breed for the flat face and bug eyes. Both prone to infection and other issues. The dogs have often been inbred for generations... Leading to all kinds of issues. Among them cancer, respiratory diseases, blindness, and heart problems.
With its sweet and loving disposition, combined with silky fur and elegantly droopy ears, the Cavalier King Charles spaniel is a popular breed—with families paying hundreds, sometimes thousands, of dollars per puppy. Unfortunately, though, it is almost certain that their pet will also come with genetic disorders.
By age five, for example, half of all Cavaliers will develop mitral valve disease, a serious heart condition that leaves the dogs susceptible to premature death. By the same age, up to 70 percent will suffer from canine syringomyelia, a debilitating neurological disorder in which the brain is too large for the skull, causing severe pain in the neck and shoulders, along with damage to parts of the dog’s spinal cord. And although Cavaliers may be a particularly obvious case of purebreds with problems, they aren’t alone. Most purebred dogs today are at a high risk for numerous inherited diseases. Why did this happen—and what can be done about it?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...can-be-best-in-show-are-they-worst-in-health/
So I ask... Are "Legitimate" breeders of the genetic abominations also ethical?
Then your breed is one unaffected by the breeders. Good one you.
In the last couple of days there has been discussion about what makes a "legitimate" breeder of dogs.
The same legitimate breeders that bring us the French Bulldog. An animal that cannot even breed normally (due to hindquarters issues). It also has to be cut out of its mother rather than natural birth. A number of other breeds have been bred so they no longer whelp normally. Most bulldogs for examples. Even certain Chihuahuas. Pugs have been breed for the flat face and bug eyes. Both prone to infection and other issues. The dogs have often been inbred for generations... Leading to all kinds of issues. Among them cancer, respiratory diseases, blindness, and heart problems.
With its sweet and loving disposition, combined with silky fur and elegantly droopy ears, the Cavalier King Charles spaniel is a popular breed—with families paying hundreds, sometimes thousands, of dollars per puppy. Unfortunately, though, it is almost certain that their pet will also come with genetic disorders.
By age five, for example, half of all Cavaliers will develop mitral valve disease, a serious heart condition that leaves the dogs susceptible to premature death. By the same age, up to 70 percent will suffer from canine syringomyelia, a debilitating neurological disorder in which the brain is too large for the skull, causing severe pain in the neck and shoulders, along with damage to parts of the dog’s spinal cord. And although Cavaliers may be a particularly obvious case of purebreds with problems, they aren’t alone. Most purebred dogs today are at a high risk for numerous inherited diseases. Why did this happen—and what can be done about it?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...can-be-best-in-show-are-they-worst-in-health/
So I ask... Are "Legitimate" breeders of the genetic abominations also ethical?
I think what they are talking about is puppy mills where a breeder will have dozens if not hundreds of dogs, and those dogs are kept in small cages their entire lives, standing in their own filth, and getting little human interaction. That unfortunately is the source of a lot of pet store dogs.
Breeding dogs that tend to have a lot of a lot of health issues like English Bulldogs is an entirely different discussion.
There are many legitimate dog breeders in the country. There are more that are not legitimate. Legitimacy is not determined by the AKC standard or the unfortunate reality that certain breeds are susceptible to health or other issues.
A legitimate breeder does not ship puppies. A legitimate breeder does not sell to pet stores. A legitimate breeder does not overbreed the females. A legitimate breeder does not inbreed too closely in the bloodlines. A legitimate breeder breeds for the betterment of the breed.
Dachshunds are susceptible to IVDD and other back issues. Breeding them does not make you a bad breeder. Breeding them indiscriminately, not understanding how to minimize the susceptibility by understanding the bloodlines, and so on is what makes a bad breeder.
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