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Left Wing Double Standards

LOL! You're double standard has been noted.

It's just a discussion. Why not address the topic?
 
I'm having fun just reading the banter back and forth.

Pubby certainly opened up a can of worms.
 
aquapub said:
Who cares whether Americans treat tems like "liberal" and "left-wing" as inter-changeable? Being left of mainstream America, to any degree, is too liberal for sanity and sensibility.

And let the world see liberals as a less offensive term than we do all they want. There's a reason no country more liberal than ours can compete with our economy...liberal policies are ineffective and economically suicidal.

It is far more accurate to perceive liberals as conservatives without personal responsibility, a job, family, or anything that might require them to live in reality or care about the consequences of their lunatic policies.
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You guys are hilarious, except for a few irrelevant issues like gay marriage, the mainstream liberals and conservatives are very similar.

They just differ on their approaches to crises in capitalism and the different factions they represent.

Hence the liberals favour liberal corporatism or old style-"keynesianism" where as the conservatives favour neoliberalism.

To act like american "liberals" and "conservatives" are diametrically opposed shows how little you know about real politics.

By no stretch of the imagination could you call the actual "liberal" political players like the Democrats leftwing even if some of the rank and file liberals are actually bourgeois progressives.
 
Feela said:
Anyone that would call a democrat leftwing is not worth listening to.
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It is people who do not understand the difference between political principles and political parties who are truly clueless.
 
CurrentAffai, I'm sorry if you felt offended by my remarks. I had no idea you had been already been convinced. "Only a weak mind" ... it's a supposition. If you claim it, so be it. If you think I was speaking about you, then that's what you think.

So, anyway, back to the point and to the topic, I did spend some time rebutting the awful, ridiculous argument, the one that you were so impressed with and, um, convinced by.

How's about rebutting it? how's about discussing the topic?
 
niftydrifty said:
CurrentAffai, I'm sorry if you felt offended by my remarks. I had no idea you had been already been convinced. "Only a weak mind" ... it's a supposition. If you claim it, so be it. If you think I was speaking about you, then that's what you think.?
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Forgive me, but I'm not following your rant here. What am I supposed to have been offended by? What have I supposedly been convinced of? What in the hell are you rambling about?

niftydrifty said:
So, anyway, back to the point and to the topic, I did spend some time rebutting the awful, ridiculous argument, the one that you were so impressed with and, um, convinced by.?
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Sorry man, but I, um, have no idea what you're, um, going on about.

niftydrifty said:
How's about rebutting it? how's about discussing the topic?
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Yes, notice post #17. I've been asking the same thing since then.
 
aquapub said:
Don't hold your breath. ;)

The only thing funnier than watching a bitter, impotent halfwit get put on everyone's ignore list for his bipolar tantrums is finding out that he has since fixated on following you around trying to save face by having angry conversations with himself.

:2funny:
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Not quite as funny as watching you cut and run over the Jessica's Law "discussion" we were having. You are a fu/cking joke...dipshyte. And I know I am not on your ignore list, liar, because you started complaining about my signature. What a fu/cking fruitcake. :2rofll:
 
Feela said:
By no stretch of the imagination could you call the actual "liberal" political players like the Democrats leftwing even if some of the rank and file liberals are actually bourgeois progressives.
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This is like acting outraged that someone would call a person with a car, free housing, free college, who never misses a meal "poor."

But in America, you can have all that and still be poor.


Likewise, the Democrats who protect child molesters, rape the economy, and relentlessly trash the troops may look not that unlike Republicans to someone who is use to looking at the far more left-wing lunacy in, say, Europe, but that doesn't make it unreasonable at all to portray Democrats as wildly unlike Republicans.
 
Moderator's Warning:
aquapub, jallman - knock it off. You've both been here long enough to thoroughly know the rules. Therefore, you both know that you're out of line. Debate the topic, not each other. If you can't say anything nice about each other, take it to the Basement.
 
aquapub said:
This is like acting outraged that someone would call a person with a car, free housing, free college, who never misses a meal "poor."
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Are these real free houses or the ideal platonic kind?




Likewise, the Democrats who protect child molesters, rape the economy, and relentlessly trash the troops may look not that unlike Republicans to someone who is use to looking at the far more left-wing lunacy in, say, Europe, but that doesn't make it unreasonable at all to portray Democrats as wildly unlike Republicans.
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In europe it is much the same, there are little real differences between parties, beyond they perhaps represent slightly different parts of the ruling classes or have different plans for dealing with the crisis tendencies in capitalism.
 
Feela said:
In europe it is much the same, there are little real differences between parties, beyond they perhaps represent slightly different parts of the ruling classes or have different plans for dealing with the crisis tendencies in capitalism.
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You are being dissmissive about the huge policy differences between Republicans and Democrats just because they are close to each other on the overall global political spectrum.

From where I sit, they are very, very different, and none of this has anything to do with the examples I posted of media double standards that always favor Democrats.
 
aquapub said:
Our poorest people get free (section 8) housing.
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It's not technically free.

Currently, the two main Section 8 programs are tenant-based vouchers and project-based vouchers.
A Public Housing Authority can choose to project-base up to 25% of its total vouchers, meaning that the vouchers are linked to a particular apartment. Eligible families pay 30% of their income while living in the apartment, but cannot take that voucher with them to another complex or private residence.
Under the tenant-based program, eligible families with a certificate or voucher find and lease a unit in the private sector and pay a portion of the rent (based on income, generally around 30%). The local housing authority pays the owner the remaining rent, subject to a cap referred to as "Fair Market Rent" (FMR) which is determined by HUD. The owner cannot charge a Section 8 tenant more than FMR, even if the owner does so for non-Section 8 tenants in similar units.
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Section 8 (housing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
 
aquapub said:
Our poorest people get free (section 8) housing.
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I am one person regardless to my party affiliation who is glad that poor in all colors can receive section 8. Economic crisis comes in all colors, and as a tax-payer its good to know that my tax $$$$ is being spent wisely. For once I see Stacie has stepped out of the Judges chamber, and is on the same level with us. Thanks Stacie for the valid information on Section 8. Along with section 8 there is a program for the low income that receives Social Security and SSI. People on this governmemt program pays 10% of the monthly rent, and the government pays the rest of the rental amount. As a Housing & Tenants Rights intake worker the only places that's free is shelters for the women with children,or single men and women who is homeless, and the staying time is limited in some cases. Some is allowed 90 days or some is allowed up to a year, and that depends on the situation. No matter if a person is a right-wing or left wing all humanitarian matters should come first.

Thanks again Stacie for that information.
 
aquapub said:
Our poorest people get free (section 8) housing.
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Good for them. The richest people get much the same, except they get to choose what to do with their free, unearned income.
You are being dissmissive about the huge policy differences between Republicans and Democrats just because they are close to each other on the overall global political spectrum.
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There are some difference certainly, but this is between the factions of the ruling classes they represent and their solutions to crisis tendencies in capitalism.
 
Here is another to add to the list of left wing double standards.


[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNT3IWeHaKA[/YOUTUBE]
 
jamesrage said:
Here is another to add to the list of left wing double standards.


[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNT3IWeHaKA[/YOUTUBE]
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Where's the leftwinger? That video is about the rightist, pro-corporate Hillary Clinton.
 
Feela said:
Where's the leftwinger? That video is about the rightist, pro-corporate Hillary Clinton.
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Hillary is about as much as a rightist as my penis is ten feet long.Hilliary is a liberal pretending to be a moderate instead of a insane liberal to sucker idiots into voting for her.
 
jamesrage said:
Hillary is about as much as a rightist as my penis is ten feet long.Hilliary is a liberal pretending to be a moderate instead of a insane liberal to sucker idiots into voting for her.
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Hillary clinton is an american liberal/democrat and what's more a quite high up, therefore she is a rightist through and through.
Alright she doesn't quite have the same Fascist credentials as Bush and his mates but she is not far off, she makes Blair look like a commie.
 
PoliticalActivist said:
I am one person regardless to my party affiliation who is glad that poor in all colors can receive section 8. Economic crisis comes in all colors, and as a tax-payer its good to know that my tax $$$$ is being spent wisely. For once I see Stacie has stepped out of the Judges chamber, and is on the same level with us. Thanks Stacie for the valid information on Section 8. Along with section 8 there is a program for the low income that receives Social Security and SSI. People on this governmemt program pays 10% of the monthly rent, and the government pays the rest of the rental amount. As a Housing & Tenants Rights intake worker the only places that's free is shelters for the women with children,or single men and women who is homeless, and the staying time is limited in some cases. Some is allowed 90 days or some is allowed up to a year, and that depends on the situation. No matter if a person is a right-wing or left wing all humanitarian matters should come first.

Thanks again Stacie for that information.
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You're quite welcome. Alas, I wish I had more time to sit here and post like I used to....but with a 4 1/2 month old, I often only get the chance to read and take care of some mod stuff.

P.S. It's Stace...No "i" in there! :2wave:
 
Feela said:
There are some difference certainly, but this is between the factions of the ruling classes they represent and their solutions to crisis tendencies in capitalism.
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1) There are huge differences.

2) crisis "tendencies" in Capitalism?

-India's economy was at a crawl until it privatized much of it's economy, as was China. India has comparable resources to us and a population density like that of New Jersey. India and China's economic stagnation did not come from population or lack of resources, it came from Socialism.

-Has Socialist France had any more riots recently?

-Hong Kong has virtually zero natural resources, and a high population, yet they have always been a thriving metropolis...because of capitalism.

-How's Frances growth rate doing? Last time I saw the numbers, France's (Socialism) was 2.2%, Germany's (Socialism)was 1.1%, etc. Ours ranges from ~3.5% to just under 6%, usually staying near the top of that scale (and growing 4 or 5% of an economy AMERICA'S size means way more than growing 4 or 5% of a puny European economy's size.

3) Actually, as the intro to this thread demonstrates, Democrats represent the elite in this country, and Republicans tend to represent the Middle Class:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/171818-post1.html

Excerpt: "BEFORE McCain Feingold, the Hollywood fanatics and rich elitist snobs who compose the base of the Democrat party didn’t have much direct power. They always had to give their millions to the Democratic National Committee and hope for the best. But NOW these incredibly fanatical Democrats had become the most powerful Democrats in the party with DIRECT roles in every step of the campaign."
 
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