Left clashes with far-right in Germany...

[joG]

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Those who believe that Trump will be moving into the White House will be mighty disappointed after the election.

Wait and see.

I am hoping for such a disappointment, anyway. As a fellow was pointing out on BBC this morning, though, Trump rallies voter come-out and Clinton does the opposite.

 

[PeteEU]

That is the story that the traditional parties like to spin. And it is becoming a self-fulfilling prophesy to a certain degree, as the liberal founders find themselves under attack by the traditionalists in the media and competing parties and unsupported because of propaganda like yours, the discontents have gained ground within the AfD. This does not make them "Neo Nazi" by a long shot. It does mean they tend further to nationalistic xenophobia than they did, when the party was founded.

Give up.. it is a German Nationalistic party.. last time there was such a party it was the NAZI party. It is a party, where the leader has said that Germany should shoot people crossing into Germany. It is a party where there has been more than one episode of racism, xenophobia and yes anti-Semitism as well. It is a party that is based on hatred against a religion and minority ... like the the Nazi party was at least in part.

So just give up.. the AfD is a neo-nazi party in disguise.... if they continue down the road they are, then there are abilities with in the German state to ban the assholes. Oh and that was put in place by the Allies back in the day, so dont even try to blame "Europe" as you usually do. Anyone who supports AfD needs to reconsider their humanity...

 

[Cyrylek]

400 arrested as left wing protesters clash with far-right in Germany
Demonstrators burned tires on a motorway and threw fireworks and flares

400 arrested as left wing protesters clash with far-right in Germany | Europe | News | The Independent


No better than the criminal thugs who protested at Trump rallies in Calif.

While I despise Trump absolutely, I have to agree that the violent protesters are, as a matter of fact, criminal thugs.

And: They are making the disastrous Trump Presidency more, not less likely.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

 

[joG]

Give up.. it is a German Nationalistic party.. last time there was such a party it was the NAZI party. It is a party, where the leader has said that Germany should shoot people crossing into Germany. It is a party where there has been more than one episode of racism, xenophobia and yes anti-Semitism as well. It is a party that is based on hatred against a religion and minority ... like the the Nazi party was at least in part.

So just give up.. the AfD is a neo-nazi party in disguise.... if they continue down the road they are, then there are abilities with in the German state to ban the assholes. Oh and that was put in place by the Allies back in the day, so dont even try to blame "Europe" as you usually do. Anyone who supports AfD needs to reconsider their humanity...

Again you err. The "last time there was such a party" is now. Think NPD. What is true is that the recent spread of nationalistic sentiment in all parts of the German public including the socialist parties is remarkable.

 

[German guy]

The AFD may be unappetizing, it may address ugly base instincts and sentiments in the population, but as far as I can see, it is NOT a Nazi party (which doesn't exclude the possibility that individual party members are influenced by far-right thought).

The AFD leadership in the state of Saarland had ties to genuine neo-Nazis; the AFD party convention decided by majority to throw them all out of the party and to dissolve the party in that state.

That party is heterogenous, and certainly "right-wing", encompassing different wings, including one "national-conservative" one with ties to the "New Right" and "Identitarian Movement", but they've made pretty clear and they have been rather vocal about respecting the constitutional order. The German Verfassungsschutz (Office for the Protection of the Constitution, a kind of "German NSA") at the moment sees no reason to observe the party.

For the record: I don't sympathize with the AFD, I'd rather see it not being successful, and I most certainly won't vote for it.

But a democratic attitude requires respect for political opponents, as long as they respect the constitutional order. Someone you politically disagree with is an opponent, not an enemy.

I feel many on the left are lacking this respect when it comes to the AFD: Everybody who disagrees with them is immediately labelled "a Nazi" or "neo-liberal" or both. These words are too often thrown around as mere slurs, and thus have lost most of their meaning. Newsflash for lefties: There are conservative opinions to the right of the center which do not violate the values of the constitution. If you want respect for your side, you have to pay the same respect to your opponents.

Also, these smears and slurs against the AFD are not just inappropriate, they are also totally counter-productive: It's basically free advertisement for the AFD. The "Nazi sledghammer" doesn't work anymore, most people even develop a kneejerk reaction *against* those who use it, just because it is often swung so inappropriately to smear opponents.

So if we want to keep the AFD small, singling them out and badmouthing won't work, it will only make them stronger. It's too late for that. It's better to address their stances and find arguments and reasons against them, and pointing out why they are bad ideas, whenever they are.


How about pointing out that a significant part of the AFD members want to leave NATO, and flirt with Putin's fascist dictatorship in Russia?

Or explain to lower middle-class and unemployed voters, who used to vote left, that the AFD ideas on economic policies favor big corporations and rich people?

It should also be pointed out that the AFD opposes equality of the genders by emphasizing "traditional families" and by their hateful rants against "genderism" -- they want women back into the kitchen. People interested in freedom for gay and queer people should also know the AFD is strictly against more rights for homosexuals.

Their stances give reason for criticism and counter-arguments enough -- no need to "play the Nazi card" on them, which has become a kind of "crying wolf syndrome" anyway.

 

[MorrisDay]

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Those who believe that Trump will be moving into the White House will be mighty disappointed after the election.

Wait and see.

I agree, but wait and see how 4 more years works out for the U.S. and the world.

 

[shrubnose]

I agree, but

wait and see how 4 more years works out for the U.S. and the world.

I believe that 8 years from now the USA will be better off than it is now.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out out of touch, running out of time,GOP.

 

[MorrisDay]

I believe that 8 years from now the USA will be better off than it is now.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out out of touch, running out of time,GOP.

I certainly hope so.

 

[International10]

400 arrested as left wing protesters clash with far-right in Germany
Demonstrators burned tires on a motorway and threw fireworks and flares

400 arrested as left wing protesters clash with far-right in Germany | Europe | News | The Independent


No better than the criminal thugs who protested at Trump rallies in Calif.

Why do you refer to the left as simply "the left" and the right as "The FAR right". I never really hear much about Right Wing politicans in Europe anymore. Apparently you are either Left or Far-Right

 

[German guy]

Why do you refer to the left as simply "the left" and the right as "The FAR right". I never really hear much about Right Wing politicans in Europe anymore. Apparently you are either Left or Far-Right

The political spectrum in Europe is different than in the US. "Left" and "right" don't mean quite the same things here and there.

Add to that that many European countries have multi-party systems, so there are often several parties on the left and right, respectively. Unlike in the US, where both Dems and Reps encompass a huge range of different ideologies.

 

[Grant]

Why do you refer to the left as simply "the left" and the right as "The FAR right". I never really hear much about Right Wing politicans in Europe anymore. Apparently you are either Left or Far-Right

Everything in Europe is either "right wing", "far right". or not worth while mentioning. It seems left wing is 'moderate' and there is no "Far Left Wing". They can have an hour long political discussion just using those terms while never touching on the issues..

 

[Grant]

Again you err. The "last time there was such a party" is now. Think NPD. What is true is that the recent spread of nationalistic sentiment in all parts of the German public including the socialist parties is remarkable.

While these people are being called "extreme right wing" and "nationalist" they may feel they want no harm to anyone but do want to protect the culture and future of their country. Hungary and Poland have quite another take on the issue. The EU's Kiss of Death

 

[Fenton]

How far do you think that the far-right will get in Germany or the USA?

I predict total failure for the far-right in Germany and in the USA.

If you have other ideas-fill us in.

:lol:




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time GOP.

The left is the Rights biggest advocate. You DO realize that, dont you ?

The more the left is allowed to implement their toxic, devisive and destructive agenda, the faster the right grows.

Think Tea Party, and the 2014 GOP route of the Democrat party

 

[Chagos]

Everything in Europe is either "right wing", "far right". or not worth while mentioning. It seems left wing is 'moderate' and there is no "Far Left Wing". They can have an hour long political discussion just using those terms while never touching on the issues..

Is this your opinion merely, does it constitute any hands-on experience or do you actually have some sort of "local" knowledge when it comes to Europe?

 

[Chagos]

Again you err. The "last time there was such a party" is now. Think NPD. What is true is that the recent spread of nationalistic sentiment in all parts of the German public including the socialist parties is remarkable.

Nevertheless the nationalistic lean is not shared by the vast majority of Germans.

 

[shrubnose]

The left is the Rights biggest advocate. You DO realize that, dont you ?

The more the left is allowed to implement their toxic, devisive and destructive agenda, the faster the right grows.

Think Tea Party, and the 2014 GOP route of the Democrat party

Get back with us in 40 years after demographic change has more effect and tell us all about it.

:lol:




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.

 

[shrubnose]

Why do you espouse liberalism as being anything other than a turd pie?

Come back in about 40 years after demographic change hits full force in the USA and tell us all about it.

:lol:

No one can stop time and/or change.

 

[joG]

Nevertheless the nationalistic lean is not shared by the vast majority of Germans.

I would tend to disagree there and believe that the counts we see are not representative of the feelings behind the answers on the question sheets. I run into enormous subcutaneous nationalism in many areas. But invariably, when you ask the person outright at a different time, she is never nationalistically inclined.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

The Right-Wing is obviously becoming a serious threat to the world once again...
Although it is more subtle in the U.S., it is far more dangerous...
Manipulating and controlling BOTH parties...

 

[Abbazorkzog]

The left is the Rights biggest advocate. You DO realize that, dont you ?

The more the left is allowed to implement their toxic, devisive and destructive agenda, the faster the right grows.

Think Tea Party, and the 2014 GOP route of the Democrat party

They are both morons.

 

[International10]

Nevertheless the nationalistic lean is not shared by the vast majority of Germans.

From speaking with many Germans on this issue and seeing the recent rise of right leaning political parties in Germany I think its fair to say that Germans are extremely "Self Conscious" of the huge stigma the world has viewed them with since WWII and are very wary to openly admit to how they feel. They also believe strongly in conformity and not "Rocking the Boat"

If you were speaking alone with many Germans in a quiet place and said "hey so what do you really think about the Changing Demographics and large scale immigration into Germany" you might find a different trend than even the most recent polls are suggesting. This is obviously just an opinion, but do you disagree? and why?

 

[MickeyW]

Come back in about 40 years after demographic change hits full force in the USA and tell us all about it.

:lol:

No one can stop time and/or change.

I'll be dead by then....you might be too.

 

[MickeyW]

They are both morons.

No....they aren't! The Tea Party people, who I really like, are all about stopping the nonsense from the Left!

From speaking with many Germans on this issue and seeing the recent rise of right leaning political parties in Germany I think its fair to say that Germans are extremely "Self Conscious" of the huge stigma the world has viewed them with since WWII and are very wary to openly admit to how they feel. They also believe strongly in conformity and not "Rocking the Boat"

If you were speaking alone with many Germans in a quiet place and said "hey so what do you really think about the Changing Demographics and large scale immigration into Germany" you might find a different trend than even the most recent polls are suggesting. This is obviously just an opinion, but do you disagree? and why?

Well, they better all wake up soon! This immigration overrun is a Huge problem for all of Europe!

 

[shrubnose]

I'll be dead by then...

.you might be too.

RIP. Don't forget to write your will.

:lol:

I intend to stick around so I can see what happens.