Yes, this is about gun control... its about controlling your gun.I got to play with one of these at the gunstore yesterday....
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I rather liked it. It's 9mm, 7+1, but at 4.5" tall, 6" long and 18oz it could be a pocket gun, and the price is reasonable. I'm actually kind of unsure on the laser, though. With the under-mount, when you raise the gun to eye level you don't really see the dot because the gun is in the way. Now at close quarters I use the pectoral index or center-lock and don't really need a laser for that close... at any greater distance my training and habit is to raise to eye level, letting the sights line up by feel, and again the laser isn't useful in that position. If it is dark enough that I can't see the sights, I probably can't see the target either... in which case I need a LIGHT more than a laser. Thoughts?
IMHO a laser is only good for CQB (close quarters battle) in lower light conditions, like going into a house. Outdoors or with good lighting you'll almost always want the iron sights. I figure it can't hurt and it's fun to play with.
Lots of us have flashlights on home defense weapons. I have yet to meet a professional having one on a pistol.
I wouldn't see it as being very practical on a pistol. Throws off the balance of the weapon, and would slow down withdrawing the pistol from a holster that would have to be specifically made for accommodating such an accessory.
I'm a big fan of the green laser on a S&W 642 for close shooting at night (my most likely scenario).Yes, this is about gun control... its about controlling your gun.I got to play with one of these at the gunstore yesterday....
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I rather liked it. It's 9mm, 7+1, but at 4.5" tall, 6" long and 18oz it could be a pocket gun, and the price is reasonable. I'm actually kind of unsure on the laser, though. With the under-mount, when you raise the gun to eye level you don't really see the dot because the gun is in the way. Now at close quarters I use the pectoral index or center-lock and don't really need a laser for that close... at any greater distance my training and habit is to raise to eye level, letting the sights line up by feel, and again the laser isn't useful in that position. If it is dark enough that I can't see the sights, I probably can't see the target either... in which case I need a LIGHT more than a laser. Thoughts?
The first officer on scene of the Treyvon shooting had one on his gun. I caught that detail when that officer took the stand.Lots of us have flashlights on home defense weapons. I have yet to meet a professional having one on a pistol.
For a guard in a tower at a prison though, they make sense on sniper rifles
The first officer on scene of the Treyvon shooting had one on his gun. I caught that detail when that officer took the stand.
I was talking about flashlights.not always true-the crimson trace lasers are in the grip
but I find its far faster to put the front sight on a target than look for a red dot on the target
I have trained for year to concentrate on the front sight rather than a spot on the target
its the way all top pistol shooters shoot
I was talking about flashlights.
I was talking about flashlights.
While describing his actions in handcuffing Zimmerman, he was asked how he was able to see in the dark pathway. He said he had a light. The lawyer asked him which hand he was holding his flashlight in, the officer said the flashlight was mounted on his service pistol.flashlight or a laser?
thanks, and that makes sense
the glock and the shotgun we keep in our bedroom both have flashlights on them
Just a little communication error. No big deal.I think we're getting flashlights and lasers confused.
I'm cool with flashlights. I had an LED light attached to my 10/22 for a while, and it did what it was supposed to do. I don't see a big problem with having one on a full sized service-type pistol, either. With holstered/carry pistols, I just see a lot of problems. The main one being having to actually draw it from the holster. Too many ways to get snagged and screw you when you need to pull your gun quickly.Flashlights on long guns, sure. Flashlights on handguns... well there are some, but the ones I've seen cost a mint and aren't really small enough for ease of concealed carry... so I usually just carry a small flashlight in my pocket, which is always handy for a variety of purposes.
I know I don't. Only thing I use a laser for is to **** with my roommates cat.I think lasers are probably good for middling-to-average shooters. I'm having trouble convincing myself I need one.
Goshin: I agree with you. From the size of that gun a person would need to protect themselves real quick and close. Lets face it: under self-defense circumstances you sure are not looking for a judge to hand you a trophy for beating on accurate shooting.Yes, this is about gun control... its about controlling your gun.I got to play with one of these at the gunstore yesterday....
I rather liked it. It's 9mm, 7+1, but at 4.5" tall, 6" long and 18oz it could be a pocket gun, and the price is reasonable. I'm actually kind of unsure on the laser, though. With the under-mount, when you raise the gun to eye level you don't really see the dot because the gun is in the way. Now at close quarters I use the pectoral index or center-lock and don't really need a laser for that close... at any greater distance my training and habit is to raise to eye level, letting the sights line up by feel, and again the laser isn't useful in that position. If it is dark enough that I can't see the sights, I probably can't see the target either... in which case I need a LIGHT more than a laser. Thoughts?
Goshin: I agree with you. From the size of that gun a person would need to protect themselves real quick and close. Lets face it: under self-defense circumstances you sure are not looking for a judge to hand you a trophy for beating on accurate shooting.
Goshin: I agree with you. From the size of that gun a person would need to protect themselves real quick and close. Lets face it: under self-defense circumstances you sure are not looking for a judge to hand you a trophy for beating on accurate shooting.
Yes, this is about gun control... its about controlling your gun.I got to play with one of these at the gunstore yesterday....
I rather liked it. It's 9mm, 7+1, but at 4.5" tall, 6" long and 18oz it could be a pocket gun, and the price is reasonable. I'm actually kind of unsure on the laser, though. With the under-mount, when you raise the gun to eye level you don't really see the dot because the gun is in the way. Now at close quarters I use the pectoral index or center-lock and don't really need a laser for that close... at any greater distance my training and habit is to raise to eye level, letting the sights line up by feel, and again the laser isn't useful in that position. If it is dark enough that I can't see the sights, I probably can't see the target either... in which case I need a LIGHT more than a laser. Thoughts?
My thoughts on lasers......if you're eyes are focused on the front sight like they're supposed to be then the laser isn't much use. I just see bad habits developing from using such gadgets at the range.
Yes, this is about gun control... its about controlling your gun.I got to play with one of these at the gunstore yesterday....
I rather liked it. It's 9mm, 7+1, but at 4.5" tall, 6" long and 18oz it could be a pocket gun, and the price is reasonable. I'm actually kind of unsure on the laser, though. With the under-mount, when you raise the gun to eye level you don't really see the dot because the gun is in the way. Now at close quarters I use the pectoral index or center-lock and don't really need a laser for that close... at any greater distance my training and habit is to raise to eye level, letting the sights line up by feel, and again the laser isn't useful in that position. If it is dark enough that I can't see the sights, I probably can't see the target either... in which case I need a LIGHT more than a laser. Thoughts?
A nice green laser will blind them...maybe permanently.Μολὼν λαβέ;1062319997 said:Most definitely get a flashlight that will temporary blind an assailant. Something with 250 lumens or more with a strobe function. Then you may not need a laser as night sights should suffice.
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