Knowledge test [W:93]

[apdst]

Maybe if America invested in their education system you wouldn't need the military to to teach them responsibility and skills.

You want firearms safety taught in grade school?!? Be honest!!!

 

[Carjosse]

Oh, one of those 'throw money at the problem' even though it has shown not to be the solution.

Really, America seems to disprove that theory. You don't invest in education and you get crappy education.

 

[Carjosse]

You want firearms safety taught in grade school?!? Be honest!!!

No, I want it taught to anyone who wants to own a gun.

 

[apdst]

No, I want it taught to anyone who wants to own a gun.

Stop trying to prevent people from owning guns. Have you taught your kids to safely handle a firearm?

 

[Carjosse]

Stop trying to prevent people from owning guns. Have you taught your kids to safely handle a firearm?

No mainly because I don't have kids or a gun. No it makes perfect sense if someone wants to won a gun they need to prove they can handle it safely. You have to get safety training here no one complains about it.

 

[Moot]

That's why the evil "gun culture" takes their children shooting at an early age, and often, and with many different types of firearms, just to get villainized by the Left for it.

I just can't get this out of my head.....



"...With his father and a firearms instructor standing nearby, an 8-year-old Connecticut boy shot himself in the head with a submachine gun yesterday, killing himself in an accident some say should never have happened.

Christopher Bizilj was testing a 9 mm Micro Uzi at the Westfield Sportsman's Club in Westfield, Mass., as part of the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo, when he shot himself Sunday.

"The firearm instructor prepped the weapon for him, and once it was ready he handed it to the child," Westfield Police Lt. Hipolito Nunez told ABCNews.com today.

Christopher then pulled the trigger, and the gun's recoil pulled the barrel upward, causing a round to hit him on the right side of his head, according Nunez. He was pronounced dead a short time later at Baystate Medical Center in nearby Springfield...read".

8-Yr-Old Boy Shoots Self at Gun Show - ABC News


Was the gun was too big and powerful for a boy that size? I've seen gun recoils knock full grown men back on their arse....and that instructor and his father thought it was a good idea to let a little boy shoot a gun like that?

 

[Dickieboy]

Really, America seems to disprove that theory. You don't invest in education and you get crappy education.

Not wanting to derail the thread but the United States ranks fourth in 'investing' in education...Canada doesn't rank in the top 15...

 

[TurtleDude]

No mainly because I don't have kids or a gun. No it makes perfect sense if someone wants to won a gun they need to prove they can handle it safely. You have to get safety training here no one complains about it.

most of us really don't care what conditions another country places on its subjects

 

[apdst]

No mainly because I don't have kids or a gun. No it makes perfect sense if someone wants to won a gun they need to prove they can handle it safely. You have to get safety training here no one complains about it.

Oh wait, you live in Canda. Y'all aren't allowed to own guns.

 

[TurtleDude]

I just can't get this out of my head.....



"...With his father and a firearms instructor standing nearby, an 8-year-old Connecticut boy shot himself in the head with a submachine gun yesterday, killing himself in an accident some say should never have happened.

Christopher Bizilj was testing a 9 mm Micro Uzi at the Westfield Sportsman's Club in Westfield, Mass., as part of the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo, when he shot himself Sunday.

"The firearm instructor prepped the weapon for him, and once it was ready he handed it to the child," Westfield Police Lt. Hipolito Nunez told ABCNews.com today.

Christopher then pulled the trigger, and the gun's recoil pulled the barrel upward, causing a round to hit him on the right side of his head, according Nunez. He was pronounced dead a short time later at Baystate Medical Center in nearby Springfield...read".

8-Yr-Old Boy Shoots Self at Gun Show - ABC News


Was the gun was too big and powerful for a boy that size? I've seen gun recoils knock full grown men back on their arse....and that instructor and his father thought it was a good idea to let a little boy shoot a gun like that?

funny, my nine year old son-small for his size-shot a 20G shotgun in competition and I don't recall him being knocked back

 

[Carjosse]

Not wanting to derail the thread but the United States ranks fourth in 'investing' in education...Canada doesn't rank in the top 15...

Though form what I've seen from the United States that states that have good education generally spend more money on public education than states who don't. Then again I don't live there and I can't find statistics.

 

[Carjosse]

Oh wait, you live in Canda. Y'all aren't allowed to own guns.

Are you serious or don't know anything?

 

[Dickieboy]

Though form what I've seen from the United States that states that have good education generally spend more money on public education than states who don't. Then again I don't live there and I can't find statistics.

Nice 'goal post shift'...done with the derail

 

[Moot]

funny, my nine year old son-small for his size-shot a 20G shotgun in competition and I don't recall him being knocked back

I doubt that father thought it was funny when the gun recoiled on his son. It only takes one little mistake. Tell me, TD do you keep your weapons locked up in a safe when you're not using them? Do you let your kids use guns unsupervised?

 

[TurtleDude]

I doubt that father thought it was funny when the gun recoiled on his son. It only takes one little mistake. Tell me, TD do you keep your weapons locked up in a safe when you're not using them? Do you let your kids use guns unsupervised?

1) most of the stuff is locked up
2) some target shotguns are in cases in an alarmed area
3) my kid has his competition weapons in his room. we bought him a safe today which will be installed in his room so he can instantly access the weapons if he needs them and to provide hard cover in his room.
4) when his friends come over we lock his weapons up
5) I have no problem having my soon to be 15 year old have access to weapons. He has had 64 hours of formal training from the best tactical training academy within 500 miles of our house and has at least 75,000 rounds of training. this two week xmas break involved 2000 rounds of 22 lr, 400 rounds of 38 Special (revolver), 500 rounds of 9mm (mainly single action 1911 style pistol) and
1200 rounds of IPSC major level 45 ACP out of a Kimber US Shooting Team 1911 (mostly draws and practicing either double taps on multiple targets or various single round each target drills)

he also spent several hours with dummy rounds practicing speed reloads of that 45 ACP so he can compete on the USPSA circuit this summer.

He is sometimes home alone. If some assoles decide to break into the house, the dogs will give him plenty of warning. He is well trained enough to decide whether to grab his 20G pump shotgun, his AR 15 in 545x39 or a "David Bowie" custom Smith and Wesson 9mm that has a J point red dot sight on it

 

[nota bene]

Really, America seems to disprove that theory. You don't invest in education and you get crappy education.

With all due respect, I believe you're mistaken. America throws plenty of money after education...and yet, despite the investments in technology and smaller class sizes and etc., we continue to underperform comparatively.

 

[Carjosse]

With all due respect, I believe you're mistaken. America throws plenty of money after education...and yet, despite the investments in technology and smaller class sizes and etc., we continue to underperform comparatively.

Either you have a deeper societal issue or your money is not going to the right places.

 

[Jerry]

I just can't get this out of my head.....



"...With his father and a firearms instructor standing nearby, an 8-year-old Connecticut boy shot himself in the head with a submachine gun yesterday, killing himself in an accident some say should never have happened.

Christopher Bizilj was testing a 9 mm Micro Uzi at the Westfield Sportsman's Club in Westfield, Mass., as part of the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo, when he shot himself Sunday.

"The firearm instructor prepped the weapon for him, and once it was ready he handed it to the child," Westfield Police Lt. Hipolito Nunez told ABCNews.com today.

Christopher then pulled the trigger, and the gun's recoil pulled the barrel upward, causing a round to hit him on the right side of his head, according Nunez. He was pronounced dead a short time later at Baystate Medical Center in nearby Springfield...read".

8-Yr-Old Boy Shoots Self at Gun Show - ABC News


Was the gun was too big and powerful for a boy that size? I've seen gun recoils knock full grown men back on their arse....and that instructor and his father thought it was a good idea to let a little boy shoot a gun like that?

A sub machine gun, also called machine pistol.

A fully automatic weapon (a machine gun) is one that fires a succession of bullets so long as the trigger is depressed or until the ammunition supply is exhausted. In addition, any weapon that shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot automatically, more than one shot at a time by a single trigger pull, is legally considered to be a machine gun.

Submachine guns are fully automatic weapons that fire a handgun cartridge and can be operated by one person. Sometimes they are referred to as machine pistols.

A machine gun can normally fire between 400 and 1,000 rounds (bullets) per minute, or between 7 and 17 rounds per second.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html

You can't buy that in a sporting goods store. It's been banned since 1986. To have one, you need a Class-3 tax stamp. Very costly. The typical gun owner does not own this type of firearm. Very, very few people have a sub-machine gun. That is not the kind of firearm an AR15 is, and no, a 8y/o should not be handling one, supervised or not, I don't care, if you're a cop, I don't care, that type of gun is to much fr a 8 y/o to handle. if I see you put a sub machine gun in a 8y/o hand I'm gona walk over to your lane and we're gona have a problem. I don't give **** if there's badge on your chest, you take that gun away from that kid or my fist will be in your ****ing face.

What happened was perfectly predictable and is why I would freak the **** out if I saw a kid with one: It's a light, small full-auto rifle, bigger than a pistol, smaller than a rifle, great for room clearance. It's petite size is deceitful. The kid pulls the trigger, rounds start pouring out, the kid reflexively holds on tighter, which keeps the trigger down, which keeps the gun firing, and muzzle flip becomes to much, gun points up and up and up and back, kid shoots himself in the head.

Ironically, if the kid were firing a full size more powerful machine gun, this would not have happened, because the size and weight would have prevented the gun from flipping up, the gun would have been fired from a sitting or prone position (Ito large and heavy for an 8 y/o to hold). Worse case scenario is the kid would freak out and hold down the trigger effectively causing a 'run-away' effect which is easily corrected, but the bullets would be going in the right direction: AWAY, not up, not back.

Adults have no problem firing a sub machine gun, because adults generally weigh 200lbs+, have more muscle then an 8 y/o, and can easily manage the recoil for the gun's light or moderate cartrage with little trouble. maybe this is why the adults underestimated the child's ability to handle it, since an adult can handle a sub machine gun easily.

A sub machine gun is a Class-3 item, and no Class-3 item is on any assault Weapon Ban definition or list. Not many people own them now, and they're not what Obama is talking about when he referrs to guns "being taken off the street".

 

[apdst]

Either you have a deeper societal issue or your money is not going to the right places.

Or, the money that is being spent on education is going to teaching our kids to become suckers of the government tit, rather than producers within our society.

 

[Carjosse]

Or, the money that is being spent on education is going to teaching our kids to become suckers of the government tit, rather than producers within our society.

That's what you get when you spend it in the wrong place. If you spend it in the rest place, kids get the experience and skills they need to succeed.

 

[apdst]

I just can't get this out of my head.....



"...With his father and a firearms instructor standing nearby, an 8-year-old Connecticut boy shot himself in the head with a submachine gun yesterday, killing himself in an accident some say should never have happened.

Christopher Bizilj was testing a 9 mm Micro Uzi at the Westfield Sportsman's Club in Westfield, Mass., as part of the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo, when he shot himself Sunday.

"The firearm instructor prepped the weapon for him, and once it was ready he handed it to the child," Westfield Police Lt. Hipolito Nunez told ABCNews.com today.

Christopher then pulled the trigger, and the gun's recoil pulled the barrel upward, causing a round to hit him on the right side of his head, according Nunez. He was pronounced dead a short time later at Baystate Medical Center in nearby Springfield...read".

8-Yr-Old Boy Shoots Self at Gun Show - ABC News


Was the gun was too big and powerful for a boy that size? I've seen gun recoils knock full grown men back on their arse....and that instructor and his father thought it was a good idea to let a little boy shoot a gun like that?

I agree...idiots shouldn't own guns. Anyone that thinks you can openly buy a, "sub-machine gun", at a gun show is an idiot.

I've handled thousands of guns at gun shows and none of them were loaded, so I have to question the credibility of this story.

 

[apdst]

That's what you get when you spend it in the wrong place. If you spend it in the rest place, kids get the experience and skills they need to succeed.

We need to get all the Libbos out of the school system, then.

"Barrack Hussein Obama...mmm...mmm...mmm!"

 

[Carjosse]

We need to get all the Libbos out of the school system, then.

"Barrack Hussein Obama...mmm...mmm...mmm!"

Last time I checked it's not Obama's job to overhaul the education system and figure out where the money is going.

 

[Jerry]

Last time I checked it's not Obama's job to overhaul the education system and figure out where the money is going.

It's not Obama's job to overhaul healthcare or gun regulations, either.

 

[apdst]

Last time I checked it's not Obama's job to overhaul the education system and figure out where the money is going.

Right! He's only the president. He's not responsible for anything, except take credit for any good thing that happens. Short of that, it ain't his problem.