KKK group heavily outnumbered by counterprotesters at their own rally in Dayton

[ecofarm]

Then you can go ahead and support terrorist. I really don't care what you do with your free time if I'm to be honest.

That you so abide is no shock.

 

[Oborosen]

You are the one who supports the white supremacists and Neo Confederates who actually conducted a terrorist attack by desperately trying to call their victims "terrorists".

Which says a lot.

None of it good.

I'm supporting the right of free citizens to lawfully gather and benefit from their fist amendment rights. The fact that these people are racist, or something other pejorative. Has no standing on that decision.

You on the other hand are agreeing with and willfully abiding the use of violence to push a political agenda i.e supporting the terrorizing of law abiding, united states citizens.

 

[Oborosen]

That you so abide is no shock.

Same with you.

 

[ecofarm]

Same with you.

:thumbs:

 

[Tigerace117]

I'm supporting the right of free citizens to lawfully gather and benefit from their fist amendment rights. The fact that these people are racist, or something other pejorative. Has no standing on that decision.

You on the other hand are agreeing with and willfully abiding the use of violence to push a political agenda i.e supporting the terrorizing of law abiding, united states citizens.

The Klan and other neo Confederates are groups responsible for numerous terrorist attacks and "regular" murders. The Neo Nazis likewise. Crying about how persecuted you think those groups are is A) hilarious and B) lacks any basis in merit whatsoever. Their ideologies are incompatible with the constitution as it is, yet they actively seek to destroy it while hiding behind people like you who support them but think by invoking the constitution you can make yourself seem more impartial.

Spoiler alert.....it didn't work.

 

[Oborosen]

The Klan and other neo Confederates are groups responsible for numerous terrorist attacks and "regular" murders. The Neo Nazis likewise. Crying about how persecuted you think those groups are is A) hilarious and B) lacks any basis in merit whatsoever. Their ideologies are incompatible with the constitution as it is, yet they actively seek to destroy it while hiding behind people like you who support them but think by invoking the constitution you can make yourself seem more impartial.

Spoiler alert.....it didn't work.

Then let their ideologies be incompatible. That gives no one the right to physically assault them for having a difference of ideology either way, and I have no problem assigning blame when it is the element of their group that perpetrates these same crimes.

But you are willingly agreeing with the harm of others simply because they "think differently" from yourself. Yet you're claiming it's just their ideals that are incompatible with the constitution, while hiding behind such a flimsy argument as the one you are currently using.

Do you not see how screwed up that is?
Those same terrorist you support have done just the same evil as those they're attack. But you're willing to claim that they are in the right in performing their own attacks, while the right-leaning terrorist should be the only ones getting condemned here.

 

[Tigerace117]

Then let their ideologies be incompatible. That gives no one the right to physically assault them for having a difference of ideology either way, and I have no problem assigning blame when it is the element of their group that perpetrates these same crimes.

But you are willingly agreeing with the harm of others simply because they "think differently" from yourself. Yet you're claiming it's just their ideals that are incompatible with the constitution, while hiding behind such a flimsy argument as the one you are currently using.

Do you not see how screwed up that is?
Those same terrorist you support have done just the same evil as those they're attack. But you're willing to claim that they are in the right in performing their own attacks, while the right-leaning terrorist should be the only ones getting condemned here.

Oh really? Who did the woman who was murdered by your heroes "assault"? Who did she "harm"? Given that Neo Nazi ideology calls for the murder of millions of innocent people, you trying to paint them as the victims simply doesn't fly.

The Neo Confederates, meanwhile, are the same kind of folks who attacked actual peaceful marchers in Selma.

There was only one group of terrorists there, and they were the ones who murdered a woman.

 

[ecofarm]

Oh really? Who did the woman who was murdered by your heroes "assault"? Who did she "harm"? Given that Neo Nazi ideology calls for the murder of millions of innocent people, you trying to paint them as the victims simply doesn't fly.

The Neo Confederates, meanwhile, are the same kind of folks who attacked actual peaceful marchers in Selma.

There was only one group of terrorists there, and they were the ones who murdered a woman.

He's not gonna stop supporting nazis. It'll always be "what about freedom" for nazis and no one else. Well, sometimes it'll be "they're the same thing".

 

[Oborosen]

Oh really? Who did the woman who was murdered by your heroes "assault"? Who did she "harm"? Given that Neo Nazi ideology calls for the murder of millions of innocent people, you trying to paint them as the victims simply doesn't fly.

The Neo Confederates, meanwhile, are the same kind of folks who attacked actual peaceful marchers in Selma.

There was only one group of terrorists there, and they were the ones who murdered a woman.

First of all, they are not "my heroes" and your repeated attempts to paint them as such are actually rather sickening, if I'm to be honest.
Because it reveals just how little morality you possess in the subject alone. Heyer on the other hand was a protestor, caught in the conflict sparked by the left wing terrorist. Not sparked by the right. It's sad, yes. But had the left not outright assaulted the rally attendants. Fields would never of had to attempt escaping an attacking mob and she would not have died.

Also, these Nazis are not "THE" Nazis of world war two and to keep trying to conflate the two is pointless endeavor. Those people in Charlottesville however, that the left wing terrorist attacked. Where actual victims of a terrorist attack.

The neo confederates who attacked those people in Selma, have rightfully been addressed. Yet those people were not the actual ones in Charlottesville.

Yes, an act that your terrorist eagerly partook in. When they unlawfully attacked a relatively peaceful rally.

Support the terrorist all you like. That doesn't change what happened on that day.

Can you honestly tell me that if the left wing terrorist didn't' show up. Heather Heyer would've still died and Fields would still be her murderer?

 

[bomberfox]

This thread shows me why more counter demonstrations like this are needed.

 

[Tigerace117]

First of all, they are not "my heroes" and your repeated attempts to paint them as such are actually rather sickening, if I'm to be honest.
Because it reveals just how little morality you possess in the subject alone. Heyer on the other hand was a protestor, caught in the conflict sparked by the left wing terrorist. Not sparked by the right. It's sad, yes. But had the left not outright assaulted the rally attendants. Fields would never of had to attempt escaping an attacking mob and she would not have died.

Also, these Nazis are not "THE" Nazis of world war two and to keep trying to conflate the two is pointless endeavor. Those people in Charlottesville however, that the left wing terrorist attacked. Where actual victims of a terrorist attack.

The neo confederates who attacked those people in Selma, have rightfully been addressed. Yet those people were not the actual ones in Charlottesville.

Yes, an act that your terrorist eagerly partook in. When they unlawfully attacked a relatively peaceful rally.

Support the terrorist all you like. That doesn't change what happened on that day.

Can you honestly tell me that if the left wing terrorist didn't' show up. Heather Heyer would've still died and Fields would still be her murderer?

Gee, on one hand you cry about how "sickened" you are; on the other, you repeatedly defend these groups, you defend segregation in the military, something which was never worthwhile or useful in the first place, you tried to declare the victims of klan terrorism as "terrorists" themselves...... your posturing fails to hold any sort of water.

Heyer was a protestor murdered because your heroes are brutal thugs who resort to murder as their first and last option.

"Attempting escaping an attacking mob" what a load of crap. Fields drove directly at the protestors because he wanted to kill them, not because he was "trying to escape a mob" like his defenders claim.

No, they just worship the Nazis of World War Two and wish to emulate them. The fact that that Neo Nazis are modern day people, rather than some horde of zombies stumbling around, is not any sort of defense or justification for their crimes, and it's really weird that you think it is.

Yes, your heroes launched a terrorist attack and an innocent person died as a result.

Yes, Neo Nazis have proven time and again they don't need opposition to launch a terrorist attack. All they need is an excuse.

 

[bomberfox]

First of all, they are not "my heroes" and your repeated attempts to paint them as such are actually rather sickening, if I'm to be honest.
Because it reveals just how little morality you possess in the subject alone. Heyer on the other hand was a protestor, caught in the conflict sparked by the left wing terrorist. Not sparked by the right. It's sad, yes. But had the left not outright assaulted the rally attendants. Fields would never of had to attempt escaping an attacking mob and she would not have died.

Also, these Nazis are not "THE" Nazis of world war two and to keep trying to conflate the two is pointless endeavor. Those people in Charlottesville however, that the left wing terrorist attacked. Where actual victims of a terrorist attack.

The neo confederates who attacked those people in Selma, have rightfully been addressed. Yet those people were not the actual ones in Charlottesville.

Yes, an act that your terrorist eagerly partook in. When they unlawfully attacked a relatively peaceful rally.

Support the terrorist all you like. That doesn't change what happened on that day.

Can you honestly tell me that if the left wing terrorist didn't' show up. Heather Heyer would've still died and Fields would still be her murderer?

The counter protestors didnt attack first. The nazis came in with armament meant to kill as many people as possible. The UTR marchers went outside their designated zone to attack a multi ethnic church and brawl with people. Yes i can tell you unequivocally that nazis will kill you even if you dont provoke them. Nazism is a literal death cult and they wont ever be satisfied until certain people cease to exist. The trial of James Alex Fields jr bears this out. Quit defending the indefensible and you might not get called a nazi sympathizer.

Nazis believe in things that are not only antithetical to the constitution, but antithetical to the existence of the majority of Americans.

 

[bomberfox]

Gee, on one hand you cry about how "sickened" you are; on the other, you repeatedly defend these groups, you defend segregation in the military, something which was never worthwhile or useful in the first place, you tried to declare the victims of klan terrorism as "terrorists" themselves...... your posturing fails to hold any sort of water.

Heyer was a protestor murdered because your heroes are brutal thugs who resort to murder as their first and last option.

"Attempting escaping an attacking mob" what a load of crap. Fields drove directly at the protestors because he wanted to kill them, not because he was "trying to escape a mob" like his defenders claim.

No, they just worship the Nazis of World War Two and wish to emulate them. The fact that that Neo Nazis are modern day people, rather than some horde of zombies stumbling around, is not any sort of defense or justification for their crimes, and it's really weird that you think it is.

Yes, your heroes launched a terrorist attack and an innocent person died as a result.

Yes, Neo Nazis have proven time and again they don't need opposition to launch a terrorist attack. All they need is an excuse.

Oofh hes spouting pure reactionary garbage at that point.

 

[Josie]

Anyone that doesn't fall for the media narrative that the KKK is a huge organization in 2019.

Exactly. It's no surprise that there were barely any there. Unless, of course, you think white nationalists are everywhere now simply because you dislike the policies of the current President.

 

[bomberfox]

A key difference between neo nazis and the counter protestors is the counters recognize the humanity of the ones they protest. They just want nazis to stop following their ideology and will more than likely try to give people an out who need it (leaving a death cult is incredibly difficult as that will drive the ire of other cultists who will try to kill the one leaving). Nazis on the other hand will never be satisfied until their “blood is freed from degeneracy, etc.” (yes they worshipped at the altar of eugenics) aka, until unfavorable people cease to exist.

 

[bomberfox]

Exactly. It's no surprise that there were barely any there. Unless, of course, you think white nationalists are everywhere now simply because you dislike the policies of the current President.

“You dont believe in god cause you hate god” checkmate atheists!

 

[Bodi]

I am stunned at all this anger towards a group of ordinary citizens that want to lawfully march and express their Constitutional Right to Freedom of Speech.

 

[Bodi]

A key difference between neo nazis and the counter protestors is the counters recognize the humanity of the ones they protest. They just want nazis to stop following their ideology and will more than likely try to give people an out who need it (leaving a death cult is incredibly difficult as that will drive the ire of other cultists who will try to kill the one leaving). Nazis on the other hand will never be satisfied until their “blood is freed from degeneracy, etc.” (yes they worshipped at the altar of eugenics) aka, until unfavorable people cease to exist.

So hate is OK if it is on the side that you agree with... got it.

 

[Josie]

“You dont believe in god cause you hate god” checkmate atheists!

What?

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

What?

There was a few years ago a video on Youtube in which the host would argue points for the support of their being a god, and after each point he would say Checkpoint atheists. I can not remember if it was a serious thing or a parody, but believe it was a serious thing

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

I am stunned at all this anger towards a group of ordinary citizens that want to lawfully march and express their Constitutional Right to Freedom of Speech.

Don't Hate the Haters?

 

[Bodi]

Don't Hate the Haters?

Hate will only create more hate... combat hate with compassion, respect and love.

 

[bomberfox]

I am stunned at all this anger towards a group of ordinary citizens that want to lawfully march and express their Constitutional Right to Freedom of Speech.

That can oddly be taken both ways. Theres a lot of outrage in this thread about counter protestors expressing their constitutional rights . Well played.

 

[bomberfox]

What?

Its the same excuse fundies use against their critics.

 

[Bodi]

That can oddly be taken both ways. Theres a lot of outrage in this thread about counter protestors expressing their constitutional rights . Well played.

Why... thank you, thank you very much. :mrgreen: