Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US to face criminal charges: Sources

[Deuce]

Due process was followed. The only issue was being sent to the wrong country.

"Oh it's fine we just did exactly 100% the thing we were told not to do" yeah ok buddy

 

[ncguy]

Due process was followed. The only issue was being sent to the wrong country.

if due process was followed correctly, he wouldn't have been sent to the wrong country, nor would scotus have ruled 9 zip to have him brought back.

 

[TamleeB]

Putting due process in scare quotes realllyy gives a lot away about you, and none of it is good.

Oh no…whatever will I do, Deuce insulted me.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Due process was followed. The only issue was being sent to the wrong country.

That’s not how the Supreme Court ruled. The Courts have made it clear due process was not followed.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Actually, it is accurate. Garcia will get his day in court.

It isn't no matter how many times you say it is, but I guess you're going to go down the "intentionally obtuse" angle which is worse than the "idiot" angle, since at least one can forgive an idiot for not knowing better.

 

[TamleeB]

It isn't no matter how many times you say it is, but I guess you're going to go down the "intentionally obtuse" angle which is worse than the "idiot" course, since at least one can forgive an idiot for not knowing better.

I am good with my stance. If you struggle…too bad. I have stated the fact that Garcia will get his day in court. Which is accurate.

 

[ElChupacabra]

I am good with my stance. If you struggle…too bad. I have stated the fact that Garcia will get his day in court. Which is accurate.

In the way a BLT and tuna clubs are both sandwiches, sure. In that they are the same thing, no. But it seems that level of distinction is one you choose to be intentionally obtuse about, so I'll leave it there.

 

[TamleeB]

In the way a BLT and tuna clubs are both sandwiches, sure. In that they are the same thing, no. But it seems that level of distinction is one you choose to be intentionally obtuse about, so I'll leave it there.

Personally, I am not a fan of the BLT. but others are.
Garcia is going to get his day in court. Thankfully. And I will leave it there.

 

[Lursa]

Personally, I am not a fan of the BLT. but others are.
Garcia is going to get his day in court. Thankfully. And I will leave it there.

"Thankfully?" You were concerned about it before this? Please remind us of your posts criticizing this administration for sending him to a prison in El Salvador with no due process. Quotes? There were several threads. And we have a great forum Search feature.

It’s all good. America clearly made their viewpoint clear when they elected Trump. This man was NOT here legally, and is back in his home Country.

You can continue on your current path. Garcia is where he belongs.

You have not. You keep repeating the same nonsense that has nothing to do with the case, as has already been pointed out by numerous courts. There's doubling down on dumb, and then there's what you're doing which is proving to be worse. But I guess to communicate in a style you might understand:

Those under withholding status preventing them from being deported to their home country shouldn't be sent back to their home country, correct?

I am good with you believing it is “nonsense”. I stated facts.

Tsk tsk tsk. Rewriting forum history doesnt look good on you.

 

[ClaraD]

They will be considered incompetent if they lose in their prosecution of Garcia. If they win, you won't like that either.
Either way, in the minds of anti-Trumpers, it's a lose-lose situation for the DOJ.
Such is anti-illegal-migrant politics.

There is no evidence of human trafficking. The Trooper didn’t even obtain legal status on the passengers and did not arrest him then or anyone else. ICE didn’t show up either

 

[ClaraD]

I'm looking at the broader picture.
You're fixated on some insignificant migrant who got caught up in a sweep of gang-bangers targeted for deportation.
Now he's a cause celebre.

He wasn’t caught up in a sweep of gang bangers for ****s sake the sweep was on day laborers in a Home Depot parking lot

 

[ClaraD]

It might be possible to find a third country, yet Garcia is likely to become a convicted felon. IMHO, Garcia should have self-deported to some other nation, but with US felony convictions that will likely be harder for him (or the US) to do.

Id say its not very likely he will be convicted.

 

[jaypatriot]

Id say its not very likely he will be convicted.

You have evidence which says he is NOT a human trafficker/smuggler?

 

[cAPSLOCK]

I listened to the press conference live, and this jumped out:

1] " . . . humans, children, and women."

What? She (Bondi) said the italicized during her monologue. I'm sure she misspoke. But it was so Freudianly MAGA!

Are you certain you know what she meant by that?

Please correct me, (and forgive me) if i am misunderstanding you. But I am guessing your inference here is she sees humans, women and children as three entirely separate things. Not overlapping. And the "Freudianly MAGA" part is the subtle suggestion that women and children are not human?

Putting aside the fact she dehumanizes herself if that is so, is it not reasonable she means humans in general... as in human trafficking? And she specifies women and children as the subsets who are the victims?

The reason I bring this up is I feel like there isn't really evidence that she meant it the other way.

 

[ClaraD]

I highly doubt Trump or his DOJ would have conjured up this very sensitive story about a wife-beating migrant who was swept up with a bunch of gang-banging Venezuelans.
The Left did it in order to attack Trump with something else to distract from the other things Trump is trying to do.
They made a very good case in support of Garcia.
Now Pam Bondi and the DOJ are put into a small box where they need to justify why they went after Garcia and brought him back from the hell of El Salvador.

Yeah they didn’t conjure up anything yet not a single person other than the guy they had to bring back is charged and he was transporting someone to work for a company he worked for as part of his job. I doubt the trooper confirmed legal statuses of the people in the van which would be required to prove a violation and further it would fail based on a previous decision like this one. Transport ina work van as required by your employer is nota violation of the statute.

https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/348791/united-states-v-encarnacion-moreno/

 

[ClaraD]

You have evidence which says he is NOT a human trafficker/smuggler?

You need to prove he was. He told the trooper that night they work for a construction company and were going to a job site. No one was arrested and no ticket was issued. No legal statuses were determined and ICE did not arrest anyone.
And transportation to work as part of the job description doesn’t fit the statute because it states KNOWINGLY…which another employee would not know a person’s legal status.

 

[NWRatCon]

Oh no…whatever will I do, Deuce insulted me.

You could go away in shame and embarrassment, and never show your face again.... we'd all be grateful for that.

 

[snakestretcher]

Due process was followed. The only issue was being sent to the wrong country.

No, due process was not followed. He had no hearing, the 2019 court-ordered leave to remain was violated, and he was simply thrown on a plane and dumped in the country he fled from, fearing attacks by the very gang he was falsely accused of being member of, and why he fled to the US in the first place.

 

[reinaert]

But there's a list longer than my forearm of other crap that will be brought up at trial related to his gang affiliations.
I did't see this coming. He was convicted by a grand jury in TN. The number of hours proving this case quietly under the radar is amazing.
The "Maryland Dad" is toast and the left is too.

Ffs, Grand juries don't convict.

 

[TamleeB]

"Thankfully?" You were concerned about it before this? Please remind us of your posts criticizing this administration for sending him to a prison in El Salvador with no due process. Quotes? There were several threads. And we have a great forum Search feature.







Tsk tsk tsk. Rewriting forum history doesnt look good on you.

Ahhh…new tactic I see. Now you are asking “me” to “prove” I critiqued the administration for sending an illegal alien back to his home. I feel no need to rewrite my history. None whatsoever.

 

[ClaraD]

Ahhh…new tactic I see. Now you are asking “me” to “prove” I critiqued the administration for sending an illegal alien back to his home. I feel no need to rewrite my history. None whatsoever.

If a person was here with a work permit, order AGAINST removal and a social security number thats a clue they aren’t undocumented

 

[NWRatCon]

Ffs, Grand juries don't convict.

The level of ignorance (and deceptive posting) among the MAGA crowd of basic civics is astounding. They don't know what due process means. They don't know how criminal procedures are conducted. They don't know what, and how limited, the powers of the presidency are. They don't know what courts do. They don't know how legislation becomes law. It explains Trump better than anything else can.

 

[NWRatCon]

Ahhh…new tactic I see. Now you are asking “me” to “prove” I critiqued the administration for sending an illegal alien back to his home. I feel no need to rewrite my history. None whatsoever.

Ah, so now you don't want to admit to lying... how convenient. It's too late, though. You've already been caught out.

 

[jaypatriot]

You need to prove he was. He told the trooper that night they work for a construction company and were going to a job site. No one was arrested and no ticket was issued. No legal statuses were determined and ICE did not arrest anyone.
And transportation to work as part of the job description doesn’t fit the statute because it states KNOWINGLY…which another employee would not know a person’s legal status.

Of course you're going to believe Garcia. Why wouldn't you? Yours is a form of protest against the Administration.
It will be interesting to see how the DOJ presents hard information chronicling up to 100 trips made by Garcia to transport illegal aliens around the country.
The Dems want to make Garcia the poster boy for illegal aliens being terrorized by Trump's DHS. We'll see how that turns out. They will get their day in court for this upstanding illegal "family man" who should not have been sent to El Salvador in the first place.

 

[jaypatriot]

Yeah they didn’t conjure up anything yet not a single person other than the guy they had to bring back is charged and he was transporting someone to work for a company he worked for as part of his job. I doubt the trooper confirmed legal statuses of the people in the van which would be required to prove a violation and further it would fail based on a previous decision like this one. Transport ina work van as required by your employer is nota violation of the statute.

https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/348791/united-states-v-encarnacion-moreno/

As they say in politics: It will all come out in the wash.
If I am wrong and the DOJ fails to make its case, then I will say I was wrong.