Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US to face criminal charges: Sources

[hecatmoggie]

Ya, if the Trump Administration had complied with 8 USC 1231 back in 2019 we wouldn't have this problem.

Once the Immigration Judge had found against asylum, and then placed the hold on deportation to El Salvador - all the Trump Administration had to do was identify a 3rd country that would voluntarily take him, then go back to the Immigration Judge and get the hold lifted.

They decided to do nothing and in fact issued Abrego Garcia legal authorization to work.

Do repeat, the Trump Administration could have deported him in 2019 but chose not to do anything.

WW

after coming here illegally
being arrested for drugs, affiliated with gangs and human trafficking
wife beating


these are the people Democrats love to protect vs US citizens under the "who's going to pick our crops" guise

so how much money? $250,000 for all the judges/lawyers/court costs, jail time etc ?

 

[hecatmoggie]

It was a TACO administration **** up and SCOTUS is the one trying to hold them to the law, so your fantasy about Dems is 100% false. Is the TACO administration supposed to follow the law? Follow SCOTUS rulings? Follow the Constitution?

And for the 3rd time, I answered your question. Actually, both of them. I see your selective reading comprehension has kicked in again. It allows you to try and hide, that's true.

how many GOP went to visit the guy in El Salvador? how many GOP fought to get Garcia back ?

now, list the Democrats who did

I'm guessing you think $150,000 is around the right amount/cost to US taxpayers. Are you not thrilled ?

 

[Lursa]

how many GOP went to visit the guy in El Salvador? how many GOP fought to get Garcia back ?

None that I know of, all seemed to back TACO's unconstitutional actions avoiding SCOTUS rulings. Scurvy cowardly, anti-American bunch, eh?

now, list the Democrats who did

Forget his name, but good on him.

I'm guessing you think $150,000 is around the right amount/cost to US taxpayers. Are you not thrilled ?

So you have no idea? And you're still pretending I didnt answer your other questions? Lame.

 

[hecatmoggie]

None that I know of, all seemed to back TACO's unconstitutional actions avoiding SCOTUS rulings. Scurvy cowardly, anti-American bunch, eh?

right, liberals/Democrats , not GOP/conservatives

Forget his name, but good on him.

fight hard for non-citizens, spend $150,000 in USA taxpayer money on an illegal immigrant with drug/human trafficking charge, gang affiliation and wife beating

nice - the poster child for your party

So you have no idea? And you're still pretending I didnt answer your other questions? Lame.

I never saw you answer - apologies ... what post/what $$ number did you give ?

 

[ncguy]

how many GOP went to visit the guy in El Salvador? how many GOP fought to get Garcia back ?

now, list the Democrats who did

I'm guessing you think $150,000 is around the right amount/cost to US taxpayers. Are you not thrilled ?

Yes Republicans don't care about the Constitution

 

[NWRatCon]

Ya, if the Trump Administration had complied with 8 USC 1231 back in 2019 we wouldn't have this problem.

Once the Immigration Judge had found against asylum, and then placed the hold on deportation to El Salvador - all the Trump Administration had to do was identify a 3rd country that would voluntarily take him, then go back to the Immigration Judge and get the hold lifted.

They decided to do nothing and in fact issued Abrego Garcia legal authorization to work.

Do repeat, the Trump Administration could have deported him in 2019 but chose not to do anything.

WW

Completely agree, but point of order, the authority to deport to a 3rd country is limited. Indeed, it has often been done in contravention of US law, but more often by voluntary relocation.

Immigrants challenge government effort to deport them to third-party countries (SCOTUSblog)​

There are also treaty issues (that seem to be being ignored, here) that prohibit such removal. This is especially true of those being sent to El Salvador's CECOT facility, which are blatant violations of both federal law and international law, in addition to constitutional violations.

Legal Framework:

• 8 USC 1231(b)(2)(E)(vii):
  This section allows the DHS to disregard the designated country of removal and seek removal to a third country if it is "impracticable, inadvisable, or impossible" to remove the non-citizen to the designated country.
  
  
• "Safe Third Country" Agreements:
  Section 1158 of Title 8, US Code, outlines conditions under which an alien may be removed to a "safe third country," meaning a country where their life or freedom would not be threatened and they would have access to a full and fair asylum procedure.
  

Procedural Protections:

• Notice and Opportunity to be Heard:
  DHS must provide non-citizens with notice of the third country to which they may be removed and a chance to express fears of persecution or torture before they can be deported.
• Screening for Torture:
  If the third country has not assured the United States that the non-citizen will not be tortured, DHS must conduct a screening to determine the likelihood of torture.
• Due Process:
  The Supreme Court of the United States has recognized that due process rights apply to third-country deportations, requiring notice and an opportunity to challenge the removal.

D.V.D. v. U.S. Department of Homeland Security​

25-10676 - D.V.D. et al v. U.S. Department of Homeland Security et al​

"Defendants are ENJOINED from deporting any alien with a final order of removal to any country not explicitly provided for on the alien's order of removal without first providing to that alien the due-process guarantees set forth in pages 46-47 of the accompanying Memorandum and Order. Additionally, the Court ORDERS expedited discovery on whether and in what form Plaintiff O.C.G. received notice of his removal to a third country and ORDERS the parties to file a joint status update addressing a proposed discovery plan by April 25, 2025. The parties should be prepared to discuss this issue during the status conference scheduled for April 28, 2025, at 11:00 a.m. (BIB)"
(On appeal to 1st Circuit Court of Appeals.)

 

[Variant]

if it wasn't for liberals, Garcia would be out of country in a prison somewhere likely

if it wasn't got Garcia coming here illegally, none of this would be happening

you see the core problems right ?

Trump had the option to deport the man legally, or he had the option to try him here legally, so it seems you don't see the problem that he decided to instead make it into a national issue by deporting him illegally.

This isn't a "liberals" problem. It's a "the executive can't seem to be bothered to follow laws" problem.

 

[Lursa]

right, liberals/Democrats , not GOP/conservatives

You just wrote the opposite. The left/Democrats were following, and trying to get TACO to follow, the law the entire time. You just cheered the GOP for fighting the law and the Const.

Are you unable to follow the conversation?

fight hard for non-citizens, spend $150,000 in USA taxpayer money on an illegal immigrant with drug/human trafficking charge, gang affiliation and wife beating

nice - the poster child for your party

Fighting hard for justice and the Constitution.

Look how over-the-top defensive you've gotten...looking in that MAGA mirror is pretty painful eh? Seeing that the right is no longer the party of patriotism and the Const but instead chooses to serve a king? ........

I never saw you answer - apologies ... what post/what $$ number did you give ?

Just follow the arrows back. Not spending more time jumping thru your hoops when all you can do is lie.

 

[justoneman]

Here's all the documentation regarding the due process this knucklehead received - https://www.supremecourt.gov/Docket...20250407103341248_Kristi Noem application.pdf

One regular hearing. One appeal and a removal order that prohibited removal to Guatemala, not El Salvador.

Now, because Xinis thinks she's the ultimate authority in government, he gets to come back here to get a criminal trial too. When he's found guilty all the removal stuff will STILL apply and he'll still end up deported. That's one heck of a "win" for ya!

Haha. Maryland man!

And the allegations against Abrego Garcia are damning. A federal grand jury found that the 29-year-old was an MS-13 member who transported thousands of undocumented immigrants, including children, from Texas to states across the country for profit for nine years. He allegedly also transported firearms and drugs, abused female migrants and was linked to an incident in Mexico where a tractor-trailer overturned and killed 50 migrants.

The questions raised by the new charges against Kilmar Abrego Garcia

The potential political fallout for Democrats and why a federal prosecutor resigned days before the indictment remain unanswered.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Jason Warfield]

Great. Xinis will get the case and she will, in her authority as some judge, grant him citizenship ad expunge his record. DoJ will appeal and everything she did will be tossed. Garcia, if we can still find him, will be rounded up and deported again but at least all the liberals will be happy that they accomplished nothing in all of this.

We will be happy that due process has occurred. As per the rule of law based upon the Constitution in the United States of America.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Yes Republicans don't care about the Constitution

how's your views on guns ? since we're all "Constitutional" and everything

 

[hecatmoggie]

Trump had the option to deport the man legally, or he had the option to try him here legally, so it seems you don't see the problem that he decided to instead make it into a national issue by deporting him illegally.

This isn't a "liberals" problem. It's a "the executive can't seem to be bothered to follow laws" problem.

no, its a Democrats spending $$$$$$$$$$ of taxpayers money for a gang member who came here illegally, involved in drug and human trafficking and wife beating

 

[hecatmoggie]

Just follow the arrows back. Not spending more time jumping thru your hoops when all you can do is lie.

so you posted nothing - gotcha

 

[Variant]

no, its a Democrats spending $$$$$$$$$$ of taxpayers money for a gang member who came here illegally, involved in drug and human trafficking and wife beating

How is Trump unessisarily breaking several laws when he had the opportunity to just deport the guy or try him here the fault of Democrats?

 

[hecatmoggie]

How is Trump unessisarily breaking several laws when he had the opportunity to just deport the guy or try him here the fault of Democrats?

Democrats have made this their hill to fight from - a person who illegally came to the USA, gang affiliated, wife beater, drug trafficking and human trafficking ... this is who Democrats want to spend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ of taxpayer dollars on


be happy , embrace the Democrat party !

 

[justoneman]

We will be happy that due process has occurred. As per the rule of law based upon the Constitution in the United States of America.

You are confused. This rendition is not a trial about deportation. It is a criminal trial for very high level crimes. Once again you guys are on the wrong side of an issue. American voters are tired of you mostly peaceful protests and your backing of criminals. This scum bag will be convicted of crimes and hopefully sent back to El Salvador and not our prison.

 

[Variant]

Democrats have made this their hill to fight from - a person who illegally came to the USA, gang affiliated, wife beater, drug trafficking and human trafficking ... this is who Democrats want to spend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ of taxpayer dollars on


be happy , embrace the Democrat party !

That the president should follow the constitution and the law is a pretty good line in the sand.

The fact that people like you dont seem to share in the worry over a rouge executive is concerning bit were past the point where someone like me expects someone like you to have any principles.

 

[Lursa]

so you posted nothing - gotcha

If you want to lie to get out of your failed argument...feel free

They'll remain for anyone else to consider...unchallenged.

 

[hecatmoggie]

If you want to lie to get out of your failed argument...feel free

They'll remain for anyone else to consider...unchallenged.

who's not being honest ? or maybe you didn't use the $ ? when someone asks to show the post you're pointing too, its courtesy to give it

unless it wasn't there to begin with ? its easy - point me to the post ... if you have a $ amount I'll apologize. Seems very easy enough

 

[Lursa]

who's not being honest ? or maybe you didn't use the $ ? when someone asks to show the post you're pointing too, its courtesy to give it

unless it wasn't there to begin with ? its easy - point me to the post ... if you have a $ amount I'll apologize. Seems very easy enough

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Look how over-the-top defensive you've gotten...looking in that MAGA mirror is pretty painful eh? Seeing that the right is no longer the party of patriotism and the Const but instead chooses to serve a king? ........

Even easier: Just follow the arrows back. Not spending more time jumping thru your hoops when all you can do is lie.

 

[ElChupacabra]

You are confused. This rendition is not a trial about deportation. It is a criminal trial for very high level crimes. Once again you guys are on the wrong side of an issue. American voters are tired of you mostly peaceful protests and your backing of criminals. This scum bag will be convicted of crimes and hopefully sent back to El Salvador and not our prison.

Such high level crimes that were not brought before; so strange and oddly convenient. This was such a high level crime that neither the THP nor the FBI thought to have him and the others arrested, yet now there's a case against him. This might fool the folks who are easily fooled by bait and switch games, but not so much for everyone else. As for being "on the wrong side of the issue", that again is one divided between those who parroted the administration's talking points and those who saw right through them.

 

[reinaert]

Such high level crimes that were not brought before; so strange and oddly convenient. This was such a high level crime that neither the THP nor the FBI thought to have him and the others arrested, yet now there's a case against him. This might fool the folks who are easily fooled by bait and switch games, but not so much for everyone else.

I think our right wing friends really want this to be about character and criminality. Then they can coo themselves into looking away from violations against person, liberty, rights and immunities.

It doesn't matter if Garcia was a doechebag who engaged in illicit acts. It matters that his due process are our due process.

 

[hecatmoggie]

I think our right wing friends really want this to be about character and criminality. Then they can coo themselves into looking away from violations against person, liberty, rights and immunities.

It doesn't matter if Garcia was a doechebag who engaged in illicit acts. It matters that his due process are our due process.

did he follow due process when he came here illegally ?

a simple yes or no

 

[reinaert]

did he follow due process when he came here illegally ?

a simple yes or no

That's not how due process works, guy. Due process is owed by the state, and governments, not by those subject to their jurisdiction.

Were you also the one who was sure grand juries produce convictions?

 

[hecatmoggie]

That's not how due process works, guy. Due process is owed by the state, and governments, not by those subject to their jurisdiction.

Were you also the one who was sure grand juries produce convictions?

there is a process for coming to the USA legally - Garcia chose to ignore it

he came here illegally
gang affiliated
human trafficking affiliated
drug affiliated
wife beater


liberals love him - they'll spend $100,000 or $150,000 or more in taxpayer dollars for him