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Kill Jews, Get Your Own State

Why do you Hamas supporters indulge in such idiotic invective.
It’s difficult dealing with people who don’t have a clue that Hamas and Palestinians aren’t interchangeable words. Republicans seem to have the same problem with communism and socialism. You can’t fix stupidity like that.
 
An offer made 20 yrs ago is not very relevant today.
It is effective in undermining claims that Israel has no interest in a two state solution.


And if the offer was good, it would have gained support and moved forward.
The offers were good.


But As I've Shown you Now Several Times, Israel is not interested in any 2 state solution.
Even though years ago, some other leader may have considered it.
So what you are trying to say is that Israel is not currently interested in a two state solution?

That word "currently" makes a big difference.


Rape and Murder? Is this Another fake claim you make without evidence.
None of my claims are ever fake.


You mean, Israel just wants to slowly kill off Palestinians? That's what is really going on. That's why they block food and aid.
What Israel wants is the Palestinians to leave them alone and stop raping and murdering them.
 
Why do you genocide supporters indulge in such idiotic invective?
Hamas only WANTS to commit genocide against Jews as it states in its very charter. It lacks the capability is all.

What gave you the idea that I support them?
 
It is effective in undermining claims that Israel has no interest in a two state solution.



The offers were good.



So what you are trying to say is that Israel is not currently interested in a two state solution?

That word "currently" makes a big difference.



None of my claims are ever fake.



What Israel wants is the Palestinians to leave them alone and stop raping and murdering them.
IT. IS. NOT.
Today's Israel leaders, as I proved to you several times, has no interest in a 2 state solution.

I've provide links to back my claim up.
You provide an opinion and some facts that are 20 yrs old.
 
IT. IS. NOT.
Today's Israel leaders, as I proved to you several times, has no interest in a 2 state solution.
I've provide links to back my claim up.
If you want to say that Israel currently has no interest in a two state solution, that is one thing.

If you want to say that Israel has no interest in a two state solution, that is belied by their long history of seeking a two state solution.


You provide an opinion and some facts that are 20 yrs old.
No opinion. Just the 20 year old facts.
 
If you want to say that Israel currently has no interest in a two state solution, that is one thing.

If you want to say that Israel has no interest in a two state solution, that is belied by their long history of seeking a two state solution.



No opinion. Just the 20 year old facts.
20 yrs ago isn' relevant today. Many from then are dead.

I posted you, several times, what Israel position on a 2 state solution is. With a link to show.

You haven't shown any difference to counter that. Except for a 20 yr old opinion. Facts for today, refer to today. Not 20 yrs ago.
 
Proof? No.

From its inception, Hamas has overseen a social welfare network that appears to have aided its popularity among Palestinians while serving ..

Recent reports indicate that Hamas-run municipalities in Gaza have taken initial steps to address infrastructure damage, including clearing rubble and repairing roads
 
20 yrs ago isn' relevant today. Many from then are dead.
If you want to make blanket statements about Israel's positions, then their longstanding positions are relevant.


I posted you, several times, what Israel position on a 2 state solution is. With a link to show.
Perhaps their current position. It certainly has not always been their position.


You haven't shown any difference to counter that. Except for a 20 yr old opinion.
I provided 20 year old facts.


Facts for today, refer to today. Not 20 yrs ago.
Then you should make it clear that you are only referring to today. If you make misleading statements about Israel's past, people are likely to speak up and correct you.
 
Craig has a friend.

Look at the closed loop of oppression right-wing genocide apologist freaks have created:

- Palestinians cannot have a state.
- Hamas emerges as a natural function of Palestinians not having a state (and is propped up by Israel).
- We can't give Palestinians the right to self-determination because of Hamas.
- Hamas is illegitimate because Palestinians don't have a state (therefore making Hamas a 'terrorist' group).
- Therefore, Palestinians cannot have a state.

How do you guys sleep at night?
 
- We can't give Palestinians the right to self-determination because of Hamas.
You really are history challenged.

Hamas came into power shortly after Gaza was given the "self-determination" to elect its own leadership. Palestinians in Gaza elected their own legislature in 2006, and Hamas was voted in on their destroy Israel platform.
 
You really are history challenged.

Hamas came into power shortly after Gaza was given the "self-determination" to elect its own leadership. Palestinians in Gaza elected their own legislature in 2006, and Hamas was voted in on their destroy Israel platform.

No, you're history ignorant. And in fact you're embarrassing yourself on a scale that I've rarely seen with such confidence. Gaza was an open air prison after 2006. It was not free, it was not a state, and the fact Israel could shut down its resources with a flick of switch is proof of that.

I hope you're more well-verse in other areas that you try to opine on, but so far I've been unimpressed. Just display an amazing amount of ignorance in very few words.
 
No, you're history ignorant. And in fact you're embarrassing yourself on a scale that I've rarely seen with such confidence. Gaza was an open air prison after 2006. It was not free, it was not a state, and the fact Israel could shut down its resources with a flick of switch is proof of that.

I hope you're more well-verse in other areas that you try to opine on, but so far I've been unimpressed. Just display an amazing amount of ignorance in very few words.

Did or did not Israel withdraw from Gaza after 2006?
 
By whom? Israel withdrew.

Legal Status Under International Law​

Under international humanitarian law, particularly Article 42 of the Hague Regulations, a territory is considered occupied when it is “actually placed under the authority of the hostile army,” and occupation persists as long as such authority can be exercised, even in the absence of a permanent military presence on the ground. This principle has been affirmed by numerous authoritative bodies:

  • The United Nations, International Court of Justice (ICJ), International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), European Union, and Human Rights Watch all maintain that Israel remains the occupying power in Gaza.
  • In a July 2024 advisory opinion, the ICJ ruled that Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories, including Gaza, did not end in 2005. The Court emphasized that the decisive criterion is not physical presence but the ability to exercise key elements of authority—such as control over borders, airspace, and movement—which Israel continues to exert.
  • The UN Special Rapporteur and Amnesty International have described Israel’s control as an “indirect occupation” or “de facto occupation,” noting that Gaza remains economically and administratively dependent on Israel for water, electricity, telecommunications, and trade.

The Role of the Blockade and Hamas​

Following Hamas’s victory in the 2006 Palestinian legislative elections and its subsequent takeover of Gaza in 2007, Israel, in coordination with Egypt, imposed a comprehensive blockade on the territory. This blockade severely restricts the movement of people and goods, effectively sealing Gaza off from the outside world. While Israel justifies the blockade on security grounds—citing repeated rocket attacks and militant activity—the UN and human rights groups argue that it constitutes collective punishment, which is prohibited under the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Despite Hamas’s governance of Gaza since 2007, the international community largely rejects Israel’s claim that Gaza is no longer occupied. The argument is that effective control, not governance, determines occupation. Israel retains the ability to launch military operations at will, as demonstrated during multiple conflicts (2008–09, 2012, 2014, 2021) and during the ongoing war that began after the October 7, 2023, Hamas attack.


 

Legal Status Under International Law​

Under international humanitarian law, particularly Article 42 of the Hague Regulations, a territory is considered occupied when it is “actually placed under the authority of the hostile army,” and occupation persists as long as such authority can be exercised, even in the absence of a permanent military presence on the ground. This principle has been affirmed by numerous authoritative bodies:

  • The United Nations, International Court of Justice (ICJ), International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), European Union, and Human Rights Watch all maintain that Israel remains the occupying power in Gaza.
  • In a July 2024 advisory opinion, the ICJ ruled that Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories, including Gaza, did not end in 2005. The Court emphasized that the decisive criterion is not physical presence but the ability to exercise key elements of authority—such as control over borders, airspace, and movement—which Israel continues to exert.
  • The UN Special Rapporteur and Amnesty International have described Israel’s control as an “indirect occupation” or “de facto occupation,” noting that Gaza remains economically and administratively dependent on Israel for water, electricity, telecommunications, and trade.

The Role of the Blockade and Hamas​

Following Hamas’s victory in the 2006 Palestinian legislative elections and its subsequent takeover of Gaza in 2007, Israel, in coordination with Egypt, imposed a comprehensive blockade on the territory. This blockade severely restricts the movement of people and goods, effectively sealing Gaza off from the outside world. While Israel justifies the blockade on security grounds—citing repeated rocket attacks and militant activity—the UN and human rights groups argue that it constitutes collective punishment, which is prohibited under the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Despite Hamas’s governance of Gaza since 2007, the international community largely rejects Israel’s claim that Gaza is no longer occupied. The argument is that effective control, not governance, determines occupation. Israel retains the ability to launch military operations at will, as demonstrated during multiple conflicts (2008–09, 2012, 2014, 2021) and during the ongoing war that began after the October 7, 2023, Hamas attack.



And why is the blockade in place?
 
Hamas has a military arm and has had or still has locally produced rockets, military grade rockets, military grade mortars, military grade antitank weapons, military grade anti shipping weapons, mines, etc

Their budget has come from misapprpriating UN relief funds and donations from around the globe.

They were ELECTED by the Gaza Palestinians
And there is also that Iran is pulling their strings.
 
Does not Hamas govern in Gaza?

:poop:^^^

"IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir said on Wednesday that the Israeli military has approved plans for the “conquest” of Gaza as Israel is planning a significant escalation of its genocidal war.

“This morning, we approved plans for the conquest of Gaza, and now we are in Lebanon. At the same time, we are operating in Syria, Yemen, Judea and Samaria (West Bank), and monitoring events in Iran. We are in a multifront war,” Zamir said during a visit to an Israeli occupation outpost in southern Lebanon, according to The Times of Israel.

Zamir has been at odds with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over the plans to escalate in Gaza, as the IDF has been warning that it will take heavy casualties and that the remaining Israeli captives in Gaza could be killed in the offensive...."

 
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