What about this officer's freedom of speech? Say he had made the same comment to several friends in his back yard, and the neighbor had been outside, overheard him, and complained to the sheriff's office. Is there any forum in which this deputy should have been able to say what he did, without being punished for it by the government?
I am sure millions of Americans, at one time or another, have said very derogatory things about a U.S. President. If a police officer someplace had printed and handed around on the street, while off duty, leaflets in which he called George W. Bush a "lying, Muslim-hating war criminal" and a "cowardly white boy who was trying to kiss his daddy's butt by finishing the war he started" and added that his wife was a "stupid cow," would the municipal department which employed him have violated his freedom of speech by punishing him for what he had written? What if the leaflet had included a cartoon of Bush made to look like a chimpanzee, kneeling in front of his Vice-President in a public restroom, as if to perform a homosexual act on him?
It's racist to point out that Obama is half white?
Yes! Stop the hate! Next you'll be claiming his father was a Muslim!
It is not any kind of a restriction on free speech.
What about this officer's freedom of speech? Say he had made the same comment to several friends in his back yard, and the neighbor had been outside, overheard him, and complained to the sheriff's office. Is there any forum in which this deputy should have been able to say what he did, while not on duty, without being punished for it by the government?
I am sure millions of Americans, at one time or another, have said very derogatory things about a U.S. President. If a police officer someplace had printed and handed around on the street, while off duty, leaflets in which he called George W. Bush a "lying, Muslim-hating war criminal" and a "cowardly white boy who was trying to kiss his daddy's butt by finishing the illegitimate war he started" and added that his wife was a "stupid, fake-Christian cow who abused the kids in her classes" would the municipal department which employed him have violated his freedom of speech by punishing him for what he had written? What if the leaflet had included a cartoon of Bush made to look like a chimpanzee, kneeling in front of his Vice-President in a public restroom, as if to perform a homosexual act on him?
Actions by the county sheriff's department which employs this deputy are, for constitutional purposes, actions by the state of Kentucky. Starting in the 1920's, the Supreme Court has applied the First Amendment's guarantee of the freedom of speech as a limitation on the states through the Fourteenth Amendment.
Of course punishing this deputy for what he said is a restriction of his freedom of speech. And it is a restriction imposed by the state of Kentucky. The question is whether that restriction violates the First Amendment. And the answer does not depend on whether you or anyone else likes what this man said.
Oh come on. The county sheriff's department is in this context also an employer.
That's true the answer doesn't depend on whether we like it, but you know from the cases spewing racist/bigoted bilge in a public forum like Facebook isn't protected speech, government employer or not.
You're supposedly a lawyer, so it's unclear why you're taking a view of "freedom of speech" that you know is ignorant and wrong headed. You're fond of quoting cases, and I am guessing you also know that several have addressed this issue directly.
I do? What cases are you referring to?
What about this officer's freedom of speech? Say he had made the same comment to several friends in his back yard, and the neighbor had been outside, overheard him, and complained to the sheriff's office. Is there any forum in which this deputy should have been able to say what he did, while not on duty, without being punished for it by the government?
I am sure millions of Americans, at one time or another, have said very derogatory things about a U.S. President. If a police officer someplace had printed and handed around on the street, while off duty, leaflets in which he called George W. Bush a "lying, Muslim-hating war criminal" and a "cowardly white boy who was trying to kiss his daddy's butt by finishing the illegitimate war he started" and added that his wife was a "stupid, fake-Christian cow who abused the kids in her classes" would the municipal department which employed him have violated his freedom of speech by punishing him for what he had written? What if the leaflet had included a cartoon of Bush made to look like a chimpanzee, kneeling in front of his Vice-President in a public restroom, as if to perform a homosexual act on him?
Why do imbeciles like this deputy keep posting racist **** on Facebook?
Do they think nobody's gonna read it?
Yet at the end of that comment you post
"Everyone makes mistakes. It's what makes us human."
You seem to have already answered your own question.
Why is it anytime someone posts something bigoted and hateful about Islam practitioners it's racist? Are people that dumb who right for the Huffington post??? It's not racist. Prejudiced, hateful and bigoted yes, racist NO Islam is not a race.
No.He called Obama a monkey. That's racist.
1. This isn't about me.This is the guy that implied that the U.S government should have compensated those after the Civil War who lost their "property" (if you catch my drift).
It's not surprising that he is willing to defend such a blatantly racist statement as that one.
Wrong.It was racist. "Muslim holler monkey" is racist when used against blacks. It is not when used against whites like Bush.
It's racist.
iLOLOf course not. It's racist to joke that that was the half the person called a monkey.
1. Bs.Whites have not been called "monkeys" pretty much until Bush.
Nothing you presented supports your claim.So yes calling the Obama's "monkeys" is indeed racist.
No it is not like that.It's like calling a white person "nigger" and they laugh. Say it to most blacks.
Wrong.
All it is is mockery and disparaging as it is if used against any other person.
It only becomes racist if the person did it has racist beliefs and used it because of those beliefs, which isn't something you have any knowledge of, or can just assume. That is where you argument fails.
iLOL
There is nothing racist about that, nor could you show it is.
1. Bs.
Whites have been referred to as such far longer than that.
2. It was not always used to mock Bush's expressions.
The public (read democrat/liberal for the most part) lowering the standard to refer to the President in such a way was for disparagement of the person, just as it was for Obama, regardless if it was to sometimes mock expressions (how he looked) or not.
Nothing you presented supports your claim.
No it is not like that.
There has to be racist intent behind it's use to claim it is racist.
Say it to blacks? iLOL A person getting upset because they do not like something does not mean it was racist.
Wrong as usual and clearly unable to refute what was presented. FiguresAnd some people wonder why racism is as bad as it is, lol.
Oh goody, more claims assumptive bs.Racist and transphobic. Nice combo there.
Wrong.
All it is is mockery and disparaging as it is if used against any other person.
It only becomes racist if the person did it has racist beliefs and used it because of those beliefs, which isn't something you have any knowledge of, or can just assume. That is where you argument fails.
iLOL
There is nothing racist about that, nor could you show it is.
1. Bs.
Whites have been referred to as such far longer than that.
2. It was not always used to mock Bush's expressions.
The public (read democrat/liberal for the most part) lowering the standard to refer to the President in such a way was for disparagement of the person, just as it was for Obama, regardless if it was to sometimes mock expressions (how he looked) or not.
Nothing you presented supports your claim.
No it is not like that.
There has to be racist intent behind it's use to claim it is racist.
Say it to blacks? iLOL A person getting upset because they do not like something does not mean it was racist.
After the Civil War, the emancipation of slaves, and passage of the 13th, 14th, and 15 amendments to the Constitution, White bigots used the association to justify Jim Crow laws, and the use of violence, such as the lynching of Blacks who challenged or threatened the status quo. The general acceptance of the evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin was easily twisted into a means of identifying further "evidence" of the primitive status of Blacks. In the 1878 cartoon to the right, for example, an organ grinder's monkey is attacking a black child. Beneath is the caption, "Southern Scenes--An incident in Richmond, VA--The Darwinian Theory Illustrated". Presumably, the monkey feels that his position is challenged by the child, and he's defending his territory. Meanwhile, a drastically caricatured black man watches with a mirthful look on his face.
The depiction of Blacks as apes & monkeys found expression in mainstreamed popular culture around the turn of the century, especially in postcards. Often it was the zip or urban coon that was being caricatured, for the amusement of White consumers. Note the simian appearance of the Black Americans in each of the postcards to the left, and how they have been dandified. These images are intended to be ironic, and to cater to the White notion that Black coons are too stupid to understand that their efforts to assimilate into White culture only emphasize their inherent inferiority.
Yes, we all know that a history of others doing it exists.There is a long history of dehumanizing blacks by associating them with apes in this country.
Yes, we all know that a history of others doing it exists.
Again.
It only becomes racist if the person did it has racist beliefs and used it because of those beliefs, which isn't something you have any knowledge of, or can just assume.
That is where the racist argument in this thread, as well as others, fails.
Just because a group of others in the past used it in a racist way does not mean you can assume it is racist now. This is again exemplified by it being used in regards to others, such as Bush, and by the fact that non-racists have depicted Obama as such.
Of course not. It's racist to joke that that was the half the person called a monkey.
You know this man.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean employers are obligated to continue supporting you.
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