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Kavanaugh confirmation

who believes Kavanaugh has the character and demeanor to be a supreme court justice?

  • yes

    Votes: 22 37.3%

  • no

    Votes: 37 62.7%
  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
Skeptic Bob said:
When I was watching the testimony I thought, “they are going to have a field day with these expressions”.
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For what he and his family has been through for 10 long days, and now they are unhappy that he reacts.

How would anyone else react at being accused of being a serial rapist in a public hearing like this?

Had he not reacted, they'd have called him wooden, un-genuine, not sincere.

Screwed if you do, and screwed if you don't, that's how the Democrats like it, just as long as they are the ones doing the screwing, that's all that matters to them.
 
TurtleDude said:
so you thought her performance which included her not even being able to name what year it happened was credible

tell me why that even matters to his suitability as a judge. do you think we should go back to HS and after 6 FBI investigations in an attempt to prevent a presidential pick from being seated because that is what you are suggesting
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Yes I found her credible. The fact that she can't remember some detail is completely consistent with the fallibility of human memory and what we currently know about how people react to trauma. If I were a juror in a criminal case her lapses in memory would matter a great to me if I'm to convict beyond a reasonable doubt but this isn't a criminal trial and her testimony introduces enough doubt about his character to make me think twice.

You raise a very good point about whether it mattters about suitability as a judge. I read an article on that topic just a little while ago - between the time I posted what you responded to and how. The author of the piece - Illya Somin - basically contends that he can be good SC justice and be guilty of attempted rape, as Ford alleges. The two are not mutually exclusive. He and you have a point that I need to think over a little more.
 
eohrnberger said:
For what he and his family has been through for 10 long days, and now they are unhappy that he reacts.

How would anyone else react at being accused of being a serial rapist in a public hearing like this?

Had he not reacted, they'd have called him wooden, un-genuine, not sincere.

Screwed if you do, and screwed if you don't, that's how the Democrats like it, just as long as they are the ones doing the screwing, that's all that matters to them.
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Oh, I don’t blame him for being emotional. But in these politically charged scenarios EVERYTHING gets thrown at you and I knew that would be one of the things. Optics wise, I think there is an optimal balance of emotion to show in such a presentation and I think he overshot the mark. Though I do think that is better than erring too far in the other direction.
 
eohrnberger said:
How would anyone else react at being accused of being a serial rapist in a public hearing like this?
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Yeah, no public figure ever has a vile charge made about them in public.

Wait, they do all the time. They just don't usually fly into borderline incoherent rages and unleash a barely controlled stream of belligerent petulance in response.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Oh, I don’t blame him for being emotional. But in these politically charged scenarios EVERYTHING gets thrown at you and I knew that would be one of the things. Optics wise, I think there is an optimal balance of emotion to show in such a presentation and I think he overshot the mark. Though I do think that is better than erring too far in the other direction.
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He certainly hurt his own case by crying like a frustrated toddler.

That's Trump's job.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Oh, I don’t blame him for being emotional. But in these politically charged scenarios EVERYTHING gets thrown at you and I knew that would be one of the things. Optics wise, I think there is an optimal balance of emotion to show in such a presentation and I think he overshot the mark. Though I do think that is better than erring too far in the other direction.
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OK. You are of the opinion that he might have gone just a step too over the line. Fair enough. I have a different opinion. Fair enough.
 
Greenbeard said:
Yeah, no public figure ever has a vile charge made about them in public.

Wait, they do all the time. They just don't usually fly into borderline incoherent rages and unleash a barely controlled stream of belligerent petulance in response.
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In Senate hearing chambers?

Oh wait. Only Democrats do that to people, destroy people for political gain, in nomination hearings for SCOTUS, and the flimsiest of uncorroborated accusation, I guess.
First Bork.
Then Thomas.
Now Kavanaugh.

The Democrats have established quite a consistent and 'admirable' (:roll:) track record there.

You finding this behavior, finding this standard as acceptable, says a lot about you.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
He certainly hurt his own case by crying like a frustrated toddler.

That's Trump's job.
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The famous democrat two step whine song and dance:

Baaawwwlll! Waaaiiilll. The republicans are bullying the democrats because they overruled our democrat objections to the nominating process based on fabricated claims brought up at the last second in our desperate attempt to stop Trump from getting another nominee appointed to SCOTUS.
 
Gaius46 said:
Yes I found her credible. The fact that she can't remember some detail is completely consistent with the fallibility of human memory and what we currently know about how people react to trauma. If I were a juror in a criminal case her lapses in memory would matter a great to me if I'm to convict beyond a reasonable doubt but this isn't a criminal trial and her testimony introduces enough doubt about his character to make me think twice.

You raise a very good point about whether it mattters about suitability as a judge. I read an article on that topic just a little while ago - between the time I posted what you responded to and how. The author of the piece - Illya Somin - basically contends that he can be good SC justice and be guilty of attempted rape, as Ford alleges. The two are not mutually exclusive. He and you have a point that I need to think over a little more.
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her charges would not-in any state-rise to attempted rape. Juvenile delinquency is the worst it would be. I doubt it would have led to anything other than a "don't do that crap again" bit
 
Jarhead1369 said:
Comparing apples to oranges. One can easily be even-tempered, logical, reasonable, fair and balanced when sitting in judgement on others, with no skin in the game. Do you really think any of the sitting Justices would handle something like this better? Indeed, judging from some of their words since Trump was elected, some of them aren't playing with a full deck!
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Your question about how other justices would handle it made me do a little research. I pulled the Clarence Thomas hearing regarding Anita Hill’s accusations. I’m no fan of Clarence Thomas but in his hearing he managed to portray his indignity with the accusations while maintaining a dignified and professional demeanor. Maybe it isn’t fair, but I expect a Supreme Court Justice to handle contentious situations better than the average Joe.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
He definitely gave the impression that this is a grudge he will be taking to the bench with him.
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New Demscum tactic -slander and smear a potential judge and then claim due to the slandering and smearing, he's too pissed off at the dem scum to be impartial.
 
TurtleDude said:
BTW the FBI cannot compel anyone to speak to them in this investigation. 10-1 odds he will say his statement is the truth and he's going to leave it at that
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Just to clear the record, I was skeptical when the accusations were revealed. I didn’t think that a “youthful indiscretion” at age 17 could be made “hay” of. I am in no way making light of sexual assault. I preceded the judge by about a dozen years. I was plenty confused in he/she relations. I can’t remember any particular lessons from my parents regarding girls and proper conduct. I just muddled through. I was told by one girl friend that she was suspecting what my sexual preference was, because it took a while for us to get “horizontal.”

Since this issue has been raised, you cannot be a fan of how your fellow Yalie has comported himself. I agree that politics in this country have veered very far off the rails, but I am fearful that we have not arrived at the lowest point yet. SB in post # 88 raises a valid observation.....
 
TurtleDude said:
New Demscum tactic -slander and smear a potential judge and then claim due to the slandering and smearing, he's too pissed off at the dem scum to be impartial.
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I have considered that myself. I didn’t know there was a name for it. Though it doesn’t seem to be one the actual Senators are playing...yet. But I will say that Clarence Thomas didn’t give the same impression of holding a grudge that Kavanaugh did. Of course impressions are subjective.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I have considered that myself. I didn’t know there was a name for it. Though it doesn’t seem to be one the actual Senators are playing...yet. But I will say that Clarence Thomas didn’t give the same impression of holding a grudge that Kavanaugh did. Of course impressions are subjective.
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remember it takes five votes. this is not a district court
 
He is kinda a worm but all this caterwauling that he cant be on the court because of who he was in High School shows in dramatic fashion how far America has fallen from the quality that we used to be able to manage.

This is a very sad story.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
True. But plenty of rulings have been decided by one vote.
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yeah but if four other judges agree with Kavanaugh, its going to be hard to prove he did it to get even.
 
TurtleDude said:
I wonder what she will do if he is seated? slink away? the one I really want to know about is Swetnick. She sounds like a real POS. Ford merely sounds like a pawn.
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I'm becoming less convinced that Ford is a pawn. I'm leaning towards complicit.
 
I wonder how many who say NO were supporting him Wednesday Night?
 
Acadia said:
I'm becoming less convinced that Ford is a pawn. I'm leaning towards complicit.
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that she needed her attorney to tell her several key things

I think something happened to her and she -due to drinking-really doesn't remember much and she certainly doesn't remember who was there or when it was.
 
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