• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Kansas bans Sharia Law

Aunt Spiker said:
You know - I've read through a lot of articles to try to find references to court-documents from court proceedings, I'm not quite there yet - all the articles are like this: Look who’s deciding American court cases

Most articles cite Sharia law being applied to Muslim couples . . . custodial disputes, domestic violence, divorce (etc). None of them have cited Sharia law being used or non-Muslim people or cases. I imagine if that ever was the case it would be tossed outin a court of appeals.

If Sharia Law is being taken into account when ruling then I think what's really causing an issue is our 1st Amendment. Sharia law follows their religious faith. How far can a court go to overlook someone's own religious doctrine? We have a lot of cases in which religous-beliefs ARE used as a defense for things like animal slaughter, etc.

So I think it really does need to be addressed - but I don't think saying 'yo ucan't use any other laws' isn't enough. They already shouldn't be able to do it - but if they try to respect their religoius-beliefs or rule in alightment with someone's faith - as we already do in countless cases - then what are they suppose to do?

I think it's a slippery slope situation - and I don't think religious beliefs should apply at all in cases of divorce, child custody, and spousal abuse. . . but we do make considerations when ruling on numerous cases in regard to religous views and lifestyles. Hence why all those Catholic Priests who confessed to raping boys didn't actually serve serious jailtime for their crimes. The 'Catholic Church handled' it
Click to expand...


Here is how the NJ courts dealt with one of the cases cited in your article...“a conflict between the criminal law and religious precepts,” the appellate court held that the defendant knowingly engaged in non-consensual sexual intercourse and thus could not be excused for his religious beliefs." This case and other issues regarding religious law is discussed in post 47...
 
This whole thing is just Republican politicians preying on the ignorant for votes. People hear Sharia law being used in courts and some of them are stupid enough to think that means that like somehow our legal system is being replaced by Sharia law... I mean, seriously, how stupid would somebody have to be to believe that is happening? What kind of tinfoil hat wearing recluse buys that kind of thing? The GOP is just making a straight up play to make intelligence a partisan wedge issue. They're constantly dreaming up issues like this to try to split off the stupidest people from the normal people.

What is really happening is that it is coming up the same way any other system of laws is relevant in US courts. If you sign a contract saying "the law of Sweden will govern the interpretation of this contract" then that's what law the court looks at to decide what the contract means, so long as it doesn't violate US law in any way. If the issue of whether a couple is married is disputed for some reason, the court looks at the legal system under which they were married to figure out if they were in fact married. So of course Sharia law comes up. If a couple moved here from a country with Sharia law, how is the court supposed to decide whether they're married? If a contract between a corporation here and a corporation in Saudi Arabia says that it is governed by Sharia law, how else is the court supposed to interpret it according to the wishes of the parties that entered into it?

Obviously the Kansas legislators understand that, so ask yourself, why are they doing this if they know it is moronic?
 
So you're saying that Kansas citizens and their elected reps are so dumb that they can be "preyed upon" by Republicans (or another group)? Nice!
 
This sort of thing has been recently overturned in an Oklahoma 5th Circuit case.
 
NOt necessarily dumb. Just really slow.
 
Republic Now! said:
Emphasis mine:


I'm confused; what is the problem with this bill? We don't give free BC pills to everyone and its sexism but forbidding courts from using standards which are openly biased against women and that's an atrocity? I really don't understand this logic.
Click to expand...

it's redundant, racist and ridiculous and that's only the R's. it makes the Kansas legislature look like fools and buffoons who have no clue about our own laws. Other than that it's ok with me at least it kept those Representatives off the street.
 
Last edited:
Maybe Kansas is being "proactive" here, but I don't live there and don't much care what Kansas decides so long as its majority is on board.
 
dabateman said:
This sort of thing has been recently overturned in an Oklahoma 5th Circuit case.
Click to expand...

I must have had a moment. It's 10th Circuit, not 5th. I have no idea what inspired me to write 5th... :roll:
 
Thunder said:
Kansas lawmakers pass effective ban on Islamic law - Yahoo! News

so, Kansas State Legislature has banned the courts from using Sharia law.

what's next, a ban on Halachah (Jewish law)?

a ban on selling Kosher & Halaal food items?

a ban on Muslim kafiyehs, Jewish kipahs, and Sihk headscarves?
Click to expand...
This is good news, sharia law is unfair to both men and women..especially women. halaal and kosher foods will never be banned; why ban the practice of cleansing and blessing of meat that is to be consumed by fellow humans?
:minigavel
 
teamosil said:
This whole thing is just Republican politicians preying on the ignorant for votes. People hear Sharia law being used in courts and some of them are stupid enough to think that means that like somehow our legal system is being replaced by Sharia law... I mean, seriously, how stupid would somebody have to be to believe that is happening? What kind of tinfoil hat wearing recluse buys that kind of thing? The GOP is just making a straight up play to make intelligence a partisan wedge issue. They're constantly dreaming up issues like this to try to split off the stupidest people from the normal people.


What is really happening is that it is coming up the same way any other system of laws is relevant in US courts. If you sign a contract saying "the law of Sweden will govern the interpretation of this contract" then that's what law the court looks at to decide what the contract means, so long as it doesn't violate US law in any way. If the issue of whether a couple is married is disputed for some reason, the court looks at the legal system under which they were married to figure out if they were in fact married. So of course Sharia law comes up. If a couple moved here from a country with Sharia law, how is the court supposed to decide whether they're married? If a contract between a corporation here and a corporation in Saudi Arabia says that it is governed by Sharia law, how else is the court supposed to interpret it according to the wishes of the parties that entered into it?

Obviously the Kansas legislators understand that, so ask yourself, why are they doing this if they know it is moronic?
Click to expand...


Sorry teamosil, but your wrong...many of us dont fear sharia law here at all...we just believe it has absolutely no place in america whatsoever...its our law...if you want sharia law go somewhere else...
We cant afford to give our country away piece by piece to everyone that wants a chunk...
 
I salute the lawmakers of Kansas. Three cheers for the great state of Kansas. But the Feds will now be coming just like they did to Oklahoma. Get ready.

It must be understood that Islamic law is not just religious. It is also political. Islam is not just a religious body, but a political body. And Sharia Law covers both. In other words, Sharia law is the law of a political body, Islam. And to allow Islam to function under Sharia law in your country is to allow another political set of laws to function in your country.

And, the implementation of Sharia Law, only upon Muslims, is the way that Islam uses to increase Islam in any country it exists. Once it has a certain percentage of numbers, then it attempts to have Sharia Law allowed over it. To refuse them results in riots and chaos. With the hope that finally the government in question will say its not worth it, let them rule themseves under their Sharia Law.

Therefore, these State laws such as Oklahoma tried and Kansas passed, are important. Because it insures that Sharia Law cannot exist in its state. That such insurance is needed is proved by the Fed. govt. removing Oklahomas decisison. The Fed. gvt is saying its willing to let Sharia law exist.

Quantrill
 
Last edited:
Stats begin on p. 46. Majority of cases were marriage and child custody, which makes sense now that I'm thinking of it.
 
lpast said:
Sorry teamosil, but your wrong...many of us dont fear sharia law here at all...we just believe it has absolutely no place in america whatsoever...its our law...if you want sharia law go somewhere else...
We cant afford to give our country away piece by piece to everyone that wants a chunk...
Click to expand...

I explained to you what role it plays in US law, so what gives? You're still responding as if it were something different...
 
teamosil said:
I explained to you what role it plays in US law, so what gives? You're still responding as if it were something different...
Click to expand...

Sharia law plays no role in US law.

Quantrill
 
SgtRock said:
Good for Kansas. What we really need is a worldwide ban on sharia law as well as a ban of the evil death cult known as Islam.
Click to expand...


okay ,islam is cult but christianity is a fact.:shock:
 
Medusa said:
okay ,islam is cult but christianity is a fact.:shock:
Click to expand...

We arent talking Islam vs any other religion medusa...Im saying that sharia law has no place in america...just like our law and more's arent tolerated in any muslim countries.
 
lpast said:
We arent talking Islam vs any other religion medusa...Im saying that sharia law has no place in america...just like our law and more's arent tolerated in any muslim countries.
Click to expand...

of course I certainly agree with you at this point..in addition to what you said ,nobody has to obey arabian sharia to be a muslim..
 
Last edited:
Thunder said:
there are more than a couple Christian regulations & restrictions in the NT.

I want those laws banned from being used or referenced in Kansas judicial decisions too.
Click to expand...

Well, what ones are you talking about?

Quantrill
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom