Kamala Harris was not appointed as the "border czar"

[TangoNoCash]

We're not discussing Trump. Please try to focus.

Thought we discussing the border? Do we need to exclude inconvenient information from the discussion at your behest?

 

[jmotivator]

She was slated by the administration to take care of it, to me that is being in control of the task, and she is culpable for the failure.

regardless of what she was called, she failed at the border task she was given. Revisionism will not change this.

They announced her taking over from Jackson in April 2021.

Harris did little to nothing and was ultimately a failure and was removed with considerably less fanfare than when she was announced.

Essentially the explanation behind the Democrats revisionist history is tat the border wasn't Kamala's responsibility because se was quietly taken off the duty years ago.

Biden ended Trump's Remain-in-Mexico policy then sent Kamala down, after the disaster started to unfold to Tell Guatemalan residents to "don't come" ... and then later Biden was forced to reinstate the policy... but it was too late, and Biden leadership was too incompetent.

The one policy that the Biden administration can connect Kamala too also happens to be one of the biggest failures of the Biden administration.

Trying to distance Kamala from the border says a lot. Had she been competent and successful they'd be lauding her work at the border... instead they want to memory hole it.

 

[TangoNoCash]

See post #41.

See post #51.

 

[hooligan]

they gave her the job to stem the tide of illegal immigration. they were aware of it.... after they saw their polling drop. She failed to do anything worthwhile.

Your opinion is noted.

So, you're not voting for Harris, then?

 

[jnug]

That's possible, but again, we're talking about Harris's record on immigration, not Trump's.

Then accurately define her role and the actual capability she had to accomplish even the limited role she had.

As for discussing Trump.....impossible to avoid him since he has been the central figure in the GOP not actually caring about Immigration and border issues but just howling at the moon about them.....disregarding any effort that might have actually done something about the issue. But the business community had and has no issue hiring migrants as they represent cheap labor which this country actually needs.

 

[Hypothetical]

They announced her taking over from Jackson in April 2021.

Harris did little to nothing and was ultimately a failure and was removed with considerably less fanfare than when she was announced.

Essentially the explanation behind the Democrats revisionist history is tat the border wasn't Kamala's responsibility because se was quietly taken off the duty years ago.

Biden ended Trump's Remain-in-Mexico policy then sent Kamala down, after the disaster started to unfold to Tell Guatemalan residents to "don't come" ... and then later Biden was forced to reinstate the policy... but it was too late, and Biden leadership was too incompetent.

The one policy that the Biden administration can connect Kamala too also happens to be one of the biggest failures of the Biden administration.

Trying to distance Kamala from the border says a lot. Had she been competent and successful they'd be lauding her work at the border... instead they want to memory hole it.

they need to realize something else then: she is the 2nd person in the Biden/Harris administration. ALL the failures of this administration tarnish her as well as Biden.

 

[NatMorton]

And they're the candidates. It is valid to explain the motivation behind this issue. Trump wanted a campaign issue more than he wanted a solution.

Did Harris have authorization to change laws or policies?

No, she did not have that authority nor did she need that authority.

She was put in charge by the President of the United States to find a solution to stem illegal migration across our southern border. After presumably studying the problem she declared border control -- a group under the authority of Executive branch -- would begin turning illegal migrants away. Yes or no, did that happen in any meaningful way?

 

[Hypothetical]

Your opinion is noted.

So, you're not voting for Harris, then?

I do not know who i am voting for yet. But i do like to disseminate truth as I see it.

 

[NatMorton]

Thought we discussing the border? Do we need to exclude inconvenient information from the discussion at your behest?

Read the OP. The issue is whether Harris was tasked with controlling illegal immigration and whether she accomplished that in any meaningful way. If you still feel the need to deflect I suggest you try it with someone else.

 

[hooligan]

But i do like to disseminate truth as I see it.

Sure. Same here.

 

[jnug]

they need to realize something else then: she is the 2nd person in the Biden/Harris administration. ALL the failures of this administration tarnish her as well as Biden.

Then all the successes which far outweigh the failures are hers as well. Frankly while one would have to balance the scorecard on this issue of one insists on attaching administration failures to a VP, VP's don't really get much elbow room in administrations. The only real exception was dopey Bush43's administration that had 43 transferring unheard of levels of power to Dick Cheney.

 

[soap box]

No, she did not have that authority nor did she need that authority.

She was put in charge by the President of the United States to find a solution to stem illegal migration across our southern border. After presumably studying the problem she declared border control -- a group under the authority of Executive branch -- would begin turning illegal migrants away. Yes or no, did that happen in any meaningful way?

No. And I don't care because she was not given the authority that is correctly vested in Congress. I want her to be president. I'm voting for her. It's funny to me you think this will stick. She has given millions of Americans a reason to vote. You guys can harp on this all you want and it's falling on deaf ears because character counts.

 

[roguenuke]

I keep seeing this claim that Harris failed in her duties as Biden's border czar. There's a perspective that she was given the job of fixing the border problem and she failed at it. I assume those who think this is true might want to know that it's actually not true.

Harris was never put in charge of the border or made "border czar," immigration experts said. President Joe Biden tasked Harris with leading the administration's diplomatic efforts addressing the "root causes" of migration in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras.

Harris' border work was on 'root causes' of migration; she wasn't in charge | Fact check

The post mischaracterizes Harris' work on migration. She was tasked with leading efforts addressing the "root causes" of migration in Central America.

www.usatoday.com

Harris was not asked to be the administration's "border czar" or to oversee immigration policy and enforcement at the U.S.-Mexico border. That has mainly been the responsibility of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas and his department, which oversees the country's main three immigration agencies, including Customs and Border Protection.

The facts about Kamala Harris' role on immigration in the Biden administration

In her immigration role, Vice President Kamala Harris has mainly focused on convincing companies to invest in Central America and promoting democracy and development.

www.cbsnews.com

But Ms. Harris was not, in fact, appointed border czar, nor was she tasked with addressing the broader problems plaguing the border itself

Why Republicans Keep Calling Kamala Harris the ‘Border Czar’

The misleading phrase is meant to underscore one of the thorniest issues in her portfolio: immigration.

www.nytimes.com

Now that we've established the truth of the matter, we can positively identify a few elected officials who have lied to you about it:

Sen. Rick Scott Calls “Border Czar” VP Harris to Fulfill Constitutional Duty & Preside Over Mayorkas Impeachment

www.rickscott.senate.gov

Stefanik Introduces Resolution Condemning Border Czar Kamala Harris’ Role in the Open Border Crisis

stefanik.house.gov

Rep. Jackson Introduces Legislation to Hold Border Czar Kamala Harris, Biden Administration Accountable for Border Crisis Failures

jackson.house.gov

And the next time you see Trump or anyone else repeating the claim, you'll know that they're lying to you. Vote accordingly.

Hope that helps!

The MAGAs won't believe you because all the rightwing media and pundits have been telling them she was appointed "border czar" and that means, to them, it has to be true, and anything that claims otherwise is lying.

 

[NatMorton]

Then accurately define her role and the actual capability she had to accomplish even the limited role she had.

I have. The President of the United States put her in charge of finding a solution to "stem migration" at our southern border. His words, not mine.

Harris later declared the administration would do that by turning people away at the border, something the Executive branch is empowered to do.

How'd that all work out?

 

[NatMorton]

No. And I don't care because she was not given the authority that is correctly vested in Congress

You have no idea what you're talking about. The Constitution gives the Executive branch the authority to defend our borders.

Why don't you just acknowledge what is painfully obvious? Harris made absolutely no progress stemming the flow of illegal immigration across our southern border and was part of an administration that made the problem much, much worse.

 

[Hypothetical]

Then all the successes which far outweigh the failures are hers as well. Frankly while one would have to balance the scorecard on this issue of one insists on attaching administration failures to a VP, VP's don't really get much elbow room in administrations. The only real exception was dopey Bush43's administration that had 43 transferring unheard of levels of power to Dick Cheney.

sure, except from our perspective there have not been that many successes thatmake a difference.

 

[TangoNoCash]

Read the OP. The issue is whether Harris was tasked with controlling illegal immigration and whether she accomplished that in any meaningful way. If you still feel the need to deflect I suggest you try it with someone else.

You said it’s porous. I responded with why that continues. You sparked that discussion. Go figure. Maybe you just shouldn’t talk about this topic if it’s a problem for you when people reply to your comments.

 

[NatMorton]

The MAGAs won't believe you because all the rightwing media and pundits have been telling them she was appointed "border czar" and that means, to them, it has to be true, and anything that claims otherwise is lying.

Did Biden announce Harris was put in charge of stemming the flow of illegal immigration across our southern border?

 

[NatMorton]

You said it’s porous. I responded with why that continues. You sparked that discussion. Go figure. Maybe you just shouldn’t talk about this topic if it’s a problem for you when people reply to your comments.

The thread is not about me, either.

Suggest you give it up.

 

[Gaius46]

oh lets see, she could have visited a LOT sooner than she did, seen what the issue was, reported back to Biden and asked to get together a commission in the administration to take care of it. Didn;t do ANY of that.

OR any number of things. She has plenty of power if the President approves of it.

Why would The administration ask her to take care of it if they did not have a way for her to do so?

Going to the border, while a nice photo op, really isn't necessary for the task of getting Guatamalans to stay in Guatamala.

 

[roguenuke]

Did Biden announce Harris was put in charge of stemming the flow of illegal immigration across our southern border?

The task/job was explained by the OP for what it was and how her title was not that being claimed.

 

[jnug]

I have. The President of the United States put her in charge of finding a solution to "stem migration" at our southern border. His words, not mine.

Biden tasked Harris with addressing the root causes that drive migration to the United States. He did not task her with controlling who and how many people enter the southern U.S. border. That's the Homeland Security secretary's responsibility

Harris later declared the administration would do that by turning people away at the border, something the Executive branch is empowered to do.

The job of the DHS Secretary

How'd that all work out?

Not a Harris failure with the exception of her assigned role with South and Central American governments which Harris really did not have the staff assets with which to succeed. Now wasn't that easy when one is not simply trying to spew propaganda?

 

[TangoNoCash]

The thread is not about me, either.

Suggest you give it up.

Give what up? I was participating in the open discussion. You don’t get to choose what other people reply to and what they reply with. Go harass someone else if that’s your intent.

 

[Plasmaball]

I'll lawyer you if I please. But at this point, I'm not. I'm asking you a simple, direct question. Did President Biden assign Vice President Harris the task of stemming illegal migration across our southern border?

If you felt confident in your argument, you would not be afraid of answering this question. Let's see what you do next.

I said what I said.

 

[NatMorton]

Going to the border, while a nice photo op, really isn't necessary for the task of getting Guatamalans to stay in Guatamala.

She's got a long way to go before she develop's AOC's photo op skills ...