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Kamala Harris was not appointed as the "border czar"

How many senators from an opposing side does it take before you’ll consider legislation bipartisan?

You are missing the point. I never said the bill wasn't bipartisan, I'm saying that the filibuster was also bipartisan, and there were more Senate Democrats who chose to filibuster than there were Senate Republicans involved in writing the bill.

And the fact remains that the Republican House bill that addresses the border has already passed the house and is sitting on Schumer's desk and has been for 15 months. THe Democrats decided that they should address this crisis that they have denied even existed for 3 years because it was hurting them in the election year, still play political games with the legislation and then blame the Republicans for playing politics in an election year?

The Democrats are entirely at fault for dragging the border crisis into an election year.

They should have kept working on it sure. Seems after Trump said he wanted it as a campaign issue the whole thing got dropped. It’s definitely not about what’s good for America. Shame.

You are pretending a rumor is fact. Your interpretation was a lie told by Chuck Schumer.

Trump's actual statement was that Congress shouldn't tie US border legislation to foreign aid the way the Democrats wanted to do it. While Schumer and the Democrats will tell you that the May 2024 bill was a clean border bill, the reading of the bill quickly proves that he was lying. This supposed clean border bill included funding requests for both Ukraine and Israel (the latter almost certainly the reason the Democrats joined the filibuster).

So no, I reject your chosen narrative that is built on the lies of Chuck Schumer. He is free to offer a bill that addresses the border and only the border, but he refuses to while he lies to you that he did.

Hell, most of what the Democrats say they want with the border bill has nothing to do with why the bill failed.

They could provide a bill that only includes the legislation granting the president more control over the border (I'll entertain that it is even necessary for the sake of argument) and that strengthens the requirement for applying for asylum and they could pass it tomorrow... the only reason that the bill could be filibustered was because of the appropriations contained in the bill, much of which was military spending connected to Ukraine and Israel.

So again, no. Republicans didn't drag the issue into the election year, the Democrats did... and the final bill that was killed was not a clean border bill, which is why it died, again.

The biggest issue at this point, as I see it, is the habit of Congress in the last decade or so to package very disparate legislation into a single bill as a way of protecting themselves from public backlash. It also allows them to build false narratives to attack other members of congress for "not voting on the bill to fix [insert crisis]" when it is likely that what the given congress member was voting against was some other piece of the legislation not connected to [insert crisis].

Congress should write targeted legislation that addresses a single issue that will allow all members of Congress to go on record voting for or against legislation on a specific issue.

And I leave you with one of my favorites scenes from the Simpsons that demonstrates the issue perfectly

 
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That never was the goal. Mayorkas who has the power has no intentions of stopping any of this.


Oh sure, their goal is open borders. they only got concerned when they started receiving a TON of flak about it, all well deserved.

if they cannot or are not willing to take care of a crisis that the majority of americans WANT taken care of, then they need to lose and go away.
 
So YOU say.

Show your work. Where in writing is there anything to back up your lie?

There are plenty of articles written by media outlets you haven't been told not to read who lauded the appointment of Harris to the border issue after the resignation of the former border Czar.

The issue that that Democrats are desperate to cling to is that the role changed when Harris took over to be less focused on border enforcement and more on diplomacy. Kamala failed miserably.

The other takeaway, as we watch the Democrats and their subservient media scramble, is that their explanation leaves us with another conclusion from the Biden/Harris administration handling of the border crisis: If Harris was not the new Border Czar to replace Roberta Jacobson, then we can only conclude that after the resignation of Jacobson, for failure to stem the flow of illegal immigrants at the border, Biden eliminated the position of Border Czar altogether... because if Kamala wasn't the border czar then there hasn't been a border czar since Jacobson.
 
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You are pretending a rumor is fact. Your interpretation was a lie told by Chuck Schumer.
Is it weird that Trump himself disagrees with you? I think there's a mix up about who's lying.


Trump, whose front-runner status in the Republican presidential race has solidified his leadership of the GOP, has loudly vowed to kill the bipartisan border deal.

"It's not going to happen, and I'll fight it all the way," Trump said Saturday in Nevada.

 
She will have a problem with it, a- because Trump is a demagogue who says things like countries are emptying their mental hospitals and sending us crazy people, and b- because the media does not provide context, not mentioning what US laws and treaty commitments require. Trump lies so openly that the MSM doesn’t even bother pointing out his falsehoods.
Sounds like those lies should be easily disproved with all the data that says how well the Biden administration has done on the issue. So again, why the worry?
 
You know how you can tell our forum righties have latched onto a argument that just won't play? They won't give it up.

That is what they have in this stuuuuupid Harris as border czar nonsense. As usual, they just won't give it up fielding multiple posts and multiple threads none of them effective, all of them easy to beat into the pavement.

Their usual failing exposed again. They don't know how American government works. They don't know how the executive branch functions. They don't know how a President's administration functions. Mainly they don't know how an administration works because they are so enamored with Donald's "only I can fix it nonsense" that they do not realize that the elected officials at the top of an administration do not do more than set the tone. They are entirely dependent on staff for everything else.

It is clear that Biden only gave his VP a piece of the border issue. She was not czar of anything. He did not equip her with a staff of Central and South American content experts to help her even function effectively within the one piece he assigned her. Know how I know? Her public addresses at the time regarding her efforts were in a word, hideous. So there is no chance that she had an effective staff to carry with her in her efforts and no chance that a speech writer was integrated into an effective staff of content experts.
 
You know how you can tell our forum righties have latched onto a argument that just won't play? They won't give it up.

That is what they have in this stuuuuupid Harris as border czar nonsense. As usual, they just won't give it up fielding multiple posts and multiple threads none of them effective, all of them easy to beat into the pavement.

Their usual failing exposed again. They don't know how American government works. They don't know how the executive branch functions. They don't know how a President's administration functions. Mainly they don't know how an administration works because they are so enamored with Donald's "only I can fix it nonsense" that they do not realize that the elected officials at the top of an administration do not do more than set the tone. They are entirely dependent on staff for everything else.

It is clear that Biden only gave his VP a piece of the border issue. She was not czar of anything. He did not equip her with a staff of Central and South American content experts to help her even function effectively within the one piece he assigned her. Know how I know? Her public addresses at the time regarding her efforts were in a word, hideous. So there is no chance that she had an effective staff to carry with her in her efforts and no chance that a speech writer was integrated into an effective staff of content experts.
Border Czar was frequently used and reported on at that time. The fact lefties are trying to scrub that notion is telling. She accomplished absolutely nothing.

For 3.5 years she continued to do nothing. Why would she, Joe had no intentions too. You can define Czar any way you like. She was tasked on an issue and was useless.

The campaign will ram the border against her and she has no answer for it. Only amnesty & citizenship.


She won't protect the nation she will swear an other to defend. Democrats will vote for that.
 
Democrats can spin but they can't hide




Harris didn't want the assignment and quit​

If they keep going down this trail of “Kamala Harris was never the border czar,” they’re not going to like where it ends.

Pretty soon Republicans will direct voters back to CNN’s potted palm story and to what Biden’s team actually thought of Harris.

“Worn out by what they see as entrenched dysfunction and lack of focus, key West Wing aides have largely thrown up their hands at Vice President Kamala Harris and her staff — deciding there simply isn’t time to deal with them right now, especially at a moment when President Joe Biden faces quickly multiplying legislative and political concerns.”

One of those multiplying concerns was the southern border. And Biden needed help.

But as CNN reported, Harris fled the assignment.

“Harris herself has said she didn’t want to be assigned to manage the border, aware that it was a no-win political situation that would only sandbag her in the future.”

Americans might read that and logically think, why would we expect a President Kamala Harris to solve a serious national problem at the border when it so obviously grips her with fear?

From there, this discussion leads to the disastrous Lester Holt interview, in which the NBC anchor pressed Harris on why, she herself, had never been to the border.

Her answer?

“And I haven’t been to Europe.”
 

Harris was the second woman chosen as border czar by the president.

After 100 days on the job, Roberta Jacobson, President Joe Biden’s first border czar, left the role on April 9, 2021, after already “grappling with large increases of migrants attempting to cross into the U.S.,” The Los Angeles Times reported, saying, “Biden’s border czar … is stepping down.”

Before she did, Biden announced in a March 24, 2021, news conference that Harris would be responsible for addressing the southwest border surge that already began within days of him taking office. “I can think of nobody who's better qualified to do this than the former” California attorney general, Biden said.
 
Do not come

This is the sum total of Kamala's border accomplishments.


She stated this while visiting Central America.
 
Sounds like those lies should be easily disproved with all the data that says how well the Biden administration has done on the issue. So again, why the worry?
Because it is a complex issue dealt with superficially in our sound bite culture. “Biden opened the border” is bumper-sticker language, easier to say then “Biden is attempting to control illegal immigration even as he is trying to honor US law and treaty commitments towards asylum seekers.”
 
Keeping it “porous” is a right wing agenda. They were completely happy to shoot down the initially bipartisan bill to address the problem, and right wingers like the low prices that undocumented worked bring them. And of course they don’t do anything to address employers of undocumented workers.
Another fantasy rewrite of history by Democrat propagandists. Yes, Republicans rejected the backroom secret deal that would have regularized illegal immigration at massive levels. This was after the Democrat Senate majority leader arbitrarily killed the House passed comprehensive immigration reform with no consideration. Democrats gamed the system for political posturing. They had no interest in actual solutions.
Conservatives want to fix the border as much as as they want to fix the debt (not at all).
 
Another fantasy rewrite of history by Democrat propagandists. Yes, Republicans rejected the backroom secret deal that would have regularized illegal immigration at massive levels. This was after the Democrat Senate majority leader arbitrarily killed the House passed comprehensive immigration reform with no consideration. Democrats gamed the system for political posturing. They had no interest in actual solutions.

You love the low prices undocumented workers bring you. That's why all you want to do is bitch incessantly about them.
 
You love the low prices undocumented workers bring you. That's why all you want to do is bitch incessantly about them.
Another fantasy this time a blatantly wrong projection. Democrats want to use illegals to create a permanent, dependent underclass. Kindly point out my posts where I praise illegal immigration for low prices. Didn't happen.

Here is a list of Biden’s executive actions that created the open border.


Like Caesar Chavez observed, illegal immigration depresses wages. It's nothing but demagoguery tp claim I favor that.
 
Another fantasy this time a blatantly wrong projection. Democrats want to use illegals to create a permanent, dependent underclass. Kindly point out my posts where I praise illegal immigration for low prices. Didn't happen.

Here is a list of Biden’s executive actions that created the open border.


Like Caesar Chavez observed, illegal immigration depresses wages. It's nothing but demagoguery tp claim I favor that.

So if you really think that Democrats are for undocumented workers and Republicans aren't, then why is the only time Republicans talk about employers when I ask them about it? The Republican solution to undocumented workers isn't to punish the employers, and that's how you know what they really want.
 
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if they cannot or are not willing to take care of a crisis that the majority of americans WANT taken care of, then they need to lose and go away.
Illegal immigration is now down to its lowest point since January 2021, when Biden assumed office.
 
Another fantasy this time a blatantly wrong projection. Democrats want to use illegals to create a permanent, dependent underclass. Kindly point out my posts where I praise illegal immigration for low prices. Didn't happen.
Illegal immigration is now down to its lowest point since January 2021, when Biden assumed office.
 
Because it is a complex issue dealt with superficially in our sound bite culture. “Biden opened the border” is bumper-sticker language, easier to say then “Biden is attempting to control illegal immigration even as he is trying to honor US law and treaty commitments towards asylum seekers.”
Well parroted.

They went soft on border enforcement because that’s what their base — the inventors of the “Sanctuary City” — wanted.
 
Illegal immigration is now down to its lowest point since January 2021, when Biden assumed office.
Parroting Biden’s talking point doesn't excuse the 10+ million illegals his administration has already ushered into the US. The 64 executive actions he took that Princess Kamala will continue if elected created the border crisis.
 
Parroting Biden’s talking point doesn't excuse the 10+ million illegals his administration has already ushered into the US. The 64 executive actions he took that Princess Kamala will continue if elected created the border crisis.
Parroting the facts destroys Trump's talking points.
 
How well do you think she did in the job you think was given to her?

Nothing anyone, from either, party is going to do about this because we talk it one way and walk it another.

Until what we want of immigration, legal and illegal, matches what our aims to deal with it match and aren’t at cross purposes, it’s not getting fixed.

We either have to decide we don’t want it, and that means stop hiring the undocumented and enforce our no hire laws, or decide we do want the cheap labor and change the laws to make those crossing to do it not illegal.

Until the talking and the walking match we are nothing but hypocrites.
 
Nothing anyone, from either, party is going to do about this because we talk it one way and walk it another.

Until what we want of immigration, legal and illegal, matches what our aims to deal with it match and aren’t at cross purposes, it’s not getting fixed.

We either have to decide we don’t want it, and that means stop hiring the undocumented and enforce our no hire laws, or decide we do want the cheap labor and change the laws to make those crossing to do it not illegal.

Until the talking and the walking match we are nothing but hypocrites.
I agree, law enforcement is the only practical solution over the short term.
 
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