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Kamala Harris was not appointed as the "border czar"

How well do you think she did in the job you think was given to her?
One would have to see what measures were taken by the governments she addressed, and those are unlikely to want to be seen as complying with US instructions.

And for the umteenth time, the border is not open. US officials are capturing and returning illegals, even as they allow others seeking asylum to pursue their claims per U.S. law and treaty obligations.
 
Arguing that this has been going on for a very long time is like downplaying a category 5 hurricane because there has always been wind and rain.

It's an issue because under Biden the border crossing rate has been smashing all previous records, and it has been such because Biden has been signaling being very soft of enforcement, and all but guaranteeing border crossers six months at least in the US while they wait on a court date, and their stay is accompanied by cash, food and lodging.
Got anything to back up your claims?

If so, copy and paste excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links.

Thanks.
 
Biggest proposed border changes in my lifetime. Republicans turned them after praising them for weeks. /shrug

Can you tell me what the Democrats have in their bill that is also in the Republican bill that has been sitting on Schumer's desk for years?

By the way, the Democrat favored bill is as "bipartisan" as the filibuster that blocked it. Can you tell me what is in the Democrat favored bill that can also be found in the bill the House Republicans passed and sent to the Senate over a year ago?

It always has been and probably will be just a campaign wedge issue. As soon as elections are over the caravans and concerns magically disappear. If we really wanted border crossings to stop and illegals not to work it’s well within our power.

Neither side is willing to budge on their demands, so it's not the Republicans blocking any more than it is the Democrats blocking. There are current two bills that Schumer, if he was interested, could merge into a bill that might be able to get through the Senate and the House, but he isn't interested.
 
The media is busy trying to scrub Kamala's past. Orwellian.

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What is Orwellian about posting the facts?

Harris wasn't responsible for the numbers of immigrants or for the immigrants themselves. That some in the media made the decision to use the term "border czar" is on those outlets. Their use of that moniker didn't impose additional responsibilities, nor did it enhance her authority.


March 31, 2021

...Harris’ job is to coordinate diplomacy with Mexico and the three countries of Central America’s Northern Triangle — and that she’s not in charge of the border itself or the influx of migrants overwhelming U.S. officials there....
 
I keep seeing this claim that Harris failed in her duties as Biden's border czar. There's a perspective that she was given the job of fixing the border problem and she failed at it. I assume those who think this is true might want to know that it's actually not true.

Harris was never put in charge of the border or made "border czar," immigration experts said. President Joe Biden tasked Harris with leading the administration's diplomatic efforts addressing the "root causes" of migration in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras.


Harris was not asked to be the administration's "border czar" or to oversee immigration policy and enforcement at the U.S.-Mexico border. That has mainly been the responsibility of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas and his department, which oversees the country's main three immigration agencies, including Customs and Border Protection.


But Ms. Harris was not, in fact, appointed border czar, nor was she tasked with addressing the broader problems plaguing the border itself


Now that we've established the truth of the matter, we can positively identify a few elected officials who have lied to you about it:


And the next time you see Trump or anyone else repeating the claim, you'll know that they're lying to you. Vote accordingly.

Hope that helps!



Dear Republicans...

The 'border problem' was
I keep seeing this claim that Harris failed in her duties as Biden's border czar. There's a perspective that she was given the job of fixing the border problem and she failed at it. I assume those who think this is true might want to know that it's actually not true.

Harris was never put in charge of the border or made "border czar," immigration experts said. President Joe Biden tasked Harris with leading the administration's diplomatic efforts addressing the "root causes" of migration in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras.


Harris was not asked to be the administration's "border czar" or to oversee immigration policy and enforcement at the U.S.-Mexico border. That has mainly been the responsibility of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas and his department, which oversees the country's main three immigration agencies, including Customs and Border Protection.


But Ms. Harris was not, in fact, appointed border czar, nor was she tasked with addressing the broader problems plaguing the border itself


Now that we've established the truth of the matter, we can positively identify a few elected officials who have lied to you about it:


And the next time you see Trump or anyone else repeating the claim, you'll know that they're lying to you. Vote accordingly.

Hope that helps!


Wasn't little Mini Man Mickie Maga supposed to do that?

Oh....wait, by bad. His bill got trashed by Donald somebody
 
Can you tell me what the Democrats have in their bill that is also in the Republican bill that has been sitting on Schumer's desk for years?

By the way, the Democrat favored bill is as "bipartisan" as the filibuster that blocked it. Can you tell me what is in the Democrat favored bill that can also be found in the bill the House Republicans passed and sent to the Senate over a year ago?



Neither side is willing to budge on their demands, so it's not the Republicans blocking any more than it is the Democrats blocking. There are current two bills that Schumer, if he was interested, could merge into a bill that might be able to get through the Senate and the House, but he isn't interested.
Btw, the fact remains, that Senate Republicans demanded that border legislation be included in a bill to provide aid to Ukraine and to Israel.

The fact remains Senate Republicans and Democrats worked together and produced bipartisan legislation that, among other things, would have provided funds for additional border agents and for more infrastructure/facilities.

The fact remains that Senate Republicans then scuttled the bill that included the border legislation they had demanded.
 
She was slated by the administration to take care of it, to me that is being in control of the task, and she is culpable for the failure.

regardless of what she was called, she failed at the border task she was given. Revisionism will not change this.

So YOU say.

Show your work. Where in writing is there anything to back up your lie?
 
I keep seeing this claim that Harris failed in her duties as Biden's border czar. There's a perspective that she was given the job of fixing the border problem and she failed at it. I assume those who think this is true might want to know that it's actually not true.

Harris was never put in charge of the border or made "border czar," immigration experts said. President Joe Biden tasked Harris with leading the administration's diplomatic efforts addressing the "root causes" of migration in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras.


Harris was not asked to be the administration's "border czar" or to oversee immigration policy and enforcement at the U.S.-Mexico border. That has mainly been the responsibility of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas and his department, which oversees the country's main three immigration agencies, including Customs and Border Protection.


But Ms. Harris was not, in fact, appointed border czar, nor was she tasked with addressing the broader problems plaguing the border itself


Now that we've established the truth of the matter, we can positively identify a few elected officials who have lied to you about it:


And the next time you see Trump or anyone else repeating the claim, you'll know that they're lying to you. Vote accordingly.

Hope that helps!
Exactly! I’ve been trying to explain how it works for weeks now, people just don’t get it. That’s a responsibility always given to the vice president. Don’t people remember when Mike Pence went to the border as vice president?
 
Btw, the fact remains, that Senate Republicans demanded that border legislation be included in a bill to provide aid to Ukraine and to Israel.

The fact remains Senate Republicans and Democrats worked together and produced bipartisan legislation that, among other things, would have provided funds for additional border agents and for more infrastructure/facilities.

The fact remains that Senate Republicans then scuttled the bill that included the border legislation they had demanded.
 
Can you tell me what the Democrats have in their bill that is also in the Republican bill that has been sitting on Schumer's desk for years?

By the way, the Democrat favored bill is as "bipartisan" as the filibuster that blocked it. Can you tell me what is in the Democrat favored bill that can also be found in the bill the House Republicans passed and sent to the Senate over a year ago?



Neither side is willing to budge on their demands, so it's not the Republicans blocking any more than it is the Democrats blocking. There are current two bills that Schumer, if he was interested, could merge into a bill that might be able to get through the Senate and the House, but he isn't interested.
Cut the crap. It was created in conjunction with Republicans in a bipartisan way. Lankford, McConnell, Graham and others were praising it. We all saw them all in until Trump told them not to. Enjoy your election issue because that's the only seriousness the GOP gives the issue. They don't want this fixed. FFS they said exactly that out loud.
 
Again, Harris wasn't president. She doesn't have a whole lot of executive authority. Moreover, contrary to what you believe, presidents can't just shut down the border whenever they feel like it. Congress can pass laws that fund and staff DHS, ICE, USCIS, CBP, etc... and presidents can sign them into law and staff agencies once they're passed.

My search of this thread shows you have done a number of posts in this thread, so I'll choose this one to ask you a question about numbers.

Was there an increase in the numbers of humans illegally crossing our nation's borders in the first couple of years of this administration's term? It is a simple question that requires a simple Yes or No and if you wish to start stalling this bird and putting it into a spin, I'll forgive you. I will then be aware that you are required to toe the party line and I think any middle-brain to even smarter knows what the party line is.

So do you want to fly straight and level and maintain altitude, or do you want to take this post/question into a spin?

Or maybe are you going to use that oft repeated line that I added too much fluff to my question? Many of your fellow DebatePolitics community members have used that in dodging my questions around here. That one is getting a bit old.

Why my reference to "flying straight" you might ask? Because of that oft repeated idea about being straight with questions and answers. You gonna be straight with me? Or you gonna play dodge ball?
 
No.

March 31, 2021

...Harris’ job is to coordinate diplomacy with Mexico and the three countries of Central America’s Northern Triangle — and that she’s not in charge of the border itself or the influx of migrants overwhelming U.S. officials there....
Suggests you read up on the thread. You're well behind.
 
One would have to see what measures were taken by the governments she addressed, and those are unlikely to want to be seen as complying with US instructions.

And for the umteenth time, the border is not open. US officials are capturing and returning illegals, even as they allow others seeking asylum to pursue their claims per U.S. law and treaty obligations.
They Harris should have no problem with his issue in the fall campaign. Why worry about it?
 
They Harris should have no problem with his issue in the fall campaign. Why worry about it?

Indeed she should. Republicans gave her a talking point and she should use it. Nothing more disingenuous then bitching about a border crisis then being given an opportunity to fund more boots on the ground, more surveillance in the air, more administrative support to expedite processing, tougher criteria for granting asylum...and then voting it down just to please Dictator Donnie. She should say it pretty much like that because that's the reality.

I never want to hear conservatives complain about the border again because they don't really want the problem to go away unless it's their president being blamed for it.
 
Indeed she should. Republicans gave her a talking point and she should use it. Nothing more disingenuous then bitching about a border crisis then being given an opportunity to fund more boots on the ground, more surveillance in the air, more administrative support to expedite processing, tougher criteria for granting asylum...and then voting it down just to please Dictator Donnie. She should say it pretty much like that because that's the reality.

I never want to hear conservatives complain about the border again because they don't really want the problem to go away unless it's their president being blamed for it.
What's interesting is that when Americans are polled on what they think the top problems are (not issues, problems), they say inflation and immigration. If voters tend to see those matters as problems, whom do you think they're likely to see as responsible for those problems, the administration from 4 years ago on the current one?
 
An interesting graph from Real Clear: average favorability vs unfavorability ratings from Harris and Trump. I'm not quite sure what to make of it.

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Source: https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/favorability/trump-vs-harris

Why did Kamala's ratings start tanking in late 2021? She's been lower than Trump most of the time thereafter.
 
What's interesting is that when Americans are polled on what they think the top problems are (not issues, problems), they say inflation and immigration. If voters tend to see those matters as problems, whom do you think they're likely to see as responsible for those problems, the administration from 4 years ago on the current one?

I think the right candidate could point out how full of shit Republicans are and persuade at least some Americans to rethink their assumptions when it comes to both inflation and even more so on the border crisis - that Republicans don't really give a shit about other than using it as a political tool. I'm hoping Harris can make that case. She's a prosecutor, after all, so if she doesn't take a swing at that hanging curve ball, then shame on her, I guess.
 
An interesting graph from Real Clear: average favorability vs unfavorability ratings from Harris and Trump. I'm not quite sure what to make of it.

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Source: https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/favorability/trump-vs-harris

Why did Kamala's ratings start tanking in late 2021? She's been lower than Trump most of the time thereafter.

Oranges and apples. Kamala Harris has been largely in the background until now. That's going to change now she's at the top of the ticket.
 
I keep seeing this claim that Harris failed in her duties as Biden's border czar. There's a perspective that she was given the job of fixing the border problem and she failed at it. I assume those who think this is true might want to know that it's actually not true.

Harris was never put in charge of the border or made "border czar," immigration experts said. President Joe Biden tasked Harris with leading the administration's diplomatic efforts addressing the "root causes" of migration in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras.


Harris was not asked to be the administration's "border czar" or to oversee immigration policy and enforcement at the U.S.-Mexico border. That has mainly been the responsibility of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas and his department, which oversees the country's main three immigration agencies, including Customs and Border Protection.


But Ms. Harris was not, in fact, appointed border czar, nor was she tasked with addressing the broader problems plaguing the border itself


Now that we've established the truth of the matter, we can positively identify a few elected officials who have lied to you about it:


And the next time you see Trump or anyone else repeating the claim, you'll know that they're lying to you. Vote accordingly.

Hope that helps!

Harris’ main focus, a senior administration official told reporters earlier Wednesday, will be two-pronged: working to slow the flow of “irregular migrants” by addressing “the root causes” that prompt them to leave their home countries as well as strengthening relationships with Mexico and the Northern Triangle countries where the bulk of the migrants arriving at the U.S. border come from.




The role puts Harris front-and-center at one of the most politically risky issues for the White House as it struggles with an influx of migrant children at the southern border. Harris acknowledged this, saying there “is no question this is a challenging situation,” but said that she would be looking forward to discussions with the leaders of the nations.
Absolutely no Democrat or major media source is going to ask her what she did to address the root causes or how to reduce the long term causes. This is the usual bullshit. She did nothing, you know it, I know it, everybody knows it.
 
Oranges and apples. Kamala Harris has been largely in the background until now. That's going to change now she's at the top of the ticket.
If she's only been in the background, why did her favorability rating change so much? One would think it would have remained flat if she was out of sight.
 
If she's only been in the background, why did her favorability rating change so much? One would think it would have remained flat if she was out of sight.

It rose and fell with Biden's approval rating, which is true for probably most officials serving in his administration. I'm not disputing that there are (and will be) a lot of voters who don't necessarily like her, but whether they like her is a completely different question than would they vote for her or Donald Trump. A lot of people don't like her opponent, either.
 
It rose and fell with Biden's approval rating, which is true for probably most officials serving in his administration. I'm not disputing that there are (and will be) a lot of voters who don't necessarily like her, but whether they like her is a completely different question than would they vote for her or Donald Trump. A lot of people don't like her opponent, either.
That's a fair point. She's been tied to Biden.
 
That's a fair point. She's been tied to Biden.

Which is why I'm trying to keep my excitement in check. I'm excited that Biden aborted takeoff because that plane was going to crash. Kamala Harris will have a chance to define herself as a person and brand herself as a candidate. I'm realistic. This is probably an even race in terms of national polling, but we're still in a precarious spot at the state level, where the Trump campaign has been working on reelection for the last 2-3 years. This isn't going to be the cakewalk for Kamala that some people here think it's going to be. She could definitely lose this race, but a week ago, we were staring at at 320-339 electoral vote map for Trump. I'll take this for now.
 
Which is why I'm trying to keep my excitement in check. I'm excited that Biden aborted takeoff because that plane was going to crash. Kamala Harris will have a chance to define herself as a person and brand herself as a candidate. I'm realistic. This is probably an even race in terms of national polling, but we're still in a precarious spot at the state level, where the Trump campaign has been working on reelection for the last 2-3 years. This isn't going to be the cakewalk for Kamala that some people here think it's going to be. She could definitely lose this race, but a week ago, we were staring at at 320-339 electoral vote map for Trump. I'll take this for now.
IMO, she’s going to have a bump, and even one that puts her past Trump in the polls. Then something will happen and she will start to fall back. Then it’s just a question of where she levels off.
 
IMO, she’s going to have a bump, and even one that puts her past Trump in the polls. Then something will happen and she will start to fall back. Then it’s just a question of where she levels off.

Agree
 
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