Kamala Harris was not appointed as the "border czar"

[Nickyjo]

Well parroted.

They went soft on border enforcement because that’s what their base — the inventors of the “Sanctuary City” — wanted.

And it’s what the law and treaty requirements want with respect to asylum seekers. The principles involved in Sanctuary City declarations were different, and dealt with undocumented immigrants.

 

[NatMorton]

And it’s what the law and treaty requirements want with respect to asylum seekers. The principles involved in Sanctuary City declarations were different, and dealt with undocumented immigrants.

That is gibberish. Asylum seekers need not be released until their case is adjudicated, and Sanctuary City’s were not just protecting asylum seekers.

 

[Aurora]

Parroting Biden’s talking point doesn't excuse the 10+ million illegals his administration has already ushered into the US. The 64 executive actions he took that Princess Kamala will continue if elected created the border crisis.

Kamala is pure MIGA Make Illegals Great Again. and she is proud of it.

 

[Aurora]

You are missing the point. I never said the bill wasn't bipartisan, I'm saying that the filibuster was also bipartisan, and there were more Senate Democrats who chose to filibuster than there were Senate Republicans involved in writing the bill.

And the fact remains that the Republican House bill that addresses the border has already passed the house and is sitting on Schumer's desk and has been for 15 months. THe Democrats decided that they should address this crisis that they have denied even existed for 3 years because it was hurting them in the election year, still play political games with the legislation and then blame the Republicans for playing politics in an election year?

The Democrats are entirely at fault for dragging the border crisis into an election year.



You are pretending a rumor is fact. Your interpretation was a lie told by Chuck Schumer.

Trump's actual statement was that Congress shouldn't tie US border legislation to foreign aid the way the Democrats wanted to do it. While Schumer and the Democrats will tell you that the May 2024 bill was a clean border bill, the reading of the bill quickly proves that he was lying. This supposed clean border bill included funding requests for both Ukraine and Israel (the latter almost certainly the reason the Democrats joined the filibuster).

So no, I reject your chosen narrative that is built on the lies of Chuck Schumer. He is free to offer a bill that addresses the border and only the border, but he refuses to while he lies to you that he did.

Hell, most of what the Democrats say they want with the border bill has nothing to do with why the bill failed.

They could provide a bill that only includes the legislation granting the president more control over the border (I'll entertain that it is even necessary for the sake of argument) and that strengthens the requirement for applying for asylum and they could pass it tomorrow... the only reason that the bill could be filibustered was because of the appropriations contained in the bill, much of which was military spending connected to Ukraine and Israel.

So again, no. Republicans didn't drag the issue into the election year, the Democrats did... and the final bill that was killed was not a clean border bill, which is why it died, again.

The biggest issue at this point, as I see it, is the habit of Congress in the last decade or so to package very disparate legislation into a single bill as a way of protecting themselves from public backlash. It also allows them to build false narratives to attack other members of congress for "not voting on the bill to fix [insert crisis]" when it is likely that what the given congress member was voting against was some other piece of the legislation not connected to [insert crisis].

Congress should write targeted legislation that addresses a single issue that will allow all members of Congress to go on record voting for or against legislation on a specific issue.

And I leave you with one of my favorites scenes from the Simpsons that demonstrates the issue perfectly

Bragging about destroying border protections.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

I agree, law enforcement is the only practical solution over the short term.

Yes but that law enforcement, for effectiveness, needs to be pointed at the hiring violators rather than the immigrants.

 

[NatMorton]

Yes but that law enforcement, for effectiveness, needs to be pointed at the hiring violators rather than the immigrants.

I don't see why seeing as both are committing a crime.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

I don't see why seeing as both are committing a crime.

As I said, its about effectiveness. You arrest some hiring large amounts of the undocumented it sets a trend, they stop hiring across the board, the word gets out quickly that there will be no jobs, they stop coming and many of those here with no jobs any longer - no money to send back home - go back.

The other way requires many more arrests. It still doesn't stop the flow because they are still hiring. It costs a good deal more money and takes more resources.

Going after the those doing the hiring is the faster, cheaper, less resource intensive method that also gets the job done more effectively.

 

[AZRWinger]

Parroting the facts destroys Trump's talking points.

It will be great when you change to fact based discussion instead of attacking thosr who do.

 

[justabubba]

Worth pointing out, but people like soundbites and immigration is the #1 issue for a lot of people, including many independents. This is probably her biggest weakness this election. My suggestion would be to say that the immigration problem has plagued both Dem and GOP administrations. Trump did not solve immigration, and he actively obstructed bipartisan efforts to help solve the problem this year because he thought it would hurt his campaign. It's time to stop the politicization of the issue and for both sides to work together to finally reform the system. Something like that.

Obama apprehended more undocumented migrants than Trump, as did Biden
Team Kamala should push this issue forward now and document the factual reality of how Trump impeded the by partisan approach as well as under performed the administration before, and after his own when it came to protecting the border

 

[Nickyjo]

That is gibberish. Asylum seekers need not be released until their case is adjudicated, and Sanctuary City’s were not just protecting asylum seekers.

Correct. That’s what I said. Sanctuary Cities were not declared to protect asylum seekers. As to releasing asylum seekers, international standards suggest that they not be detained, with exceptions during mass influx. Given the current situation, the US could set up humanely administered camps to detain them. If properly resourced, so that claims could be adjudicated more rapidly and those not eligible to remain returned more quickly, that might deter frivolous claims. Such a system worked some time ago in Arizona, to the satisfaction of the immigration service and asylum advocates.

 

[NatMorton]

Correct. That’s what I said. Sanctuary Cities were not declared to protect asylum seekers. As to releasing asylum seekers, international standards suggest that they not be detained, with exceptions during mass influx. Given the current situation, the US could set up humanely administered camps to detain them. If properly resourced, so that claims could be adjudicated more rapidly and those not eligible to remain returned more quickly, that might deter frivolous claims. Such a system worked some time ago in Arizona, to the satisfaction of the immigration service and asylum advocates.

Again, but you have to want to detain asylum seekers until their case is decided. For the most part, the Democrats don’t. The Biden administration certainly had no interest in that. They were too busy throwing up their hands and blaming climate change for the immigration problem.

 

[HumblePi]

And rather odd at the time the task was described not merely as finding root causes, but, in Biden's own words, ""stemming the migration to our southern border."

Biden tasks Harris with 'stemming the migration' on southern border

The vice president is expected to focus on both curbing the current flow of migrants and coordinating with countries in the region to address the root causes of migration.

www.nbcnews.com

You might want to guard against the Harris campaign CYA spin on this one.

Would you put the label on Mike Pence, as the 'border Czar' for Donald Trump? He was tasked with going to the border on behalf of Trump. Did Trump 'appoint' him? NO, he didn't and neither did Joe Biden 'appoint' Kamala Harris 'border Czar'. Visiting the southern border has always been a task assigned to the Vice President. It's in their job description.

It's just a fact that Kamala Harris was never put in charge of the border or immigration policy. As VP, Kamala Harris does not write policy. She was never involved in overseeing law-enforcement efforts or guiding the federal response to the crisis. Kamala's mandate was much narrower; to focus on examining and improving the underlying conditions in the Northern Triangle of Central America, El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. Kamala Harris traveled to these impoverished countries. Has any other VP traveled further than the border of Texas or Arizona? Has any other VP met with the President of Guatemala or the President of Mexico to have frank and honest discussions with them on immigration? I don't believe so, but let me know if I'm wrong about this.

I've known for years, there is no 'fixing' the amount of immigrants coming to the border by simply arming our borders or putting up walls. These countries are racked by decades of poverty, war, violence and non-stop political instability. And this is where Kamala Harris addressed these issues, right in those countries where people are flooding our borders. The strategy of Joe Biden was to improve living and working conditions in countries like Guatemala and El Salvador by allocating billions for economic programs that stimulate private investments in these regions in the hope that these programs will ultimately lead to fewer migrants making the dangerous journey to our southern borders.

People don't want to pick up and leave their lives behind in their own country. They want to remain where they were born and where their families live. But, they can't do that if life there is unsustainable and dangerous. Creating jobs and opportunity in these countries is where it has to begin, which leads to the beginning of the end of mass immigration to our borders.

 

[multivita-man]

Such laughable horseshit.

The immigration legislation didnt STOP illegal immigration. It didnt even kick in until over 5000 new illegal immigrants crossed the border every single day. Its provisions for manpower was not to secure the border but rather to process illegals in QUICKER.

Here's what GOP Senator James Lankford said about the bill:

Senator Lankford bill

The bill works to stop the illegal immigration chaos now and in the future. Here are some of the details:

• NO amnesty—period
• NO free work permits handed out at the border
• NO more 10-year wait for an asylum hearing
• Builds the wall
• More ICE agents for deportations
• More Border Patrol agents for arrests
• More asylum officers for faster hearings and deportation
• More than $650 million is recapitalized for border wall construction next year
• Adds more technology at the border to interdict drugs and illegal crossings
• Increases detention beds to 50,000 to end catch and release
• Doubles the number of deportation flights
• Ends the cartel trick of trafficking children with adults so the adults can enter the country faster
• Raises the standard to prove an asylum request, so people coming to our border can no longer just say, “I have fear in my country” and get released into America for years
• Deports anyone seeking asylum with a criminal record immediately, instead of the current policy of deporting them years from now
• Deports any alien who could have resettled in another country on the way to the United States
• Deports any alien who came to America to seek “protection,” but they could have just moved to another town in their own country and been safe
• Adds more asylum officers for screening to make sure the handful of people who actually qualify for asylum are able to be considered for that process fast and the majority of people who do not qualify for asylum are deported faster
• Creates a new Title 42-like authority to shut down and deport everyone when the border is being overrun-
• Currently when there is a caravan of people, everyone is released into the country because there is not enough time to process everyone fully. This new authority would reverse that by deporting everyone when the border is overrun with too many people to process.
• Creates sanctions for the criminal cartels who traffic dangerous drugs like fentanyl and meth into our country
• Finally finishes vetting the Afghan refugees that have been in our country for two years and accelerates the processing of the Afghans that fought alongside our troops who are already in the country
• Moves our national strategy one giant step closer to zero illegal crossings a day

MAGA Jesus told his brainless, soulless disciplines in the House to vote it down, so they did.

 

[NatMorton]

I've known for years, there is no 'fixing' the amount of immigrants coming to the border by simply arming our borders or putting up walls. These countries are racked by decades of poverty, war, violence and non-stop political instability. And this is where Kamala Harris addressed these issues, right in those countries where people are flooding our borders. The strategy of Joe Biden was to improve living and working conditions in countries like Guatemala and El Salvador by allocating billions for economic programs that stimulate private investments in these regions in the hope that these programs will ultimately lead to fewer migrants making the dangerous journey to our southern borders.

This is exactly what the administration wants you to believe: that the only way to solve the immigration problem is to solve a set of intractable problems in half a dozen countries 1000’s of miles away. That is a lie, and there is a far simpler method.

You stop the flow of illegal migration across our southern border (the second part of Harris’s assignment that no one on the left seems to remember) by guarding the border and using force against anyone who seeks to evade border control.

The administration’s action and inaction on this issue starts to make sense once you realize one simple thing: the progressive left has no interest in “solving” the immigration problem because they have no interest in stopping illegal immigration.

 

[NatMorton]

Left-wing logic: There’s only one real solution to the illegal immigration problem: nation building in Latin America. It’s worked before, right?

 

[MAGAnificent]

I keep seeing this claim that Harris failed in her duties as Biden's border czar. There's a perspective that she was given the job of fixing the border problem and she failed at it. I assume those who think this is true might want to know that it's actually not true.

Harris was never put in charge of the border or made "border czar," immigration experts said. President Joe Biden tasked Harris with leading the administration's diplomatic efforts addressing the "root causes" of migration in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras.

Harris' border work was on 'root causes' of migration; she wasn't in charge | Fact check

The post mischaracterizes Harris' work on migration. She was tasked with leading efforts addressing the "root causes" of migration in Central America.

www.usatoday.com

Harris was not asked to be the administration's "border czar" or to oversee immigration policy and enforcement at the U.S.-Mexico border. That has mainly been the responsibility of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas and his department, which oversees the country's main three immigration agencies, including Customs and Border Protection.

The facts about Kamala Harris' role on immigration in the Biden administration

In her immigration role, Vice President Kamala Harris has mainly focused on convincing companies to invest in Central America and promoting democracy and development.

www.cbsnews.com

But Ms. Harris was not, in fact, appointed border czar, nor was she tasked with addressing the broader problems plaguing the border itself

Why Republicans Keep Calling Kamala Harris the ‘Border Czar’

The misleading phrase is meant to underscore one of the thorniest issues in her portfolio: immigration.

www.nytimes.com

Now that we've established the truth of the matter, we can positively identify a few elected officials who have lied to you about it:

Sen. Rick Scott Calls “Border Czar” VP Harris to Fulfill Constitutional Duty & Preside Over Mayorkas Impeachment

www.rickscott.senate.gov

Stefanik Introduces Resolution Condemning Border Czar Kamala Harris’ Role in the Open Border Crisis

stefanik.house.gov

Rep. Jackson Introduces Legislation to Hold Border Czar Kamala Harris, Biden Administration Accountable for Border Crisis Failures

jackson.house.gov

And the next time you see Trump or anyone else repeating the claim, you'll know that they're lying to you. Vote accordingly.

Hope that helps!

Biden tasks Harris with tackling migrant influx on US-Mexico border

The numbers of migrants crossing the southern US border has risen since Mr Biden took office.

www.bbc.com

 

[Fletch]

Would you put the label on Mike Pence, as the 'border Czar' for Donald Trump? He was tasked with going to the border on behalf of Trump. Did Trump 'appoint' him? NO, he didn't and neither did Joe Biden 'appoint' Kamala Harris 'border Czar'. Visiting the southern border has always been a task assigned to the Vice President. It's in their job description.

It's just a fact that Kamala Harris was never put in charge of the border or immigration policy. As VP, Kamala Harris does not write policy. She was never involved in overseeing law-enforcement efforts or guiding the federal response to the crisis. Kamala's mandate was much narrower; to focus on examining and improving the underlying conditions in the Northern Triangle of Central America, El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. Kamala Harris traveled to these impoverished countries. Has any other VP traveled further than the border of Texas or Arizona? Has any other VP met with the President of Guatemala or the President of Mexico to have frank and honest discussions with them on immigration? I don't believe so, but let me know if I'm wrong about this.

I've known for years, there is no 'fixing' the amount of immigrants coming to the border by simply arming our borders or putting up walls. These countries are racked by decades of poverty, war, violence and non-stop political instability. And this is where Kamala Harris addressed these issues, right in those countries where people are flooding our borders. The strategy of Joe Biden was to improve living and working conditions in countries like Guatemala and El Salvador by allocating billions for economic programs that stimulate private investments in these regions in the hope that these programs will ultimately lead to fewer migrants making the dangerous journey to our southern borders.

People don't want to pick up and leave their lives behind in their own country. They want to remain where they were born and where their families live. But, they can't do that if life there is unsustainable and dangerous. Creating jobs and opportunity in these countries is where it has to begin, which leads to the beginning of the end of mass immigration to our borders.

Border Czar Harris was put in charge of the border. Not sure why you libs see this as a negative since, according to Mayorkas, the border has been secure for the entire Bidunce presidency. You should be cheering on this massive success of hers, no?

 

[gbg3]

As I recall, she was assigned to try to find ways to reduce the root causes of immigration, which is very important. I'm not aware she got anything done, which is bad.

Certainly some good and fair honesty here. Her efforts did nothing to stem migration, which was a clearly stated part of her root causes assignment.

 

[HumblePi]

This is exactly what the administration wants you to believe: that the only way to solve the immigration problem is to solve a set of intractable problems in half a dozen countries 1000’s of miles away. That is a lie, and there is a far simpler method.

You stop the flow of illegal migration across our southern border (the second part of Harris’s assignment that no one on the left seems to remember) by guarding the border and using force against anyone who seeks to evade border control.

The administration’s action and inaction on this issue starts to make sense once you realize one simple thing: the progressive left has no interest in “solving” the immigration problem because they have no interest in stopping illegal immigration.

People would never leave their own country if they had the ability to support their family, or have adequate medical care. People would not leave if they weren't extorted for money by cartels who threaten to rape their daughters or kill them if they don't pay up. People would never leave their country if they could get every day, common items like toilet paper and eggs. People wouldn't leave their country if their governments weren't historically run by dictators like those in the such as Hidalgo, Quiroga, Moreno, Díaz, Trujillo, Perón, Castro, Pinochet, and Stroessner and Maduro in Venezuela.

There is always, I repeat --ALWAYS, a root cause for people who choose to flee their homeland and risk their own lives by trekking through a thousand miles of mountains and rough terrain with their child on their shoulder. It's just not logical, not in the least.

 

[HumblePi]

Border Czar Harris was put in charge of the border. Not sure why you libs see this as a negative since, according to Mayorkas, the border has been secure for the entire Bidunce presidency. You should be cheering on this massive success of hers, no?

Maybe you didn't understand the first time, so I'll repeat this. The Vice President of any administration, as part of their VP duties, is to visit the southern border. Got that now? Was Mike Pence 'appointed' by Trump to be the U.S. 'border czar' ? DUH, no he was not. But, Mike Pence 'visited' the border, didn't he?

 

[gbg3]

Trying to address the reasons that people are fleeing their home countries would certainly play a part in "stemming the migration to" the Mexico/US border.

It would play a part if she was successful, but she was not. This conversation took place in another thread yesterday and, right when it was underway, the exact same topic was being discussed on Bret Baier's show and they produced numbers. Here they are. As you can see, here "stemming" efforts were a complete failure.

Okay, well I can contribute to my "outcome" question. I was just watching Bret Baier's show, and they were discussing the same topic and what actually came of Harris's (ahem) efforts - in a measurable outcome based, number of migrants coming from her "root causes" countries assignment.

As far as border crossers from the 4 countries of Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras (the countries Harris was to focus on regarding root causes) - here are the stats from CBP. Again, only these 4 countries are included.

In Trump's 4 years, there were 1.8 million encountered crossers. In Biden's term until now, there have been 4.31 million (a 140% increase over Trump's 4-year term).

In Obama's 8 years, there were 3.2 million encounters (Biden's 3.5-year numbers are even a 34% increase over Obama's 8-year total.

It will be most interesting to hear Harris try to defend her own "root causes" work. The current talking point cheat sheet, distributed for the Harris team to help with their addressing of questions on the topic, includes the following. I feel sorry for those asked to explain how her addressing of the "push" factors turned out.

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[iamwhatiseem]

I keep seeing this claim that Harris failed in her duties as Biden's border czar. There's a perspective that she was given the job of fixing the border problem and she failed at it. I assume those who think this is true might want to know that it's actually not true.

Harris was never put in charge of the border or made "border czar," immigration experts said. President Joe Biden tasked Harris with leading the administration's diplomatic efforts addressing the "root causes" of migration in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras.

Harris' border work was on 'root causes' of migration; she wasn't in charge | Fact check

The post mischaracterizes Harris' work on migration. She was tasked with leading efforts addressing the "root causes" of migration in Central America.

www.usatoday.com

Harris was not asked to be the administration's "border czar" or to oversee immigration policy and enforcement at the U.S.-Mexico border. That has mainly been the responsibility of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas and his department, which oversees the country's main three immigration agencies, including Customs and Border Protection.

The facts about Kamala Harris' role on immigration in the Biden administration

In her immigration role, Vice President Kamala Harris has mainly focused on convincing companies to invest in Central America and promoting democracy and development.

www.cbsnews.com

But Ms. Harris was not, in fact, appointed border czar, nor was she tasked with addressing the broader problems plaguing the border itself

Why Republicans Keep Calling Kamala Harris the ‘Border Czar’

The misleading phrase is meant to underscore one of the thorniest issues in her portfolio: immigration.

www.nytimes.com

Now that we've established the truth of the matter, we can positively identify a few elected officials who have lied to you about it:

Sen. Rick Scott Calls “Border Czar” VP Harris to Fulfill Constitutional Duty & Preside Over Mayorkas Impeachment

www.rickscott.senate.gov

Stefanik Introduces Resolution Condemning Border Czar Kamala Harris’ Role in the Open Border Crisis

stefanik.house.gov

Rep. Jackson Introduces Legislation to Hold Border Czar Kamala Harris, Biden Administration Accountable for Border Crisis Failures

jackson.house.gov

And the next time you see Trump or anyone else repeating the claim, you'll know that they're lying to you. Vote accordingly.

Hope that helps!

 

[gbg3]

If you can't grasp the logic that addressing the root causes for the migration would obviously reduce the amount of migration, I can't help you.

If done successfully, it might reduce the amount of migration. Harris's work was not successful. See post 246 for some actual numbers and then please specify what she did that successfully stemmed migration from the four countries in your opinion.

 

[hooligan]

If done successfully, it might reduce the amount of migration. Harris's work was not successful. See post 246 for some actual numbers and then please specify what she did that successfully stemmed migration from the four countries in your opinion.

Please quote the post where I claimed she was successful at stemming the migration from Central or South America.

 

[gbg3]

Whether VP Kamala Harris was named "Border Czar" or Point Person on the immigration issue or tasked with looking into the "root causes" of immigration. She failed miserably. Over and over people asked the question, "what is she doing".
Clearly she did little to nothing in that roll.

Psaki insists Harris still border czar after Guatemalan leader claims no contact

President Alejandro Giammattei claimed that he hasn’t heard from Vice President Harris since she visited Guatemala City to discuss the “root causes” of the immigration crisis.

nypost.com

That's correct! She did nothing helpful toward stemming migration or addressing root causes, and the numbers are clear.