Kamala Harris under fire after calling for abolition of private health care ...

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Kamala Harris under fire after calling for abolition of private health care ...

Harris didn't at all call for the "abolition of private health care." "Kinda sorta" she intimated acquiescence with the prospect of the end of private health insurance providers, or at least their having the materially dominant role they currently do in today's health care system and processes.

 

[ClaraD]

Which are liberal utopias. Incentive is something the left doesn't grasp and that so called help from the govt. has created most of the 21 trillion dollar debt we have today. Imagine what would happen if the private sector with no incentive to provide private healthcare insurance would adopt her Medicare for all plan and what would happen to an already inefficient and cash poor healthcare system? Just what we need more dollars for the federal bureaucrats to have and waste

What incentive is there if you are denied health insurance because your mother died from cancer?

 

[ludin]

Universal coverage is very popular (as, unsurprisingly, is the idea of eliminating personal spending on premiums or health care services). People tend to be very supportive of the phrase "Medicare for all" when they think it's just another phrase for universal coverage. The political challenge is that if people believe it means eliminating all existing health plans, the phrase becomes much less popular.

Kudos to Harris for owning that admission if that's actually what she wants to do, but it's more politically treacherous than being deliberately vague about the impacts or searching for alternative ways to get at universal coverage.

what you fail to realize the number 1 reason people will oppose it. which are the last 4 responses
which are the biggest area's of importance to people.
the 2nd question is a bust because it doesn't eliminate premiums it just switches the form premiums take.
so that question should be eliminated as misleading and incorrect.

Then don't buy into Medicaid in that scenario.

umm can't she wants to eliminate private healthcare hello do you not pay attention to the threads?
nor do you pay attention to anything else that says you are wrong and have been wrong for years.

 

[Greenbeard]

what you fail to realize the number 1 reason people will oppose it.

That's why the sentence in the post that starts with "The political challenge is ..." exists.

umm can't she wants to eliminate private healthcare hello do you not pay attention to the threads?
nor do you pay attention to anything else that says you are wrong and have been wrong for years.

ttwtt is male, not a she. And he was suggesting a Medicaid buy-in option, which by definition exists alongside other alternatives. In that scenario, if you don't like that option, you don't buy it.

 

[ludin]

That's why the sentence in the post that starts with "The political challenge is ..." exists.



ttwtt is male, not a she. And he was suggesting a Medicaid buy-in option, which by definition exists alongside other alternatives. In that scenario, if you don't like that option, you don't buy it.

harris is a she and she wants to get rid of private plans so again i don't have a choice.
i am stuck with what she decides i should have.

the whole point being your still wrong, and that won't change.

 

[Greenbeard]

harris is a she and she wants to get rid of private plans so again i don't have a choice.

The post you were responding to was about a Medicaid buy-in option, not what Harris said.

 

[pamak]

Her argument (assertion?) is that monopolies are bad unless they are run entirely by government elites (central planners?) who are allegedly accountable to the people. That, of course, is what yields things like Greece, Puerto Rico or Venezuela.

You make no sense. Her argument is based on worldwide experience which shows that social healthcare works very well, covers the whole population and is much cheaper than the private insurance market. This applies from Germany to Japan and most other countries. So, talking about Greece and Venezuela as examples of bad social policies does not make sense. In addition, the socialist healthcare does not eliminate the private insurance. It just demotes it to a supplementary role to cover some luxuries for those who can afford to pay for them. So a proposal for eliminating the US private insurance means eliminating its current form and not completely abolishing it. Also, such change does not come from some type of government law r decree. It comes naturally with the development of a non profit medicare for all which will make it very difficult for profit insurance companies to gain customers by offering private insurances at a much higher cost.

 

[Conservative]

What incentive is there if you are denied health insurance because your mother died from cancer?

My wife of 40years did die from cancer and we had great insurance so what is your point

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[pamak]

harris is a she and she wants to get rid of private plans so again i don't have a choice.
i am stuck with what she decides i should have.

the whole point being your still wrong, and that won't change.

Nobody said that you will not have a choice. You could still get private insurance. It will work like medicare when most procedures will be covered by a governmental healthcare at a much cheaper price, but you could still buy additional cove from the private market if you want extra things. This is what the rest of the world is doing and works very well. There is a reason you do not see a serious debate in other countries to eliminate government healthcare. Even in the US, when some hardcore conservatives try to undermine or eliminate medicare, they do not get support from seniors.

 

[ludin]

Harris didn't at all call for the "abolition of private health care." "Kinda sorta" she intimated acquiescence with the prospect of the end of private health insurance providers, or at least their having the materially dominant role they currently do in today's health care system and processes.

She was asked if people had insurance they liked they couldn't keep it?

she responded with an typical political hackery non-answer that ended with lets get rid of it and eliminate it.
that is probably the most honest part of her answer.

i do believe that it is 12:30-12:48 in the video.

 

[pamak]

My wife of 40years did die from cancer and we had great insurance so what is your point

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Not all people have great insurance, because in the US private healthcare has not been able to offer affordable coverage for a big part of the population.

 

[ludin]

Nobody said that you will not have a choice. You could still get private insurance. It will work like medicare when most procedures will be covered by a governmental healthcare at a much cheaper price, but you could still buy additional cove from the private market if you want extra things. This is what the rest of the world is doing and works very well. There is a reason you do not see a serious debate in other countries to eliminate government healthcare. Even in the US, when some hardcore conservatives try to undermine or eliminate medicare, they do not get support from seniors.

so i am paying for double the price and double the cost where now i just pay 1 price.
do you not yet see the stupidity? probably not.

So to get this medicare for all i have to pay a 20-30% extra in pay roll tax on what i make.
Now this wonderful government plan doesn't cover everything hence why most people on medicare have gap coverage.

so now i have to spend another 300+ dollars a month (I have a family so it would have to cover them to so probably about an extra 1k a month)
to get a supplemental plan.

where am i saving money again?

*sigh* you people need to use your head and put some logic behind this thing.
that also doesn't account for the doctors that i have now that i would lose that wouldn't take this government healthcare.

 

[pamak]

so i am paying for double the price and double the cost where now i just pay 1 price.
do you not yet see the stupidity? probably not.

So to get this medicare for all i have to pay a 20-30% extra in pay roll tax on what i make.
Now this wonderful government plan doesn't cover everything hence why most people on medicare have gap coverage.

so now i have to spend another 300+ dollars a month (I have a family so it would have to cover them to so probably about an extra 1k a month)
to get a supplemental plan.

where am i saving money again?

*sigh* you people need to use your head and put some logic behind this thing.
that also doesn't account for the doctors that i have now that i would lose that wouldn't take this government healthcare.

No, you will not pay for double the price and double the cost because you will buy from the private only such things that are not covered by the public sector. You are not going to simply buy the same insurance product twice. That would be stupid! This is why the private insurance AS WE KNOW IT will be eliminated. It will be substituted by a private industry which will offer a much narrower list of services aiming at mostly those who are well off an d can afford to spend extra money for additional benefits.

 

[poweRob]

Her argument (assertion?) is that monopolies are bad unless they are run entirely by government elites (central planners?) who are allegedly accountable to the people. That, of course, is what yields things like Greece, Puerto Rico or Venezuela.

Or yields things like Denmark, England, France, Germany.

 

[ludin]

No, you will not pay for double the price and double the cost because you will buy from the private only such things that are not covered by the public sector. You are not going to simply buy the same insurance product twice. That would be stupid! This is why the private insurance AS WE KNOW IT will be eliminated. It will be substituted by a private industry which will offer a much narrower list of services aiming at mostly those who are well off an d can afford to spend extra money for additional benefits.

do you not realize that the average supplemental medicare plan costs 300-400 bucks a month?
that is for people that have medicare.

Please stop you have just proven you have no clue what you are talking about. you need to go educate yourself and get rid of this pie in the sky everything is free
and it isn't going to cost you a dime and every doctor is going to accept it and gumdrops and lollipops are going to fall from the sky.

 

[Deuce]

Eliminate private health care to piss off the centrists, be an authoritarian asshat to piss off the liberals. Who the **** does she think is gonna vote for her?

 

[Deuce]

Which are liberal utopias. Incentive is something the left doesn't grasp and that so called help from the govt. has created most of the 21 trillion dollar debt we have today. Imagine what would happen if the private sector with no incentive to provide private healthcare insurance would adopt her Medicare for all plan and what would happen to an already inefficient and cash poor healthcare system? Just what we need more dollars for the federal bureaucrats to have and waste

Imagine what would happen? Billions of dollars stop going to profit margins and instead go towards treating people. An end to people being denied healthcare because they don't have enough money.

 

[Conservative]

Not all people have great insurance, because in the US private healthcare has not been able to offer affordable coverage for a big part of the population.

So you learned growing up that someone else would be paying for your personal responsibility issues?

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[Conservative]

Imagine what would happen? Billions of dollars stop going to profit margins and instead go towards treating people. An end to people being denied healthcare because they don't have enough money.

Imagine a world where there are no employees, opportunities for advancement. A true liberal utopia

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[Deuce]

Imagine a world where there are no employees, opportunities for advancement. A true liberal utopia

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Look at this guy who thinks doctors in Sweden don't get ****ing paid.

 

[marke]

[NOTE - Article headline too long for forum format - truncation identical to the one done on the FOX News main page so don't blame me if the thread title is misleading]
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From FOX News

Kamala Harris under fire after calling for abolition of private health care plans: ‘That’s not American’
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Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., came under fire on Tuesday for calling for private health care plans to be abolished -- the latest plank is what is becoming an increasingly left-wing platform from the California Democrat.

Harris, who announced her 2020 bid for the White House last week, was asked by CNN host Jake Tapper Monday night if people could keep their current health care plan under her “Medicare-for-All” plan. She indicated that people could not, suggesting she wants to move toward a single-payer system rather than a mere expansion of Medicare.

KAMALA HARRIS VOWS TO GET RIS OF PRIVATE HEALTH CARE PLANS: 'LET'S ELIMINATE ALL OF THAT. LET'S MOVE ON'

"Well, listen, the idea is that everyone gets access to medical care. And you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company, having them give you approval, going through the paperwork, all of the delay that may require," Harris told Tapper.

"Who among us has not had that situation?" she continued. "Where you got to wait for approval, and the doctor says, 'Well I don't know if your insurance company is going to cover this.' Let's eliminate all of that. Let's move on."

COMMENT:-

The odds on Mr. Trump's supporters making any distinction between "a call to eliminate private (for profit) health care insurance plans" and "a call to eliminate private health care" are slim to non-existent.

Of course, I'd never suggest that FOX News was deliberately fostering a belief that the Democrats wanted to eliminate ALL private health care in the United States of America and turn America into a socialist dictatorship where every aspect of daily life would be regulated and you could be "declared redundant" by some "state death panel" at any moment (especially if you were deemed to be "opposed to the state") - but others will.
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Harris is appealing to those who want the government to provide more free stuff to those who seek those benefits and are willing to vote for anyone promising to give them those free benefits at whatever heavy cost to the rest of the country.

 

[ClaraD]

My wife of 40years did die from cancer and we had great insurance so what is your point

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that someone should not be denied health insurance based on family history or previous conditions. Your wife HAD insurance, what about folks like me with pre existing conditions we have no control over?

 

[Conservative]

that someone should not be denied health insurance based on family history or previous conditions. Your wife HAD insurance, what about folks like me with pre existing conditions we have no control over?

Life is about making choices, why did you wait to buy insurance? Did you learn growing up that it was someone else's responsibility to pay for your Healthcare?

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[Deuce]

Life is about making choices, why did you wait to buy insurance? Did you learn growing up that it was someone else's responsibility to pay for your Healthcare?

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Yeah, I mean **** everyone who got sick as a kid. They shoulda chose not to get sick.

 

[pamak]

So you learned growing up that someone else would be paying for your personal responsibility issues?

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Who said that someone else should be paying for me?
I have learned to be a smart consumer and choose products that benefit me at a lower cost.
Apparently, you have not.
It has been demonstrated all over the world that the social healthcare is effective and much cheaper than the insurance system we have now.So why should not we adopt it?