Justice Dept. Creating Unit Focused on Domestic Terrorism

[Port & Starboard]

WTF are you ranting about? You fascists bitched and moaned about others rioting until you LOST a fair election. Then violence became an act of normal, republican "speech".

I guess that makes the fascists (your team) hypocrites AND traitors. How sad and ironic. I laugh at your selective outrage. There are none more blind than the willfully blind.

BTW, I'm not a liberal by today's standard, so your invective is wasted on me. Why don't you shout your insults up Trump's ass and fume over the echo.

I didn't vote for Trump. Sorry.

Keep throwing more inane crap. You might find something that sticks eventually.

 

[Peacenik]

I'm aware of what the teachers union claimed. I have yet to see credible evidence of said death threats. I was hoping you could shed some light on it.

If I had more information I would post it. I don't think it comes as any surprise that things got pretty heated at school board meetings. COVID fatigue is rampant. People are on edge. CRT was like gasoline on the fire of the vaccine and mask issues. Some people went too far. People serving on school boards suddenly felt very threatened. It is right that the government is stepping up oversight of these crimes. Nobody serving on a school board should feel threatened.

And those are not the only instances of domestic terrorism. Anti-government and white supremacy militias have become emboldened by Trump's encouragement. And they falsely believe the election was stolen. It wasn't. They think they have some mission to 'save America.' America would be just fine if they would back off and try to live a peaceful life like others.

There are a lot of mental people who have become radicalized through the internet and encouraged by right wing propaganda to be very angry at the government, minorities, immigrants, gays, trans people, and Democrats. I feel sorry for them. Their dream is impossible. They are never going to rid the nation of everyone they don't like! And that is not what America is all about. We are a diverse nation with many different cultures and races. That is not hurting America. That is our strength!

These messed up people have it all wrong.

Diversity is not a weakness. Diversity is one of our strengths!

 

[uptower]

If that turns out to be true, then, I will be happy to see it happen.

However, I worry this is, instead, going to become a domestic club to wield against political opponents.

I think you'll find that insurrectionists, pipe bombers, white supremacists, fascists and those who want to overturn democracy at gunpoint to create a white ethno-state tend also to be political opponents. Funny how that works.

 

[Chomsky]

It's good to 'chew the fat' on these topics with someone approachable and who reads what you post, such as yourself.
Thanks for being here.

Well thanks, eohrnberger! Greatly appreciated it. And, ditto!

I very much see you as a voice of reason, and I'm sure I enjoy these discussions more than you do!

 

[Cope]

If I had more information I would post it. I don't think it comes as any surprise that things got pretty heated at school board meetings. COVID fatigue is rampant. People are on edge. CRT was like gasoline on the fire of the vaccine and mask issues. Some people went too far. People serving on school boards suddenly felt very threatened. It is right that the government is stepping up oversight of these crimes. Nobody serving on a school board should feel threatened.

And those are not the only instances of domestic terrorism. Anti-government and white supremacy militias have become emboldened by Trump's encouragement. And they falsely believe the election was stolen. It wasn't. They think they have some mission to 'save America.' America would be just fine if they would back off and try to live a peaceful life like others.

There are a lot of mental people who have become radicalized through the internet and encouraged by right wing propaganda to be very angry at the government, minorities, immigrants, gays, trans people, and Democrats. I feel sorry for them. Their dream is impossible. They are never going to rid the nation of everyone they don't like! And that is not what America is all about. We are a diverse nation with many different cultures and races. That is not hurting America. That is our strength!

These messed up people have it all wrong.

Diversity is not a weakness. Diversity is one of our strengths!

Look man, I agree with you that things got heated. But that isn't and wasn't the claim. The teachers union specifically and purposefully reached out to the Democratic supporters of the teachers union and boy did they ever respond. By calling concerned parents domestic terrorists.

Do you not see the inherent problem in that scenario?

If parents do not want their children taught or taught by CRT beliefs then they have every right to speak up. Personally, I am all for looking in to ways to keep public schools afloat, but currently only the affluent districts funded separately by monies from the richer districts are offering a good public school experience. And it likely isn't just the money that is driving that experience. The powers of the school system really need to look into why the public school system needs to keep reverting to allowing kids to pass upwards without knowledge of the curriculum that would get them passed on.

To me, this is the single biggest failure of the government to date, our failed and failing public school system, and no one has any answers.

 

[danielpalos]

The social dilemma of establishment induced unequal protection of the laws causing simple poverty is already before the Court in California. Unequal protection of the laws can be considered a mitigating or exculpatory circumstance regarding domestic intranquility in our several States.

Only right-wingers proclaim Government can do nothing Right.

 

[Peacenik]

Look man, I agree with you that things got heated. But that isn't and wasn't the claim. The teachers union specifically and purposefully reached out to the Democratic supporters of the teachers union and boy did they ever respond. By calling concerned parents domestic terrorists.

That sounds like the Tucker Carlson repackaging job version of it. I have no knowledge of peaceful concerned parents being called domestic terrorists. If you would like to offer an actual quote...

Do you not see the inherent problem in that scenario?

If parents do not want their children taught or taught by CRT beliefs then they have every right to speak up. Personally, I am all for looking in to ways to keep public schools afloat, but currently only the affluent districts funded separately by monies from the richer districts are offering a good public school experience. And it likely isn't just the money that is driving that experience. The powers of the school system really need to look into why the public school system needs to keep reverting to allowing kids to pass upwards without knowledge of the curriculum that would get them passed on.

To me, this is the single biggest failure of the government to date, our failed and failing public school system, and no one has any answers.

The failure of education is by plan. Centuries ago, the European rich and powerful controlled the masses easily because the masses were illiterate and didn't know any better. Europe now has effective education systems. The rich and powerful have less control. They are still rich and powerful, just not obscenely so.

In the USA, the powers to be are responsible for our selective education system. A great education for the well-to-do, sub par for the rest. Poorly educated people are easier to dupe with propaganda. Trump said he loves the poorly educated. The reason? They make good dupes.

Republicans don't want a better education system. They control most of the States. If Republicans wanted a better education system, we would have it. And guess what we have. A lot of poorly educated people, and a lot of Republican dupes. Trump threw gasoline on the fire of our bitter polarization. Now we have idiots with guns attacking the government.

Darn right we need to step up anti-terrorism efforts. Republican extremism did this to us.

 

[Cope]

That sounds like the Tucker Carlson repackaging job version of it. I have no knowledge of peaceful concerned parents being called domestic terrorists. If you would like to offer an actual quote...



The failure of education is by plan. Centuries ago, the European rich and powerful controlled the masses easily because the masses were illiterate and didn't know any better. Europe now has effective education systems. The rich and powerful have less control. They are still rich and powerful, just not obscenely so.

In the USA, the powers to be are responsible for our selective education system. A great education for the well-to-do, sub par for the rest. Poorly educated people are easier to dupe with propaganda. Trump said he loves the poorly educated. The reason? They make good dupes.

Republicans don't want a better education system. They control most of the States. If Republicans wanted a better education system, we would have it. And guess what we have. A lot of poorly educated people, and a lot of Republican dupes. Trump threw gasoline on the fire of our bitter polarization. Now we have idiots with guns attacking the government.

Darn right we need to step up anti-terrorism efforts. Republican extremism did this to us.

I see a whole lot of selective bias against Republicans and no blame at all on the Democrats in that post.

THAT is a problem since the Dept of Education isn't a state run institution.

 

[danielpalos]

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The Justice Department is welcome to enforce that Constitutional law in our at-will employment States in our federal Union.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

At-will employment is generally described as follows: "any hiring is presumed to be 'at will'; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals 'for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all,' and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work."

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

 

[Cope]

The Justice Department is welcome to enforce that Constitutional law in our at-will employment States in our federal Union.

You post all of those a lot, and we have had discussion after discussion to no avail.

At will does not mean paid to sit home and perform no function or worth to the 'people'

 

[braindrain]

When? Like, last century?

Don’t really keep up on current events do you.

 

[danielpalos]

You post all of those a lot, and we have had discussion after discussion to no avail.

At will does not mean paid to sit home and perform no function or worth to the 'people'

I demur. Your currently unsubstantiated opinion means even less.

This is federal doctrine: At-will employment is generally described as follows: "any hiring is presumed to be 'at will'; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals 'for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all,' and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work."

Why do you insist on being Illegal to the Law? Only illegals do that.

 

[Cope]

I demur. Your currently unsubstantiated opinion means even less.

This is federal doctrine: At-will employment is generally described as follows: "any hiring is presumed to be 'at will'; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals 'for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all,' and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work."

Why do you insist on being Illegal to the Law? Only illegals do that.

Where does it state they are obliged to get paid?

 

[danielpalos]

Where does it state they are obliged to get paid?

Anywhere it says we are entitled to equal protection of the laws, and because; All laws of a general nature shall have uniform operation.

 

[Peacenik]

I see a whole lot of selective bias against Republicans and no blame at all on the Democrats in that post.

THAT is a problem since the Dept of Education isn't a state run institution.

Correct-a-mundo. There was no criticism of Democrats in that one post. Democrats have plenty of issues, but I am not going to go after them because Democrats are our only hope, our best way forward. Sure, there are plenty of power-hungry Democrats, and Biden is way too cozy with big banking. But the threat to our nation from Republicans far exceeds any beefs I have with Democrats.

One could say, OK, then support third party. Nope. Won't work. Things are too scattered. There are too many 'third parties.' No single third party has enough support to displace Republicans. Republicans are our biggest problem. Republicans are the biggest threat to the United States. Democrats are the only party with enough power to counter the Republican threat. So I support the Democratic Party.

My number one issue is Climate Change. That is the biggest all time threat to humanity. Republicans want to bury heads in sand. Republicans have got to be pushed out of power. Give Republicans enough rope and they will destroy the USA and the world. All this violence is inevitable. Republicans are so hooked on propaganda, have made hating a way of life, that they have become dangerous to peaceful Americans and our very government.

Republicans have become violent, so creating a new domestic terrorism unit is what needed to be done.

 

[danielpalos]

Correct-a-mundo. There was no criticism of Democrats in that one post. Democrats have plenty of issues, but I am not going to go after them because Democrats are our only hope, our best way forward. Sure, there are plenty of power-hungry Democrats, and Biden is way too cozy with big banking. But the threat to our nation from Republicans far exceeds any beefs I have with Democrats.

One could say, OK, then support third party. Nope. Won't work. Things are too scattered. There are too many 'third parties.' No single third party has enough support to displace Republicans. Republicans are our biggest problem. Republicans are the biggest threat to the United States. Democrats are the only party with enough power to counter the Republican threat. So I support the Democratic Party.

My number one issue is Climate Change. That is the biggest all time threat to humanity. Republicans want to bury heads in sand. Republicans have got to be pushed out of power. Give Republicans enough rope and they will destroy the USA and the world. All this violence is inevitable. Republicans are so hooked on propaganda, have made hating a way of life, that they have become dangerous to peaceful Americans and our very government.

Republicans have become violent, so creating a new domestic terrorism unit is what needed to be done.

We should blame our legislators for their failure to Govern according to law.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

 

[Peacenik]

Don’t really keep up on current events do you.

A baiting post with no positive contribution to the discussion.

 

[Cope]

Anywhere it says we are entitled to equal protection of the laws, and because; All laws of a general nature shall have uniform operation.

Your belief would be wrong but I do encourage you to post your believed proof, to date, you haven't.

 

[danielpalos]

We need to lower the Cost of Government to lower our Tax burden.

 

[danielpalos]

Your belief would be wrong but I do encourage you to post your believed proof, to date, you haven't.

You insist on appealing to ignorance of the law and right-wing fantasy. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law. Ask any lawyer.

 

[Cope]

Correct-a-mundo. There was no criticism of Democrats in that one post. Democrats have plenty of issues, but I am not going to go after them because Democrats are our only hope, our best way forward. Sure, there are plenty of power-hungry Democrats, and Biden is way too cozy with big banking. But the threat to our nation from Republicans far exceeds any beefs I have with Democrats.

One could say, OK, then support third party. Nope. Won't work. Things are too scattered. There are too many 'third parties.' No single third party has enough support to displace Republicans. Republicans are our biggest problem. Republicans are the biggest threat to the United States. Democrats are the only party with enough power to counter the Republican threat. So I support the Democratic Party.

My number one issue is Climate Change. That is the biggest all time threat to humanity. Republicans want to bury heads in sand. Republicans have got to be pushed out of power. Give Republicans enough rope and they will destroy the USA and the world. All this violence is inevitable. Republicans are so hooked on propaganda, have made hating a way of life, that they have become dangerous to peaceful Americans and our very government.

Republicans have become violent, so creating a new domestic terrorism unit is what needed to be done.

If you (I and lots of others like me) the moderates and independents wanted to, we could wrest control from either of the parties and govern from the middle. Why don't we?

You have still yet to post the backing of why the domestic terrorist label (by the teachers union) got used, as it pertains to parents of kids that didn't want CRT taught to their children. And THEN, you can ponder why the DOJ and the FBI ever got involved in such.

But first the proof!

 

[Cope]

You insist on appealing to ignorance of the law and right-wing fantasy. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law. Ask any lawyer.

I'm asking you to prove your very ignorant but passionate belief that the people who are so inclined should be paid to stay home and do nothing, simply because they live in an at will state. Proof please.

I'll wait but I won't be holding my breath, ya dig?

 

[danielpalos]

The Justice Department should create a unit to focus on why right-wingers get away with providing for the unenumerated general warfare and common offense instead of providing for the general welfare and common defense?

Equal protection of the laws in not being traded by the Poor for a warfare State for the Rich.

 

[danielpalos]

I'm asking you to prove your very ignorant but passionate belief that the people who are so inclined should be paid to stay home and do nothing, simply because they live in an at will state. Proof please.

I'll wait but I won't be holding my breath, ya dig?

This is federal doctrine at law in our Republic: At-will employment is generally described as follows: "any hiring is presumed to be 'at will'; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals 'for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all,' and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work."

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

[Peacenik]

We should blame our legislators for their failure to Govern according to law.

We do blame them. It does no good. Even if they were all replaced, the replacements would be just as bad. It's the system. We have legalized corruption. That is what needs to be changed. Congress won't vote to end the legalized corruption. It can't be fixed in any easy way. There is a way, but it is difficult. Difficult, but not impossible. It involves a forgotten concept called delayed gratification. We work towards something that we can't immediately see results from. But if we keep at it and get enough other people involved the goal can be achieved. It might take decades. Probably will. It took decades for women to get the right to vote, but it worked. This can work the same way. We can rid our Congress of legalized corruption.

Here's how. Pass this. First, locally, then at the state level, and finally send anti-corruption candidates to Congress until there are enough to pass this at the national level: The American Anti-Corruption Act

Any city or town can pass this. It's not partisan. The media won't push it. Big money and powerful corporations don't want this. It has to be grass roots. This is power to the people. Make it happen in your town. Make it a thing. Force it to be an issue. No matter how long it takes. Even if it doesn't happen in our lifetimes, it will be worth it. After all, what candidate wants to take a stand favoring corruption? Make candidates take a stand against corruption. Get reporters to ask candidates if they are in favor of corruption.