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Judge sets George Zimmerman's bail at $1M

100k? Maybe next time he and his wife will be more careful to ensure their actions to not suggest or imply planned coercion of the judiciary system. Whether they intentionally misled the judge during the original bond hearing or not, their actions sure as hell supported the claim that they did.
 
tessaesque said:
100k? Maybe next time he and his wife will be more careful to ensure their actions to not suggest or imply planned coercion of the judiciary system. Whether they intentionally misled the judge during the original bond hearing or not, their actions sure as hell supported the claim that they did.
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I think that a phrase O'Mara used was that GZ "allowed the court to be misled." How's that for weasel words? Almost as good a pro from DC.
 
ric27 said:
What did you expect? Whatever amount is needed, it will be provided...rest assured

If it takes 2, 3 or 4 million dollars for Zim's legal defense, living expenses, etc, etc... so be it
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would have thought he could market this first person story to a publisher/film maker for enough money to cover his bail
 
ric27 said:
What did you expect? Whatever amount is needed, it will be provided...rest assured
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ric27 said:
If it takes 2, 3 or 4 million dollars for Zim's legal defense, living expenses, etc, etc... so be it
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Don't the donors know that someones the interwebz says that GZ is going to defraud them by spending that money on bond?
 
justabubba said:
would have thought he could market this first person story to a publisher/film maker for enough money to cover his bail
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I'm pretty sure something *of that nature* is in the works and after, Judge Lester's excessive bail bull****, Zim's lawyers will clamp down (NO LEAKS) on any publisher/film dealings
 
ric27 said:
I'm pretty sure something *of that nature* is in the works and after, Judge Lester's excessive bail bull****, Zim's lawyers will clamp down (NO LEAKS) on any publisher/film dealings
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A felon cannot profit from a book deal or screenplay.
 
Simon W. Moon said:

Don't the donors know that someones the interwebz says that GZ is going to defraud them by spending that money on bond?
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Donors are well aware, its for a righteous cause.

Zimmerman is being railroaded
 
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That the defense isn't demanding the judge recuse himself shows there is no real defense team at all.

The judge made waves of condemnations of Zimmerman, but even more...

He chastised Zimmerman for not stopping his wife from lying. What an absurdity. 100% of people know a Defendant with a lawyer can NOT jump up and say "She's LYING!" about anyone. In fact, the judge can have that defendant removed from the court and held in contempt. People cheer denial of even such right to talk to your attorney privately.

Mostly, the judge declared that Zimmerman "lied to lawyer." How does the judge know that? The conversations between Zimmerman and his lawyer are entirely privileged as secret. It is GROSS misconduct of a judge to speculate into discussions between a defendant and his attorney, let alone declare such GROSSLY improper speculations as FACTS upon which the Judge announced his decision.

The Defense, if real, would immediately file for the judge to remove himself as bias, and if the judge did not, file a personal lawsuit against the judge seeking an order that the judge not divulge any more privileged communications between Zimmerman and his lawyer. The Defense also would send the judge written interrogatories, asking HOW the judge learn of secret communications between Zimmerman and his lawyer. Is the FBI wiretapping the lawyer's phone and telling the judge? Recorded Zimmerman's secret communications with his lawyer in jail and tell the judge?

ONCE THE JUDGE DECLARED HE KNEW OF PRIVILEGED, SECRET COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN ZIMMERMAN AND HIS ATTORNEY - and then specifically used that grotesquely improper and inadmissible "evidence" declaring it one reason for his decision, that the defense did not instantly object and call for the judge to remove himself shows there is no defense - and since the judge gave the proscutor 100% of what she wanted after the judge spend days secretly communicating with people (the defense not invited) before doing so means the defense should do all in its power to remove the judge.

The Defense should file a formal motion that the Judge provide the Defense with a transcript of every conversation between Zimmerman and his lawyer the judge has, and demand the judge divulge who told him what Zimmerman and his lawyer discussed.

Since the judge declared there is no privacy privilege between Zimmerman and his attorney, Zimmerman no longer has an attorney he can consult with except doing so publicly for all to know - since the judge will and has already done so himself.

And we will continue to hear Zimmerman hatred cheer such grotesquely corrupt judicial actions. 100% of everyone knows conversations between a lawyer and his client are privileged nor to be speculated of. But they all cheer the judge declaring that Zimmerman lied to his lawyer in his secret conversations, thus openly calling Zimmerman a liar over and over - and explaining that is one reason - Zimmerman's secret communications with his lawyer - why the judge gave the prosecutor 100% of what she wanted.

Zimmerman haters cheer denial of due process and even denial of the right to private communications with your own lawyer. In fact and instead, the judge declared that the contents of such privileged communications are the basis for his decisions.
 
sharon said:
A felon cannot profit from a book deal or screenplay.
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Since the judge declares he has personal knowledge of the privileged communications between Zimmerman and his lawyer, what secrecy? If the lawyer's phone is tapped and conversations with his lawyer made public AND MADE PUBLIC BY THE JUDGE! there is no privacy of anything, is there?
 
joko104 said:
Since the judge declares he has personal knowledge of the privileged communications between Zimmerman and his lawyer, what secrecy? If the lawyer's phone is tapped and conversations with his lawyer made public AND MADE PUBLIC BY THE JUDGE! there is no privacy of anything, is there?
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not in Florida, there ain't.
 
Thunder said:
no, but he WILL get "railroaded", in prison. :)
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Yes, you have made it clear you want Zimmerman repeatedly violently raped.

Do you also want his family members killed too?

I think it is completely accurate to define you from now on as "a rabid Zimmerman hater" and that your decision process is 100% controlled by blind hatred. Anyone who cheers and jeers on and on hoping someone is violently sexually assaulted is a person totally consumed by hatred.
 
joko104 said:
...I think it is completely accurate to define you from now on as "a rabid Zimmerman hater" and that your decision process is 100% controlled by blind hatred. Anyone who cheers and jeers on and on hoping someone is violently sexually assaulted is a person totally consumed by hatred.
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says the guy who baselessly accused TM of racism, having never done anything nice for anyone in his life, of attempted-robbery, of attempted-murder.

your feigned outrage is pathetic & hypocritical.
 
Thunder said:
no, but he WILL get "railroaded", in prison. :)
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Has it ever occurred to you that you can easily become a victim of an overzealous prosecution as well?
 
sharon said:
A felon cannot profit from a book deal or screenplay.
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what felon are you referring to? zimmerman is not a convicted felon. he cannot be deprived of the opportunity to sell his story
 
joko104 said:
^ That is naive and nothing.

The reason is two former Democratic candidates for President, the Democratic media and the Democratic President all declared this a racial issue and racial murder, with incessant coverage by the Democratic media.
The reason is because recent polls have shown lackluster support for Obama and Democrats in the African-American community. African-American turn-out is critical to Obama and the Democrats in swing states such as Florida. So this case was a diversion from political issues to instead rabid and intense race-baiting.

The only reason this case even exists is entirely political.
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You liked this post, VanceMack?

LOL!
 
joko104 said:
Since the judge declares he has personal knowledge of the privileged communications between Zimmerman and his lawyer, what secrecy? If the lawyer's phone is tapped and conversations with his lawyer made public AND MADE PUBLIC BY THE JUDGE! there is no privacy of anything, is there?
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OMara has been practicing law too long and has a good reputation.. He would not have allowed his client to decieve the court unless he had also been decieved by George and Shellie.

The rest is babbling.. wiretaps and BS.
 
longview said:
At what point does the bond amount become punitive.
Zimmerman was not a flight risk at $150K bond, but because he has defense fund
the Judge see fit to soak it up with bond fees.
Does the Judge want to force him to use a public defender?
How is this helping the Justice system reach the truth, (Which is what the Judge should be concerned with)?
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How was it helping the justice system when GZ conspired with his wife and family to hide the money? He's lucky he got a second bond and I bet one unspoken reason is the judge does not want to give GZ any room for appeal nor be publicly charged with being biased against him.

At some point GZ and his supporters need to understand responsibility for one's actions.
 
Furiounova said:
At some point GZ and his supporters need to understand responsibility for one's actions.
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and that is up to a jury to determine if GZ actions were justified or not.
The same could be true for TM supporters, a jury will look at the facts, determine if TM acted responsibly or not, and was GZ actions responsible for not?
 
mike2810 said:
and that is up to a jury to determine if GZ actions were justified or not.
The same could be true for TM supporters, a jury will look at the facts, determine if TM acted responsibly or not, and was GZ actions responsible for not?
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There is a reason the judge said the evidence against Z is strong and that is not to be taken lightly on a 2nd degree murder charge.

The doctor's report proves no head trauma, he has never given two consistent statements, is a proven deceiver to the court for the specific goal of staying out of jail, there is evidence of racial profiling, and one of the most important facts regarding physical evidence is TM had no blood/DNA from GZ on his hands or sleeves.

The defense has to sell the claim TM suddenly became the aggressor after running away from GZ and there is no logical argument available to close the deal. Being unable to convince a jury TM became the aggressor leads one to see between the two, TM was the only one legally qualified for SYG law. Even if TM swung first he had the right to do so from GZ following him after he ran away and getting within arm's reach of TM. That doesn't mean GZ had no legal right to defend himself but it does mean he had a legal obligation to try and escape the situation before using deadly force. The physical evidence strongly suggests the gun was GZ's first choice of action and there is nothing justifying deadly force.

GZ inadvertently admitted the shooting was not justified by saying he didn't know if TM was armed or not. If he was being beaten and truly in fear due to that reason, it wouldn't have mattered if TM was armed or not. It seems GZ fired from the combination of mistaking the heavy can in TM's front pocket for a weapon and being angry.
 
Furiounova said:
There is a reason the judge said the evidence against Z is strong and that is not to be taken lightly on a 2nd degree murder charge.

The doctor's report proves no head trauma, he has never given two consistent statements, is a proven deceiver to the court for the specific goal of staying out of jail, there is evidence of racial profiling, and one of the most important facts regarding physical evidence is TM had no blood/DNA from GZ on his hands or sleeves.

The defense has to sell the claim TM suddenly became the aggressor after running away from GZ and there is no logical argument available to close the deal. Being unable to convince a jury TM became the aggressor leads one to see between the two, TM was the only one legally qualified for SYG law. Even if TM swung first he had the right to do so from GZ following him after he ran away and getting within arm's reach of TM. That doesn't mean GZ had no legal right to defend himself but it does mean he had a legal obligation to try and escape the situation before using deadly force. The physical evidence strongly suggests the gun was GZ's first choice of action and there is nothing justifying deadly force.

GZ inadvertently admitted the shooting was not justified by saying he didn't know if TM was armed or not. If he was being beaten and truly in fear due to that reason, it wouldn't have mattered if TM was armed or not. It seems GZ fired from the combination of mistaking the heavy can in TM's front pocket for a weapon and being angry.
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When George claims that Trayvon ran away, doubled back and basically ambushed him.

How did Trayvon know that George got out of his car?? TM ran away before GZ got out of the car.
 
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