Judge says she has ‘preliminary intent’ to appoint special master to oversee Mar-a-Lago search review

[Callen]

The FBI said they went beyond the storage area and seized other documents.

I cited the actual warrant wording in post 255........yet here you go again! This is what the warrant says. If you continue to repeat that they had no right to go beyond the storage room you will be lying.

"The locations to be searched include the “45 Office,” all storage rooms, and all other rooms or areas within the premises used or available to be used by FPOTUS and his staff and in which boxes or documents could be stored, including all structures or buildings on the estate"

 

[dcsports]

What did they seize that is not covered by the search warrant?

lol. Again - passports for starters. And likely privileged communication including attorney-client communication.

 

[RealityNow]

I agree.

I dont like Trump, but that raid was fishy since the DOJ refuses to allow the public to see the full, uncensored warrant. We need to know the truth if there was politics behind this.

You don't have authorized clearance and certainly no security clearance to see anymore than the official clear for public viewing.

It appears by your comment, that you again, over-rate yourself and over-rate your importance.

You'd do better to get yourself another glass of Buttermilk or Ensure and sit down and keep quiet.

 

[BlueTex]

lol. Again - passports for starters. And likely privileged communication including attorney-client communication.

Who is the owner of a passport?

 

[Chomsky]

...not a chance. I have ethics!!!

Haha!

There once was a small town without a lawyer, where a lawyer moved-in and opened shop; business sucked!

Sometime after, another lawyer moved-and and opened shop; business was great!

! ! !

 

[post]

These people live in an alternative universe with Kellyanne Conway.

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[Stealers Wheel]

You Trumpsters just won't quit! There's nothing this man will ever do to make you not defend him!

He said so back in 2015. He said "My fans are so stupid that they will never hold me accountable for anything."

 

[WorldWatcher]

That's not even the issue here. The problem is that the FBI obviously went beyond the scope of the warrant - they seized the Trump's passports!

The documents were in scope. The search warrant specifically said to collect documents co-located with classifeid

That's not even the issue here. The problem is that the FBI obviously went beyond the scope of the warrant - they seized the Trump's passports! They obviously went beyond the boxes in the designated storage area, and into other parts of the property. There's no doubt other personal documents, and probably privileged documents, that weren't under the warrant. The purpose of the 'special master' is to filter out what was supposed to be seized from items not covered by the warrant.

This protects the prosecution too. If they get evidence from documents not covered by the warrant, they risk having it thrown out.

That's not even the issue here. The problem is that the FBI obviously went beyond the scope of the warrant - they seized the Trump's passports! They obviously went beyond the boxes in the designated storage area, and into other parts of the property. There's no doubt other personal documents, and probably privileged documents, that weren't under the warrant. The purpose of the 'special master' is to filter out what was supposed to be seized from items not covered by the warrant.

This protects the prosecution too. If they get evidence from documents not covered by the warrant, they risk having it thrown out.

??

This theory is built upon an erroneous proposition:

FPOTUS is not the Plaintiff. This suit was brought by CNN et al.



Hardly.

Unless one believer's CNN is aiding & abetting Trump.

This thread is about the motion filled with Judge Cannon for appointment of a Special Master, not the media suit to get the affidavit released.

WW

 

[Paradoxical]

Because they, like the other documents (apart from whatever Trump's personal effects might be included in the items taken), are US government property. Don't worry, he'll get them back.

They sent them back only after the public raised a stink. Even the KGB knows when they are caught.

 

[TheGoverness]

He said so back in 2015. He said "My fans are so stupid that they will never hold me accountable for anything."

So weird how it's basically a giant cult now. Trump holds their ability to self-reflect hostage.

 

[dcsports]

No they didn't.

"The FBI said in a statement that when executing search warrants, the bureau "follows search and seizure procedures ordered by courts, then returns items that we do not need to be retained for law enforcement purposes."

CBS

lol. OK, they didn't come out and say 'we screwed up'. They obviously did, and worked quickly to return them.

 

[Paradoxical]

They probably were NOT included in the warrant, which is why the FBI returned them when they realized they had them.

That's right. They just gathered up whatever they wanted to.

Going through Melania's private clothing too. Really?

Wanting the cameras turned off so they would not be caught? At least the attorneys knew the law. Otherwise, they do that with someone not named trump. They are a bad, bad agency now. 14 whistleblowers can't be wrong. Wait until 11-9

 

[dcsports]

Who is the owner of a passport?

Were they in the warrant?

 

[BlueTex]

That's right. They just gathered up whatever they wanted to.

Going through Melania's private clothing too. Really?

Wanting the cameras turned off so they would not be caught? At least the attorneys knew the law. Otherwise, they do that with someone not named trump. They are a bad, bad agency now. 14 whistleblowers can't be wrong. Wait until 11-9

What is it with you and Melania's clothing? Sorry to break the news, but its never gonna happen...

 

[Captain Adverse]

If you project that the appointment of a Special Master will clear the air on both sides, I can also project that this is not going to happen.

I did not project that at all. I stated the following:

Re: Special Master in post# 2.

"Something that I not only hope for, but also may serve to clear the air on both sides of the issue."

YOU were the one doing the "projecting" of my expectations.

This is not about you personally.

Accepted.

You may want the real facts but Trump's press and base are not interested in real facts.

Now THAT is a projection of your own views and assumption bias, and not at all a "fact."

So, they will pollute the air with alternative facts, conspiracy theories and character assassination attempts.

You mean they might actually use the same tactics of the MSM, Social Media, the Biden Administration, former and current members of the government, Democrats in Congress, and those common citizens (allegedly) suffering from TDS?

On this change I made of your phrase, I can agree since that's what most of those (and others) have been doing since 2015.

 

[Callen]

lol. Again - passports for starters. And likely privileged communication including attorney-client communication.

If they were stored with documents containing markings then they were legally seized as per the warrant. If they are not germane to the crimes being investigated they will be returned.

From the warrant......

"Any physical documents with classification markings, along with any containers/boxes (including any other contents) in which such documents are located, as well as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together with the aforementioned documents and containers/boxes;"

"Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January 20.2017, and January 20, 2021;

 

[Chomsky]

You seem to have a lot of faith in the FBI and the DOJ. Personally, I have close to zero.

No disrespect intended here, because this is not directed at you.

But the question is, "Should I choose to believe my country's law enforcement? Or. random Trump supporters on the internet?". I'm surely not going with Trump or his supporters. I have 900 reasons from 1/6 D.C. to base my decision upon.

Sorry Rawley, I'm not giving-up Constitution and the rule of law & order for Trump & his. Ditto for giving-up elections. I cherish these institutions.

 

[post]

So weird how it's basically a giant cult now. Trump holds their ability to self-reflect hostage.

I can't decide if I'm pleased the cult is supported by irresistible (involuntary) attraction, or not.
OTOH, they're attracted because they have authoritarian personalities, which they also didn't choose. But, OTOH, they're also attracted to DeSantis and to snakes like Tucker and Youngkin, draining any empathy for their "trapped" condition. It's not like they're begging for assistance to free them.

 

[Galactic Spin]

lol. OK, they didn't come out and say 'we screwed up'. They obviously did, and worked quickly to return them.

No, they didn't. You just made that up, just now. And it is false. They didn't state or imply any mistake was made. In fact, what is implied is that Trump made the mistake of mixing his personal items in with documents he illegally possessed.

 

[TheGoverness]

You seem to have a lot of faith in the FBI and the DOJ. Personally, I have close to zero.

Because Daddy Trump told you not to. He issues orders and you guys follow, lockstep.

 

[Deuce]

And likely privileged communication including attorney-client communication.

Yes, this happens routinely and there is a process in place for filtering that privileged information and returning it to the suspect. When going through hundreds or even thousands of pages of documents, it's not feasible for FBI agents to sort through every single item on the scene for this. That could take weeks, or even months, depending on how much information there is.

Do you disagree with any of the above?

 

[TheGoverness]

No, they didn't. You just made that up, just now. And it is false. They didn't state or imply any mistake was made. In fact, what is implied is that Trump made the mistake of mixing his personal items in with documents he illegally possessed.

Of course they made it up. That's the only way they can argue against it; deny reality. Just like they've continued to do with the 2020 election.

 

[Callen]

Were they in the warrant?

Are they government documents? Then yes!

 

[Chomsky]

And that's not what I said either. The documents in the room were the original justification for the warrant - they searched beyond that. Anything they took beyond that that wasn't in the items listed would have exceeded the scope of the warrant.

Again - if they would have just taken the boxes in the room, that even Trump identified as being related to his presidency, there wouldn't have been as much of an issue. The question there is whether they were covered under the records act, and there's some question about that. But the search went beyond that, and scooped up documents from areas which would have contained other documents, including personal records and privileged records. That's why they need to take extra care, and the request for a special master to oversee the review comes into play.

Here are the areas subject to search, as specified in the warrant:

The locations to be searched include the "45 Office," all storage rooms, and all
other rooms or areas within the premises used or available to be used by FPOTUS and his staff
and in which boxes or documents could be stored, including all structures or buildings on the
estate.

Source:

https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/2022/08/12/govuscourtsflsd617854170_12.pdf

As you can see, there are no restriction on the areas you're specifying.

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It's interesting the arguments are shifting from Trump not having the materials violating the statutes, to procedural issues in gathering the evidence he did.

To me, that spells trouble for the defense.

 

[Deuce]

WTF do you think he's gone that we don't already know about?

After leaving office he is not obligated to tell you where he goes, lol