Judge orders Indiana DoC to give a baby killer his taxpayer-funded gender surgery

[Bodi]

This is a pathetic example of civil liberties. A baby killer to receive elective sex change surgery at tax payers expense. This is a classic example of why the death penalty applies in certain cases. I’m going to contain my urge to insult you.

@Lisa doesn't care about taxpayers or morals... she ONLY cares that gender confused people get whatever they want.

 

[Bodi]

The proper medical term is having gender dysphoria and yes it is a common trigger of suicide for transgender people.

Suicidal ideation and suicide attempts in persons with gender dysphoria - PubMed

There are higher levels of suicidal ideation and suicide attempts in people with gender dysphoria than in the general population. No differences were seen between groups in terms of gender/sex. Psychiatric morbidity was not an influential variable for suicidal behaviour. This suggests that...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So what? This man killed a baby. Supporting this ****, in any capacity, is truly horrible.

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[Bodi]

You might as well ask me if I want to run beside a trans female at a high school track meet blasting the Chariots Of Fire

Do you want to?


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[Felis Leo]

If the murdering prick wants to turn himself in a woman, he better pony up the mullah for it. And the ACLU deserves nothing but ridicule for defending this idiot.



A federal district judge in Indiana has once again ordered the state Department of Correction (IDOC) to arrange a sex reassignment surgery for a transgender inmate convicted of reckless homicide of a baby, marking the latest development in the ongoing legal saga challenging an Indiana law banning the procedure.

The case, now in its second year, involves inmate Autumn Cordellioné's request for sex reassignment surgery. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) first filed the lawsuit against the Indiana Department of Corrections in 2023 on behalf of Cordellioné, challenging an Indiana law that prohibits the Department of Corrections from using taxpayer funds to cover sex reassignment surgeries for inmates. The ACLU argues the law is a violation of the Eighth Amendment’s prohibition of "cruel and unusual punishment."

Trans inmate in prison for killing baby must get gender surgery at 'earliest opportunity': judge

An Indiana judge is mandating sex reassignment surgery for a transgender inmate, extending the ongoing legal challenge to a state law banning the procedure.

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[Begin Sarcasm]

You know, I was on my way to becoming a progressive populist who believes that the government should be geared towards establishing a social safety net and Medicare for All for all. But then, this Fox News Article made me realize that if we pass Medicare for All, it might allow trans people (including trans women like this baby killer) to get gender confirmation surgery and treatment.

To Hell with that. The only thing that can protect us from this insanity is accepting our place as serfs and supporting our far-right neo-Feudal billionaire overlords. At least if they strip us all of our civil rights and our entitlements, it will also hurt people we have been conditioned to hate! I am voting for Vance and the Republicans in 2028 down-ballot.

[End Sarcasm]

Seriously, Roadvirus, stop consuming outrage porn pumped out by people who hold you in contempt. You are smarter than this.

 

[Felis Leo]

So what? This man killed a baby. Supporting this ****, in any capacity, is truly horrible.

Well, yeah. This convict who happens to be a trans woman seems to be an utter monster. Granted. But what is the principle that is being illustrated by this example? I mean, if we are going to be outraged about her getting gender confirmation care, shouldn't heinous criminals (serials killers, child rapists, healthcare insurance CEOs) be denied ANY medical/surgical care whatsoever while they are in prison? Why should our taxpayer money go towards giving them a stitches if they get cut or a cast if they get a broken leg? What makes the gender confirmation care so outrageous? Shouldn't any form of medical care on the taxpayer's dime to see to the wellbeing of a monster be equally outrageous?

Or is gender confirmation care something that is only reserved for the "good" prisoners?

 

[Gozaburo]

Well, yeah. This convict who happens to be a trans woman seems to be an utter monster. Granted. But what is the principle that is being illustrated by this example? I mean, if we are going to be outraged about her getting gender confirmation care, shouldn't heinous criminals (serials killers, child rapists, healthcare insurance CEOs) be denied ANY medical/surgical care whatsoever while they are in prison? Why should our taxpayer money go towards giving them a stitches if they get cut or a cast if they get a broken leg? What makes the gender confirmation care so outrageous? Shouldn't any form of medical care on the taxpayer's dime to see to the wellbeing of a monster be equally outrageous?

Or is gender confirmation care something that is only reserved for the "good" prisoners?

You're always going to be on the wrong side of this issue because the vast majority of people think comparing top/bottom surgery to a broken arm is retarded.

I guess your argument does reveal the others side hypocrisy, albeit on the very extreme end and on very shaky ground. Denying equal medical care to violent criminals is actually more cruel than the death penalty.

 

[Felis Leo]

You're always going to be on the wrong side of this issue because the vast majority of people think comparing top/bottom surgery to a broken arm is retarded.

First, I do not care about being in the minority if I believe I come to the correct conclusion, even if few others share the view. Second, I am happy to draw comparisons something long-term and costly, Gozaburo. Like cancer treatment. Or a post-organ transplant medical treatment.

I guess your argument does reveal the others side hypocrisy, albeit on the very extreme end and on very shaky ground. Denying equal medical care to violent criminals is actually more cruel than the death penalty.

It is. But do not let us pretend that anyone on the political right currently cares about cruelty towards prisoners, except for that brief moment in time that they considered a few hundred rioters and insurrectionists "political prisoners."

 

[Bodi]

Well, yeah. This convict who happens to be a trans woman seems to be an utter monster. Granted. But what is the principle that is being illustrated by this example? I mean, if we are going to be outraged about her getting gender confirmation care, shouldn't heinous criminals (serials killers, child rapists, healthcare insurance CEOs) be denied ANY medical/surgical care whatsoever while they are in prison? Why should our taxpayer money go towards giving them a stitches if they get cut or a cast if they get a broken leg? What makes the gender confirmation care so outrageous? Shouldn't any form of medical care on the taxpayer's dime to see to the wellbeing of a monster be equally outrageous?

Or is gender confirmation care something that is only reserved for the "good" prisoners?

Silly. Care should be given to those that need it to live, medically. Anything that happens in prison? Stitches, appendicitis, etc, covered.

Cosmetic stuff, new teeth that just rotted or sex surgery or fixing an injury from before conviction... nope. Screw them. That money can be better spent.


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[Bodi]

First, I do not care about being in the minority if I believe I come to the correct conclusion, even if few others share the view. Second, I am happy to draw comparisons something long-term and costly, Gozaburo. Like cancer treatment. Or a post-organ transplant medical treatment.



It is. But do not let us pretend that anyone on the political right currently cares about cruelty towards prisoners, except for that brief moment in time that they considered a few hundred rioters and insurrectionists "political prisoners."

The chance that a person is a lone stalwart of moral correctness while everybody else is immoral is just ridiculously silly...


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[Gozaburo]

It is. But do not let us pretend that anyone on the political right currently cares about cruelty towards prisoners, except for that brief moment in time that they considered a few hundred rioters and insurrectionists "political prisoners."

Frankly I think most leftists would be hesitant to defend trans surgery for child murderers. It's terrible optics for an issue that's already not very popular.

First, I do not care about being in the minority if I believe I come to the correct conclusion, even if few others share the view. Second, I am happy to draw comparisons something long-term and costly, Gozaburo. Like cancer treatment. Or a post-organ transplant medical treatment.

I suppose, but you're going to have a hard time finding folks willing to compare what most people consider to be cosmetic surgery with something like cancer. Even if it turns out your 100% correct and could somehow manage to cut through the cognitive dissonance of your interlocuter, you're still picking the worst hill to die on for this issue.

I'm a strong believer in political pragmatism. Naïve idealism doesn't win the day I'm afraid.

 

[Felis Leo]

The chance that a person is a lone stalwart of moral correctness while everybody else is immoral is just ridiculously silly...,

Oh I am not alone, Bodi. Certainly in the minority, but not alone. Additionally, I do not consider the majority of my opponents on this issue immoral or wicked social degenerates. Well, unless they are on the right. If a public figure on the political right hates trans people and cannot shut up about the trans people, it is almost certainly because trans people are a sexual fixation of theirs. That is generally how it is with any form of right-wing bigotry, race, gender or sexual orientation.

 

[Gatsby]

But what is the principle that is being illustrated by this example?

"Taxpayers should not pay for cosmetic body modifications for convicted criminals with healthy bodies."

I mean, if we are going to be outraged about her getting gender confirmation care, shouldn't heinous criminals (serials killers, child rapists, healthcare insurance CEOs) be denied ANY medical/surgical care whatsoever while they are in prison? Why should our taxpayer money go towards giving them a stitches if they get cut or a cast if they get a broken leg? What makes the gender confirmation care so outrageous? Shouldn't any form of medical care on the taxpayer's dime to see to the wellbeing of a monster be equally outrageous?

The main difference between sex change surgeries, and stitches or setting a broken leg, is that those other things are actual bodily injuries. As far as we know, this man's body is perfectly healthy and uninjured.

Or is gender confirmation care something that is only reserved for the "good" prisoners?

No prisoners should get taxpayer-funded sex change surgery, from the child murderer right on down to the small-time weed dealer. Giving prisoners expensive gifts that they wouldn't otherwise have been able to afford themselves on the outside creates an incentive to commit crimes, in addition to wasting money.

 

[Gozaburo]

it is almost certainly because trans people are a sexual fixation of theirs. That is generally how it is with any form of right-wing bigotry, race, gender or sexual orientation.

This projection has always fascinated me.

Relevant:

 

[Felis Leo]

This projection has always fascinated me.

Relevant:

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Just going off the history of disgraced right-wing politicians who built their careers off of open bigotry but were later found to be closet-cases, if a right-wing politician or public figure ever regularly talks about how much they hate spiders...yes, they want to **** spiders. If they were arrested and their computer or laptop searched, they will have with nearly 100% certainty reams of drider* porn downloads on their hard drive.

*If you know, you know.

 

[Bodi]

Oh I am not alone, Bodi. Certainly in the minority, but not alone.

Do you really think that I meant that you were alone? C'mon now... that is just idiotic.

 

[Crunchtime]

Well, yeah. This convict who happens to be a trans woman seems to be an utter monster. Granted. But what is the principle that is being illustrated by this example? I mean, if we are going to be outraged about her getting gender confirmation care, shouldn't heinous criminals (serials killers, child rapists, healthcare insurance CEOs) be denied ANY medical/surgical care whatsoever while they are in prison? Why should our taxpayer money go towards giving them a stitches if they get cut or a cast if they get a broken leg? What makes the gender confirmation care so outrageous? Shouldn't any form of medical care on the taxpayer's dime to see to the wellbeing of a monster be equally outrageous?

Or is gender confirmation care something that is only reserved for the "good" prisoners?

It’s elective surgery. Not an emergency.

 

[Phys251]

They can, but in this case they don't.


You are the one insisting on language-policing everyone who just speaks normally. You are the one trying to make an ideological statement by referring to this male criminal as "her", not those of us just trying to have a discussion about this person by speaking as we ordinarily would.

3-for-10 projection. You tried, but still, appallingly dull.

 

[Phys251]

@Lisa doesn't care about taxpayers or morals... she ONLY cares that gender confused people get whatever they want.

Actually, transgender people understand gender better than most people out there. I'll let you figure out why.

 

[Gatsby]

3-for-10 projection. You tried, but still, appallingly dull.

Have a great day!

 

[Phys251]

Have a great day!

You too!

 

[Gatsby]

Actually, transgender people understand gender better than most people out there. I'll let you figure out why.

I'm sure a devout Scientologist understands body thetans and the history of Xenu a lot better than I do. But the question is whether it has any connection to reality.

 

[Bodi]

Actually, transgender people understand gender better than most people out there. I'll let you figure out why.

Because the term "gender" is in their description?


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[Roadvirus]

You really insist on misgendering her, don't you?

Saying you're a chick doesn't make you one. DNA says "This person is male".

 

[Phys251]

Saying you're a chick doesn't make you one. DNA says "This person is male".

Caster Semenya is male?

 

[Lisa]

Saying you're a chick doesn't make you one. DNA says "This person is male".

Are you denying that psychological gender identity exists and the importance of it?


You're a man because of your male gender identity. You dont suffer from gender dysphoria because of your male biological sex. The mind is the ultimate sex organ in humans.