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Judge gives go-ahead for the Trump administration to gut USAID's workforce

Did any of these tyrants violate their constitutions?

Did the Nazis violate Germany's constitution when they literally canceled all the individual rights it guaranteed all citizens?

Uh, yeah.

If you have to dismantle your constitution and/or government and replace it with something else, then yes, that means the constitutions were violated, by definition.

Are you seriously arguing that if some tyrant successfully staged a coup and dismantled the entire US government and canceled the US Constitution/all basic rights and replaced it with something entirely different, that this happened because they were FOLLOWING THE ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION THAT THEY OVERTHREW?

You can't be serious with this shit.... :ROFLMAO:
 
Let the crying begin.

WINNING!


Are the farmers crying or winning?

"US farmers sold $2 billion of food to USAID. Not any more.

- US farmers provided 41% of food delivered by USAID
- $340M of purchases/shipments are now paused. Over 680,000 tonnes.
- Food stranded in Houston
- Aid stopped in transit.

The world’s poor starving, food rotting, & US farmers screwed." link
 
No, you're not making a good-faith argument, and you're intentionally misquoting me. I cited a single example of wasteful spending. You're well-aware that that example was being cited under the general discussion topic of wasteful spending being a problem that should be investigated.
What does an investigation look like to you? Unilateral funding embargo? Or measured investigation with research and findings of fact? Are you not impressed with the lack of actual investigating going on. The many misrepresentations coming out of doge have been a bit unhinged. Seems very haphazard for an “investigation.”
To disingenuously and dishonestly act like you think I'm only talking about one specific example of wasteful spending is a silly position, and an intentionally obtuse one at that.

Are you in favor of wasteful government spending?
Quick aside. Did you notice any non-wasteful spending in the usaid budget, or is it all bad in your opinion?
 
We made a bi-partisan commitment to them. To abandon them now is a disgrace. That is what the world sees. That is what Ukraine sees

Earlier you were talking about us being hated. Well there you are.
I was mean comment about us being hated despite spending billions upon billions of dollars in USAID I attempting to bribe people into liking us.
 
The USAID embargo cut off HIV and malaria funding.
Why would a propaganda wing be funding AIDS and malaria that's foreign aid. USAID is specifically for propaganda.
HIV funding, I think, was later restored (I don't know if that's still the case), but I haven't read that funding for malaria has been reinstated.
Why would HIV funding have anything to do with this?
 
No, you're not making a good-faith argument, and you're intentionally misquoting me. I cited a single example of wasteful spending. You're well-aware that that example was being cited under the general discussion topic of wasteful spending being a problem that should be investigated.

To disingenuously and dishonestly act like you think I'm only talking about one specific example of wasteful spending is a silly position, and an intentionally obtuse one at that.

Are you in favor of wasteful government spending?

You cited an example of wasteful spending to defend Trump's actions that are getting people killed.

I am aware of wasteful spending, but Trump is simply attempting to destroy the government.
 
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I was mean comment about us being hated despite spending billions upon billions of dollars in USAID I attempting to bribe people into liking us.

And I pointed out that we aren't, and gave an example.
 
In my opinion, a key element of MAGA's excitement to gut something is because they don't understand what it funds.
Yeah, right now it seems the dominant mindset is to tear everything down because it's all bad. That kind of thinking doesn't make much sense, and it's already being demonstrated by those who cheer it on except when it impacts someone they now or who they think is undeserving. I guess it will be a "trial by error" way of sorting this out.
 
What does an investigation look like to you? Unilateral funding embargo? Or measured investigation with research and findings of fact? Are you not impressed with the lack of actual investigating going on. The many misrepresentations coming out of doge have been a bit unhinged. Seems very haphazard for an “investigation.”

Great question. I've never seen a macro-level fiscal audit that doesn't start with something like DOGE. With such large amounts of capital involved, there's no way that the initial fact-finding stage could possibly follow any specific protocol. It's a bulldozer stage, just like any large-scale demolition effort.

In picking up the pieces of the colossal mess of spending that both parties have created over decades, there will inevitably be spending items that are worthwhile and should be reimplemented once the dust settles.

Quick aside. Did you notice any non-wasteful spending in the usaid budget, or is it all bad in your opinion?

I wouldn't go as far as saying that it's "all bad," but it's pretty clear that USAID was going well beyond the scope of its mission statement to "promote and demonstrate democratic values abroad, and advance a free, peaceful, and prosperous world." Spending tens of billions of dollars on military weaponry/supplies for war is not really a promotion of peace and prosperity. It's just the newest way in which we've engaged in policing the world and warmongering rather than focusing on our own common defense.

But that's beside the point, because the central question to me isn't whether or not budgetary items are "good or bad" based on their intent. A more relevant question is whether we should be spending our taxpayer dollars on foreign issues in the first place, when many of those countries are not our allies, when we have so many unresolved issues for our own citizens.

Just because we can doesn't mean we should. First of all, there's no limiting principle whatsoever on our current approach to foreign spending. Secondly, there's absolutely no evaluation of whether or not the money we're handing out is EFFECTIVE at addressing whatever issue is being targeted. Thirdly, we almost always place no conditions whatsoever on the aid, which means that once it's out of our hands, we have no control over the use of it, and we gain very little to nothing from it most of the time. This has led to many abuses of our generosity from foreign governments, many of whom act like entitled trust fund kids in response to our efforts. And lastly, we have chosen to meddle in affairs that should be a global effort, and we do this so we can engage in militaristic and economic abuses of other countries on a global scale. We definitely should have a role, but this assumption that the USA should "take a lead" on global efforts rather than engaging in equal collaborative efforts with every other country around the world is self-defeating.

If our aim is to create a peaceful and prosperous world, then why is our top priority always about creating a global hierarchy in which we are at the very top both economically and militaristically? This strategy is completely at odds with that stated mission.

By the way, thank you for discussion-oriented post. If I'm reading it correctly, you're probably in disagreement with a lot of my views, but I appreciate that you approached possible disagreement in a friendly way.
 
Notice how quickly MAGAs want to divert away from the malaria drugs, HIV medications, etc that will not be distributed or the clinical trials that will be stopped to talk about conspiracy theories and hypotheticals.
They don't care.

They know that it takes nothing to tear it all down but it is going to take years to build it back. It is the friction against building it back that they are relying on.
 
Notice how quickly MAGAs want to divert away from the malaria drugs, HIV medications, etc that will not be distributed or the clinical trials that will be stopped to talk about conspiracy theories and hypotheticals.
Repeating the claim about HIV even after you ignored me posting an article that showed it was used as a cover to do other things like this?

Report: USAID used HIV program in Cuba to foment rebellion
 
Let the crying begin.

WINNING!

Rolling stone headline
 
They don't care.

They know that it takes nothing to tear it all down but it is going to take years to build it back. It is the friction against building it back that they are relying on.
Building it back up will cost a fortune too.
 
Congress doesn't oversee follow-through on their approved funding. It just approves or disapproves spending and doesn't look at a thing after that.

Which is why crazy waste happens, like a public high school using Covid funds to rent an MLB stadium in 2021 and multiple instance of money being allocated for a program in one country, but somehow landing in a completely different country for a completely different purpose.

Anyone whose position is that we should be turning a blind eye to this blatant corruption and recklessness is engaging in party/cultist hyperpartisan denialism. There's simply no other explanation for wanting to hide this kind of obvious problem.
Right it's not like Congress specifically funded the transgender opera in Columbia which is most likely just a cover for getting money to an intelligence asset, for a bribe, kickback, etc.
 
Right it's not like Congress specifically funded the transgender opera in Columbia which is most likely just a cover for getting money to an intelligence asset, for a bribe, kickback, etc.
Who knew that $47K would get the hackles to rise up so much.

Correction... it was $25K... That is years of outrage at bargain basement prices.
 
You cited an example of wasteful spending to defend Trump's actions that are getting people killed.

I cited an example of wasteful spending in my defense of getting rid of wasteful spending.

The rest of your statement here is complete nonsense about what I did. Just stop and try being rational instead of posting falsehoods about me.

I am aware of wasteful spending, but Trump is simply attempting to destroy the government.

So do you want anyone looking at wasteful spending or not?
 
The USAID embargo cut off HIV and malaria funding.

HIV funding, I think, was later restored (I don't know if that's still the case), but I haven't read that funding for malaria has been reinstated.
 
So we get rid of the entire thing because of something that happened 16 years ago.

Makes sense.

Sometimes you have to shitcan the entire thing and create something new if the original thing has become damaged and diseased beyond repair.

With USAID, it sounds like that's exactly what happened.
 
Sometimes you have to shitcan the entire thing and create something new if the original thing has become damaged and diseased beyond repair.

With USAID, it sounds like that's exactly what happened.
That is just insanity.

How hard is it to put into place a team of people to review funding going forward? If the funding doesn't align with the administration then affect change going forward. To tear the entire system down without a bit of warning and leave people stranded across the world with food rotting because there is no one to distribute it because of money that has already gone out the door is simply idiotic.
 
I never thought I'd see the day when so-called liberals and leftists would staunchly defend obvious instances of illegally funded clandestine CIA ops. Crazy shit.
Whose defending it?

It happened 16 years ago. It makes zero sense to tear down the entire thing because we all know that it will take years to build it back.
 
Yeah, right now it seems the dominant mindset is to tear everything down because it's all bad. That kind of thinking doesn't make much sense, and it's already being demonstrated by those who cheer it on except when it impacts someone they now or who they think is undeserving. I guess it will be a "trial by error" way of sorting this out.
USAID is mostly "all bad" the abuses of funding NGO's and just plain foreign aid DEI based ,,I have no idea how much but it's billions
Yes the farmers payments are interrupted. they'll get it again when those programs are established under State Depy

You gotta break an egg to make an omlete
 
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