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Judge gives go-ahead for the Trump administration to gut USAID's workforce

BirdinHand said:
Notice how quickly MAGAs want to divert away from the malaria drugs, HIV medications, etc that will not be distributed or the clinical trials that will be stopped to talk about conspiracy theories and hypotheticals.
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They are transactional. Like whores. Money up front.
 
Hello My Son said:
Predictable. It turns out that executives are actually allowed to engage in "executive powers" granted by the Constitution. Imagine that!

The more leftists challenge basic elements of the Constitution like this, the more foolish they look. Talk about self-sabotage....it's like watching a trainwreck!
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That wasn't really the argument. The suit seemed to speak to it's inhumanity, which isn't in the Constitutiion. So the suit failed.

With that in mind, its worth remembering that most tyrants act within their country's constitutions. So making the argument strictly within that parameter should be met with a certain level of skepticism, if not outright suspicion.
 
j brown's body said:
If we helped them drive out Russia, we can pressure them to reform.
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Just like in Afghanistan and Vietnam and Korea how many more times do we have to make this mistake before we learn it's a mistake.

You can't fight wars for other people if you do the people you fight the war for should be our vassel. If it's not going to be that arrangement they need to fight for themselves.
j brown's body said:
If we let Russia take over, they'll get a permanent dictatro, with elections (Sound familiar? Russia, Russia, Russia ;)).
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It wouldn't be any part of us letting anything happen we're not the global hegemon but at least we shouldn't be right? If we are let's just take Russia.
j brown's body said:
Use your head.
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I am they did the same thing in Afghanistan it failed they did the same thing in Vietnam it failed they did the same thing in North Korea it failed they did the same thing and parts of South America and it failed.

How many more failures before we learn it should have only taken one.
 
Yakshi said:
In my opinion, a key element of MAGA's excitement to gut something is because they don't understand what it funds.
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Are you sure YOU understand what is actually being funded?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Just like in Afghanistan and Vietnam and Korea how many more times do we have to make this mistake before we learn it's a mistake.

You can't fight wars for other people if you do the people you fight the war for should be our vassel. If it's not going to be that arrangement they need to fight for themselves.

It wouldn't be any part of us letting anything happen we're not the global hegemon but at least we shouldn't be right? If we are let's just take Russia.

I am they did the same thing in Afghanistan it failed they did the same thing in Vietnam it failed they did the same thing in North Korea it failed they did the same thing and parts of South America and it failed.

How many more failures before we learn it should have only taken one.
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The Ukraine situation is nothing like Vietnam or Afghanistan. Now you're just dodging and rationalizing.
 
j brown's body said:
With that in mind, its worth remembering that most tyrants act within their country's constitutions. So making the argument strictly within that parameter should be met with a certain level of skepticism, if not outright suspicion.
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Which tyrants throughout history have acted within their country's constitutions in order to establish tyranny?
 
Queen Margo said:
Deny what? Good grief, I don't think anyone on here KNOWS what is actually being funded. That is why it is being investigated and they have found waste.
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Congress did. That's why it was funded.
 
j brown's body said:
The Ukraine situation is nothing like Vietnam or Afghanistan. Now you're just dodging and rationalizing.
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I wouldn't say it's nothing like that it's a country that can't fight its own war and we think it's our place to help them. Just like in Afghanistan and just like in Vietnam so yeah there are some similarities.

It's not rationalizing it seeing similarities you denying them doesn't mean they don't exist.
 
Parrish said:
Congress did. That's why it was funded.
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Congress doesn't oversee follow-through on their approved funding. It just approves or disapproves spending and doesn't look at a thing after that.

Which is why crazy waste happens, like a public high school using Covid funds to rent an MLB stadium in 2021 and multiple instance of money being allocated for a program in one country, but somehow landing in a completely different country for a completely different purpose.

Anyone whose position is that we should be turning a blind eye to this blatant corruption and recklessness is engaging in party/cultist hyperpartisan denialism. There's simply no other explanation for wanting to hide this kind of obvious problem.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Asking you to support your claims? Not surprising.

How so?

Let me guess it's hilariously ignorant to ask you to support this claim as well?

Does it pay well?
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Elon Musk and Donald Trump are making decisions with no accountability and no oversight, they are dictating in direct violation of our constitution.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I wouldn't say it's nothing like that it's a country that can't fight its own war and we think it's our place to help them. Just like in Afghanistan and just like in Vietnam so yeah there are some similarities.

It's not rationalizing it seeing similarities you denying them doesn't mean they don't exist.
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We made a bi-partisan commitment to them. To abandon them now is a disgrace. That is what the world sees. That is what Ukraine sees

Earlier you were talking about us being hated. Well there you are.
 
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Hello My Son said:
Congress doesn't oversee follow-through on their approved funding. It just approves or disapproves spending and doesn't look at a thing after that.

Which is why crazy waste happens, like a public high school using Covid funds to rent an MLB stadium in 2021 and multiple instance of money being allocated for a program in one country, but somehow landing in a completely different country for a completely different purpose.

Anyone whose position is that we should be turning a blind eye to this blatant corruption and recklessness is engaging in party/cultist hyperpartisan denialism. There's simply no other explanation for wanting to hide this kind of obvious problem.
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So because a school rented an MLB stadium, food has to rot on the docks while people starve?

Seems sketchy.
 
CLAX1911 said:
What does malaria have to do with pro US propaganda?

USAID isn't the same thing as foreign aid.
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The USAID embargo cut off HIV and malaria funding.

HIV funding, I think, was later restored (I don't know if that's still the case), but I haven't read that funding for malaria has been reinstated.
 
j brown's body said:
So because a school rented an MLB stadium, food has to rot on the docks while people starve?
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Weird strawman bullshit. I can't take such dishonest posts seriously.

j brown's body said:
Seems sketchy.
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You're right. Making strawman arguments is indeed very sketchy. You should try just talking about the topic at hand instead of attributing completely fabricated arguments to other posters.
 
j brown's body said:
This is surprising to many Americans. Maybe because slavery was constitutional for so long.

Hitler, for starters.
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Ummm......No.

Article 1 Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Therefore, restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press, on the right of assembly and the right of association, and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications, warrants for house searches, orders for confiscations, as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.

Not even close.

j brown's body said:
The dude running Venezuela.
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The "dude," Maduro, came into power long after the 1999 rewrite of the Constitution allowed indefinite reelections, which was primarily written for Hugo Chavez, who was also dictatorial. Maduro also oversaw a complete dismantling of the Venezuelan government that went entirely against the 1999 constitution. There was a well-known constitutional crisis there in 2017 (look it up since you obviously aren't aware). So no, Maduro didn't come to power as a dictator by following Venezuela's constitution. The guy completely dismantled it!
j brown's body said:
That gentleman of Asian descent who ran Peru. Putin.
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Putin literally changed Russia's constitution so he could stay in power.

The only argument you're making here is that leaders ignore or illegally change constitutions with corrupt actions, and this leads to dictatorship. That's pretty much what always happens. But obviously that means they're not operating in their constitution. In all the cases you've mentioned, the constitutions in play were literally altered or dismantled specifically to ALLOW for a dictator. The constitutions themselves didn't allow for dictators to rule.

j brown's body said:
Here's a primer for you.

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That's an op-ed about how democracies can slippery slope into authoritarianism, not an article demonstrating that tyrants rise to power by following the constitution that's in place before they rise to power.
 
Hello My Son said:
Weird strawman bullshit. I can't take such dishonest posts seriously.



You're right. Making strawman arguments is indeed very sketchy. You should try just talking about the topic at hand instead of attributing completely fabricated arguments to other posters.
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How is it a strawman? Were killing people now by revoking aid like this. It's inhumane. And you want to talk about ball fields.
 
Hello My Son said:
Ummm......No.

Article 1 Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Therefore, restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press, on the right of assembly and the right of association, and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications, warrants for house searches, orders for confiscations, as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.

Not even close.



The "dude," Maduro, came into power long after the 1999 rewrite of the Constitution allowed indefinite reelections, which was primarily written for Hugo Chavez, who was also dictatorial. Maduro also oversaw a complete dismantling of the Venezuelan government that went entirely against the 1999 constitution. There was a well-known constitutional crisis there in 2017 (look it up since you obviously aren't aware). So no, Maduro didn't come to power as a dictator by following Venezuela's constitution. The guy completely dismantled it!


Putin literally changed Russia's constitution so he could stay in power.

The only argument you're making here is that leaders ignore or illegally change constitutions with corrupt actions, and this leads to dictatorship. That's pretty much what always happens. But obviously that means they're not operating in their constitution. In all the cases you've mentioned, the constitutions in play were literally altered or dismantled specifically to ALLOW for a dictator. The constitutions themselves didn't allow for dictators to rule.



That's an op-ed about how democracies can slippery slope into authoritarianism, not an article demonstrating that tyrants rise to power by following the constitution that's in place before they rise to power.
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Did any of these tyrants violate their constitutions?
 
j brown's body said:
How is it a strawman? Were killing people now by revoking aid like this. It's inhumane. And you want to talk about ball fields.
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No, you're not making a good-faith argument, and you're intentionally misquoting me. I cited a single example of wasteful spending. You're well-aware that that example was being cited under the general discussion topic of wasteful spending being a problem that should be investigated.

To disingenuously and dishonestly act like you think I'm only talking about one specific example of wasteful spending is a silly position, and an intentionally obtuse one at that.

Are you in favor of wasteful government spending?
 
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