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I agree Grim. I was shocked to hear that a white man killed a young boy as I was shocked to see that witness Austin was black and relating a story in support of the white MAN who shot the black Martin. This was when the Martin picture was circulated when he was 12 and not the grown 17 year old. Finally seeing a picture of the reported white man with a Jewish last name, who fired the shot was obviously a Latino/Mestique and not white. The Lib Media really screwed with the American people in this whole sorry mess.
well, sharon, that only leaves what, a few million others who may be of jewish heritageThe picture that circulated was give to the cops by Tracey Martin.. It was in his wallet and was taken in August 2011 when Trayvon was 16.
All the Zimmermans I know are German Catholic.. not "Jewish"..
well, sharon, that only leaves what, a few million others who may be of jewish heritage
The picture that circulated was give to the cops by Tracey Martin.. It was in his wallet and was taken in August 2011 when Trayvon was 16.
well, sharon, that only leaves what, a few million others who may be of jewish heritage
The surname Zimmerman comes from the High Middle German zimer, meaning "wood" or "timber" and mann, meaning "man." The meaning, therefore, is "timber man" which refers to a carpenter. It was an occupational surname given to those who worked in the field of carpentry. Many of the people with this surname were Ashkenazim Jews
•The real name of musician Bob Dylan was Robert Zimmerman.[1]
That is not an accurate statement.The closest thing you have is Witness 11 who apparently assumed it was Zimmerman even though a) she didn't see the altercation, and b) admits she couldn't recognize his voice.
The article states:
Both Austin and his mother are adamant that the teen could not see who was screaming, but they believe now that it was Martin.
Gee, I wonder what it could be that make them believe it was Martin screaming rather than Zimmerman??
Holy misrepresentation batman!... and the prosecution calls the DEFENSE experts to testify they no identification is possible because of the short duration and low quality of the recording.
WTF? That isn't the same thing at all. Zimmerman's lack of recognition of his recorded voice is caused by the the sound of his voice not being transmitted partially through the bone as it is when he speaks.Fair enough, just pointing out the double standard. If Zimmerman gets extra leeway because he was in shock, or unaccustomed to hearing such a thing, then Tracy Martin, who literally JUST learned that his son was murdered, should be given at least the same consideration and not called a liar for it.
I am surprised that you do not realize that we have the evidence.Good evening, CJ.:2wave:
I'm continually surprised by the number of people who want to pronounce a verdict in advance of the evidence.:roll:
That is right, they do. And they will be able to determine that it is Zimmerman.LOLOL.. no problem.. Let the jury hear the tapes and decide. They have ears.
Is that the first thing that came to YOUR mind.. That George was Jewish? For God's sake don't lay that idiocy on everyone else.
Austin Brown will say it was Martin doing the screaming:
Trayvon Martin Killing's Youngest Witness, 13, Still Can Hear The Screams
Let's examine the 13 year old boy and his role here...This is what he stated to the 911 operator the night of the shooting:
"I saw a man laying on the ground that needed help, that was screaming and then I was going to go over there to try and help him, but my dog got off the leash, so I went and got my dog, and then I heard a loud sound and then the screaming stopped."
Here's what transpired in the days that followed:
1. He tells police and reporters that he saw someone lying on the ground screaming for help.
2. He identifies the man on the ground screaming, as wearing a red shirt to reporters and police.
3. We know that Zimmerman was the one who was wearing a red/orange top and Martin was wearing a dark hoodie
4. Just as every other witness has, the boy identified Zimmerman as the one on the ground.
5. So the boy witnessed a man on the ground screaming for help, who he identified by clothing to be George Zimmerman.
Now fast forward to the article linked in post #30:
1. The mother claims his sons words were twisted to incinuate it was Zimmerman screaming.
2. Both the boy and his mother now claim he couldn't determine who it was screaming for help that night.
3. Both the boy and his mother now believe it was Trayvon Martin who was screaming, not George Zimmerman.
4. Near the end it says the boy "...didn't see much, just someone lying on the ground and screaming".
The story seems to contradict itself. They didn't change or dispute the description the boy gave of the man on the ground as wearing a red shirt, just that he didn't see who it was screaming... Then with no reasons given, they say they believe now it was Martin screaming, yet at the end of the story it says he saw a man on the ground screaming. I'm confused?
The question now is, what changed between then and now that would lead them to tell that reporter that they now believe it was Martin who was screaming for help? I think maybe these quotes from the story might give us some idea:
1. The boy said "They still haven't arrested him yet," and "That's pretty much the main thing that's upsetting me."
2. The mother said, "That investigator said flat out that we don't think it was self-defense,"
3. The mother said, "Several times he (an investigator) said, 'I have kids, and I'm going to tell you something that I don't tell many people... You have to read between the lines. There's some stereotyping going on.'"
4. The mother said, "He stood here in my family room telling me that this guy [Zimmerman] is not right and it wasn't self-defense and that they have to prove that it wasn't. He was adamant about that."
5. The boy said, "If I was like two years older, that could have happened to me"
So lets review... An investigator interviews the family, a black family, and insinuates that Zimmerman has mental problems and he wasn't acting in self defense, that he targeted Martin because he was black, and states adamantly to the family how they have to prove it wasn't self defense... I'm no rocket scientist, but I think it's pretty clear why the boy's story changed, and it has nothing to do with twisted words, manipulation by police, or the truth about what the boy actually saw...
Whether the mother's claims about what that investigator told her are true or not, the reason the boy's story changed comes down to one thing, and one thing only... It's because Trayvon Martin was black, and George Zimmerman was not... PERIOD.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that what the boy said to the 911 operator that night, to the police, and to that TV reporter was the truth... That George Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help.
So you're saying because he's black, he cannot be trusted?
The actual order - I have not read it just yet.
Judge Nelson Rules In Favor Of Zimmerman Defense: State’s 9-1-1 Voice Experts Excluded! [Docs] | Axiom Amnesia
Edit: Have now read it. Sure sounds to be on solid ground.
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Let's examine the 13 year old boy and his role here...This is what he stated to the 911 operator the night of the shooting:
"I saw a man laying on the ground that needed help, that was screaming and then I was going to go over there to try and help him, but my dog got off the leash, so I went and got my dog, and then I heard a loud sound and then the screaming stopped."
Here's what transpired in the days that followed:
1. He tells police and reporters that he saw someone lying on the ground screaming for help.
2. He identifies the man on the ground screaming, as wearing a red shirt to reporters and police.
3. We know that Zimmerman was the one who was wearing a red/orange top and Martin was wearing a dark hoodie
4. Just as every other witness has, the boy identified Zimmerman as the one on the ground.
5. So the boy witnessed a man on the ground screaming for help, who he identified by clothing to be George Zimmerman.
Now fast forward to the article linked in post #30:
1. The mother claims his sons words were twisted to incinuate it was Zimmerman screaming.
2. Both the boy and his mother now claim he couldn't determine who it was screaming for help that night.
3. Both the boy and his mother now believe it was Trayvon Martin who was screaming, not George Zimmerman.
4. Near the end it says the boy "...didn't see much, just someone lying on the ground and screaming".
The story seems to contradict itself. They didn't change or dispute the description the boy gave of the man on the ground as wearing a red shirt, just that he didn't see who it was screaming... Then with no reasons given, they say they believe now it was Martin screaming, yet at the end of the story it says he saw a man on the ground screaming. I'm confused?
The question now is, what changed between then and now that would lead them to tell that reporter that they now believe it was Martin who was screaming for help? I think maybe these quotes from the story might give us some idea:
1. The boy said "They still haven't arrested him yet," and "That's pretty much the main thing that's upsetting me."
2. The mother said, "That investigator said flat out that we don't think it was self-defense,"
3. The mother said, "Several times he (an investigator) said, 'I have kids, and I'm going to tell you something that I don't tell many people... You have to read between the lines. There's some stereotyping going on.'"
4. The mother said, "He stood here in my family room telling me that this guy [Zimmerman] is not right and it wasn't self-defense and that they have to prove that it wasn't. He was adamant about that."
5. The boy said, "If I was like two years older, that could have happened to me"
So lets review... An investigator interviews the family, a black family, and insinuates that Zimmerman has mental problems and he wasn't acting in self defense, that he targeted Martin because he was black, and states adamantly to the family how they have to prove it wasn't self defense... I'm no rocket scientist, but I think it's pretty clear why the boy's story changed, and it has nothing to do with twisted words, manipulation by police, or the truth about what the boy actually saw...
Whether the mother's claims about what that investigator told her are true or not, the reason the boy's story changed comes down to one thing, and one thing only... It's because Trayvon Martin was black, and George Zimmerman was not... PERIOD.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that what the boy said to the 911 operator that night, to the police, and to that TV reporter was the truth... That George Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help.
I think it's a solid decision and I support it.
I never thought the voice expert would be a significant part of the case.
Applause once more for Judge Nelson.
It's a damn shame when a young boy changes his account of what he saw based on race and influence of parent to lie. Thats about as pathetic as it gets.
Good post and info!
The young boy, and for that matter W6 John, changed their story the very next day. That is the fluff up next day story zimmerman supporters want to hang on to. The only story you can stick by, if at all, is their story given on the phone with 911 on that very night. Nothing there about seeing colors or who was on top of whom. The boy actually said he saw a man on the floor. Obvious if the man is zimmerman, then Trayvon wasn't on top of him.It's a damn shame when a young boy changes his account of what he saw based on race and influence of parent to lie. Thats about as pathetic as it gets.
Good post and info!
No the boy did not. He told his story to the media and to the police.The young boy, [...] changed their story the very next day.
The young boy, and for that matter W6 John, changed their story the very next day. That is the fluff up next day story zimmerman supporters want to hang on to. The only story you can stick by, if at all, is their story given on the phone with 911 on that very night. Nothing there about seeing colors or who was on top of whom. The boy actually said he saw a man on the floor. Obvious if the man is zimmerman, then Trayvon wasn't on top of him.
Really? No colors huh...
He told the 911 operator. "I saw a man laying on the ground that needed help, that was screaming and then I was going to go over there to try and help him, but my dog got off the leash, so I went and got my dog, and then I heard a loud sound and then the screaming stopped."
Man... Ground... Screaming... Red shirt...
You do the math.
I think it's a solid decision and I support it.
I never thought the voice expert would be a significant part of the case.
Applause once more for Judge Nelson.
Well then, start learning the rest of the evidence.So far as I can tell, only two facts are undisputed. Martin is dead, and Zimmerman was significantly nicked up. Everything else will be embroidery and spin off those two anchor points.
The young boy, and for that matter W6 John, changed their story the very next day. That is the fluff up next day story zimmerman supporters want to hang on to. The only story you can stick by, if at all, is their story given on the phone with 911 on that very night. Nothing there about seeing colors or who was on top of whom. The boy actually said he saw a man on the floor. Obvious if the man is zimmerman, then Trayvon wasn't on top of him.
Well then, start learning the rest of the evidence.
Nowhere in his 911 conversation with the dispatcher did he say anything about seeing colors. After the fact was tainted evidence. Since he saw a man on the ground it was assumed to be zimmerman. So, if we go by that Trayvon wasn't on top of him prior to him hearing a shot soon after.As for witness #6, skip to the 2:31 mark and listen to his statement that night. You will also see a photo copy of his written statement to police... That's followed by the interview he did with a local TV reporter the next day. That is followed by his interview with police 3 weeks later. where his story changed...
So what we have, are the 2 witnesses closest to the fight that night both saying it was Zimmerman who was on the ground, Martin who was on top, and that it was Zimmerman who was screaming for help. What is missing from every single eye witness to the confrontation, is anyone who said they saw Martin on the ground and not Zimmerman...
The red shirt part wasn't mentioned at all in the 911 tape. Why can't you be honest, Grim? We've been through this many times in the past already.Really? No colors huh...
He told the 911 operator. "I saw a man laying on the ground that needed help, that was screaming and then I was going to go over there to try and help him, but my dog got off the leash, so I went and got my dog, and then I heard a loud sound and then the screaming stopped."
Man... Ground... Screaming... Red shirt...
You do the math.
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