Responding to childish bull by partaking in childish bull. Instead of being the better person, right?
And its not like the gun permit owners were at any risk, other than having their privacy violated; the staff of the Journal ARE at risk to having direct revenge taken upon them. Good idea in jeopardising the safety of tonnes of people many people are apparently angry with.
The man who posted this information is as much and idiot at deserves are much scrutiny as those that posted the gun-permit owners' information.
What goes around comes around.
Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit Owners | TechCrunch
A week after the Newtown massacre, The Journal News published an interactive Google Map with the names and addresses of gun permit owners in select New York cities. The bold move has escalated into a transparency arms race, after a Connecticut lawyer posted the phone number and addresses of the Journal‘s staff, including a Google Maps satellite Image of the Publisher’s home. “I don’t know whether the Journal’s publisher Janet Hasson is a permit holder herself, but here’s how to find her to ask,” read Christopher Fountain’s blog post. The double irony here is that open data was heralded as a tool of enlightened civic dialog, and has been co-opted for fierce partisanship, bordering on public endangerment.
The Journal‘s original publication of the map sparked nationwide outrage and thousands of angry comments. Gun permit holding is public information in New York, and can be acquired through a mere request via the Freedom of Information Act. But, coming on the heals of the Newtown shooting, the publication had a clear provocative intent. “New York residents have the right to own guns with a permit and they also have a right to access public information,” said a defiant Hasson.
Given that Bushmaster .223-caliber rifle used in the School shooting was reportedly legally registered with the killer’s mother, the Google Map sparked a debate about whether gun owners should be labeled like other potential menaces to society, “The implications are mind-boggling,” said Marine Scott F. Williams to The Journal News, “It’s as if gun owners are sex offenders (and) to own a handgun risks exposure as if one is a sex offender. It’s, in my mind, crazy.”
Sauce for the goose or, home address and phone number of Journal-News publisher | For What It’s Worth
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The permit owners are at risk because now criminals who specifically steal weapons from houses can more easily target people.Responding to childish bull by partaking in childish bull. Instead of being the better person, right?
And its not like the gun permit owners were at any risk, other than having their privacy violated; the staff of the Journal ARE at risk to having direct revenge taken upon them. Good idea in jeopardising the safety of tonnes of people many people are apparently angry with.
The man who posted this information is as much and idiot at deserves are much scrutiny as those that posted the gun-permit owners' information.
And the many angry people now have exact names, addresses and other personal information of the people who made them angry. This is not at all concerning to you?!The permit owners are at risk because now criminals who specifically steal weapons from houses can more easily target people.
And the many angry people now have exact names, addresses and other personal information of the people who made them angry. This is not at all concerning to you?!
Sure, that is problematic as well. I was just correcting your assertion that the permit owners who were originally revealed were not at risk. They are at risk for the reason I stated. Do you concede this?And the many angry people now have exact names, addresses and other personal information of the people who made them angry. This is not at all concerning to you?!
I am not worried that a permit holder would go shoot a journalist
I am worried that a robber who specializes in violent home invasions will target someone who has weapons knowing they have weapons and maybe shooting them in the back when they open their door or shoot them as they walk out their door
one of the reasons to carry concealed is to surprise a robber
its sort of like my late great uncle used to do-he commanded a merchant marine fleet running stuff to the Russians. the german u boats often surfaced to get a better shot figuring merchant marine fleets didn't have escorts early in the war. so the good captain had a couple freighters with false sides that concealed a bunch of 20MM or Double Fifty HMG. the sub came up and the 20MM gunners cut it in half
now if the Nazis knew that one of the ships was a gunboat they would have torpedoed it in the middle of the night from a distance
Sure, that is problematic as well. I was just correcting your assertion that the permit owners who were originally revealed were not at risk. They are at risk for the reason I stated. Do you concede this?
And the many angry people now have exact names, addresses and other personal information of the people who made them angry. This is not at all concerning to you?!
That is a terrible analogy, but I see what you're trying to get at. I agree now, the original action of posting gun permit holders name was stupid, but this sort of retaliation of potentially putting even more people at risk equally or even more stupid.
I will give you MAJOR props if you can lead me to your posts in OPPOSITION to the newspaper posting the locations of the firearms owners. SURELY you were just as vocal about that action...right?And the many angry people now have exact names, addresses and other personal information of the people who made them angry. This is not at all concerning to you?!
I will give you MAJOR props if you can lead me to your posts in OPPOSITION to the newspaper posting the locations of the firearms owners. SURELY you were just as vocal about that action...right?
It doesn't have anything to do with being a better person. It has everything to do with making the journalists understand that what they did was wrong.Sometimes people need the shoe to be put on the other foot in order to understand that what they did is wrong.Responding to childish bull by partaking in childish bull. Instead of being the better person, right?
And its not like the gun permit owners were at any risk, other than having their privacy violated;
Those journalists are just as must endangered as the peoples whose names and addresses the journalists decided to list.the staff of the Journal ARE at risk to having direct revenge taken upon them. Good idea in jeopardising the safety of tonnes of people many people are apparently angry with.
The man who posted this information is as much and idiot at deserves are much scrutiny as those that posted the gun-permit owners' information.
Sarcawhaaaat? :lamoI have not posted on the topic before, these few are my first. But I had previously followed the story. I can tell you indeed I found such violation of privacy and personal endangerment, and this equally childish retaliation, idiotic.
Do not be so condescending. I as well do not appreciate your blatant sarcasm.
Sarcawhaaaat? :lamo
Oh come on. It was funny. You could literally knock me over with a feather that you found no need to actually take a stand about the one, but tripped over yourself to criticize the other. I'm LITERALLY shocked, I tell ya!
While I understand that a lot of this could be public information, it shouldn't be published in this manner. We need to start reasserting our 4th amendment rights.
Maybe it has to do with that fact I hadn't been on the site in a few days? Maybe? Maybe I don't jump up and post my every thought every time I read something in the news? Maybe I don't spend my time arguing every issue present on this forum?
You never know.
Yep... Never 'know'. And yet.
It's OK...I LIKE that the paper exposed its intentions, just like I like that several democrats have come Oy and unabashedly stated their intent to violate the piss out of Americans constitutional rights. I prefer my opposition be fully exposed as opposed tithe ones running around pretending to only want a "little" gun control.
There's an old saying, "pick your battles" the newspaper staff pulled a dick move trying to embarras gun owners into complying with their wishes and pissed a lot of people off. Now the pissed off people have names and addresses, turnabout is fair play. Now, I don't want to see any harm come to them BUT, they DID go out of their way to piss off people they knew were armed. "Pick your battles".And the many angry people now have exact names, addresses and other personal information of the people who made them angry. This is not at all concerning to you?!
I guess the reason I don't feel an ounce of pity for the journalists is because the media in general from print to broadcast has used their soapbox to take sides, advance messages in biased manners, and otherwise mess with people they didn't like. It's a sick kind of justice that they got a taste of what they put out, but not at all inappropriate.I find the lot of this concerning, the permit holders and the revenge on the journalists. It's time to understand the costs and responsibilities of freedom and quit acting like children. The permit lists need not be aggregated, and even though something may be public record doesn't innately mean it should quite be published in these manners (such as the journalists addresses).
Every time a car backfires they are going to need a change of clothes.Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
Maybe next time those journalists will think twice about thier actions.
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