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You think the eighteen year old girl with no English and her broken-hearted grandmother are hysterical?
Your Putin love is worse than anyone could have imagined.
You think the eighteen year old girl with no English and her broken-hearted grandmother are hysterical?hysterical.you can find all kinds of propaganda and justifications for backing parties in war.
(ex.) we backed the Syrian rebels (FSA types) because the jihadist ( al-Nusra and affiliates) were committing atrocities
Turns out that was a bad idea. As is backing Kyiv's imposition of authority over a populace that doesnt want to be under their yoke
It's clear Ukraine has split loyalities, the referendum is just further confirmation -so why are we supplying arms,logistics and training to an extension of the population that doesnt want to be under their control?
no i think your "reasoning" is based on histrionic hate for Putin-especially since you can't refute Ukraine's split loyaltiesYou think the eighteen year old girl with no English and her broken-hearted grandmother are hysterical?
Your Putin love is worse than anyone could have imagined.
We supported faction A because faction B committed atrocities?hysterical.you can find all kinds of propaganda and justifications for backing parties in war.
(ex.) we backed the Syrian rebels (FSA types) because the jihadist ( al-Nusra and affiliates) were committing atrocities
Turns out that was a bad idea. As is backing Kyiv's imposition of authority over a populace that doesnt want to be under their yoke
It's clear Ukraine has split loyalities, the referendum is just further confirmation -so why are we supplying arms,logistics and training to an extension of the population that doesnt want to be under their control?
Don't try to blame me for your willing blindness.
"US militarism" isn't a slogan.
No, bub. My point is you're a Putinist with no skin in the game, so of course you can be cavalier about a military invasion with widespread rape, torture, castration and death squads.no i think your "reasoning" is based on histrionic hate for Putin-especially since you can't refute Ukraine's split loyalties
So you crank up the morality play -which is a terrible manner to decide war policy
I'm sure the UK said much the same when America was drafting its constitution. Did you agree with them too? One should always remember that what is right should always take precedence over what a given government, or group of governments decides is against their laws. As journalist and science fiction author once said:
"Law always chooses sides on the basis of enforcement power. Morality and legal niceties have little to do with it when the real question is: Who has the clout?"
9138th Meeting (PM)
SC/15039
27 September 2022
So-Called Referenda during Armed Conflict in Ukraine ‘Illegal’, Not Expression of Popular Will, United Nations Political Affairs Chief Tells Security Council
Delegates Condemn ‘Sham’ Annexation Polls by Russian Federation in Occupied Ukraine Territories, Call for Resumption of Peace Talks
The so-called “referenda” conducted by de facto authorities in the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions of Ukraine have been held during active armed conflict in the country and cannot be called a genuine expression of the popular will, the United Nations senior political and peacebuilding official told the Security Council today, as members condemned the Russian Federation’s “sham referenda”, while others called for a return to peace talks.
So-Called Referenda during Armed Conflict in Ukraine ‘Illegal’, Not Expression of Popular Will, United Nations Political Affairs Chief Tells Security Council | UN Press
The so-called “referenda” conducted by de facto authorities in the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions of Ukraine have been held during active armed conflict in the country and cannot be called a genuine expression of the popular will, the United Nations senior political and...press.un.org
your point is the usual hysterical driven fear mongering.No, bub. My point is you're a Putinist with no skin in the game, so of course you can be cavalier about a military invasion with widespread rape, torture, castration and death squads.
To your question, some people in forums I have been in have. They say Russia put boots on the ground in Ukraine for its resources, for instance. The term invasion has other negative connotations as well, such as to conquer a place:
As to your second sentence, plenty of evidence that's not true. Here's 2 articles with said evidence:
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There are others as well.
do you get the factions of the Syrian war? The jihadists were the strongest hand -and the best way to go after Assad was backing themWe supported faction A because faction B committed atrocities?
Dafuq?
your point is the usual hysterical driven fear mongering.
But now we are playing nuclear brinksmanship -and that requires cool heads-instead of basing policies by hysteria
do you get the factions of the Syrian war? The jihadists were the strongest hand -and the best way to go after Assad was backing them
But we wound up backing the "non-secularists"-which were weak and fled in battle - leaving their caches for the jihadists
you misread. the lesson is stay out of it - it makes no difference tothe USA what happens in Ukraine -despite the hysteria-Yes. We backed a weaker hand because we don't back Jihadists..... And Assad was fighting, not backing, Jihadists.
All irrelevant whataboutism anyway.
Not sure about that, but even if true, Eva Bartlett is hardly the only journalist who has said that the referendum was fairly done and the Eastern Ukrainians are predominantly eager to join Russia. ''
Former American soldier and current American journalist Patrick Lancaster has done videos saying the same
you misread. the lesson is stay out of it - it makes no difference tothe USA what happens in Ukraine -despite the hysteria-
and the populace is against Kyiv domination in the areas of the 4 oblasts as well
It's in our national interest NOT to be in a game of nuclear brinksmanship over such.
That has long been my point...getting into war against Russia over Ukraine is insane
The Russiaphobic crowd blows right past this blowback
Well worth a look at for those who think that Russia forced people to vote in this referendum...
Eva's summary of the video:
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Western commentators would do well to listen to them (but we know they won't). Summary:
-they waited 8 years for this
-they are tired of being bombed by Ukraine, they want peace & feel joining Russia will bring this
-they were not intimidated or forced to vote, many (like Syrians) faced potential shelling in order to do so, many volunteered in order to ensure the referendum went ahead
-they've long since given up caring what western commentators & "news" say about them (the same who whitewashed Ukraine's 8+ years of war crimes against the civilians of the Donbass).
For my commentary, see this recent interview:
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Example of NATO or the EU annexing part of a sovereign country?Unless it is Nato/Eu doing the annexation or dismemberment
Example of NATO or the EU annexing part of a sovereign country?
How's your @anatta Ukrainian, bub? You got people in Ukraine? You want to meet the 'Russian-speaking' Ukrainian family (women only; the men were all kidnapped by gangsters and pressed into arms) from the Donbas staying three miles down the road with good friends, because the Russian 'liberators' are in fact raping, castrating, child-torturing beasts whose human provenance masks an inhuman monstrousness? Or do want to keep nattering on about Vlad ****ing Putin's side of things, like a good little gangster's shill?
My standing offer to all Putinists applies to you: I will pay for your passage to Kazan.
No. Pax Romana is considered the golden age of Roman imperialism.
Modern international law developed out of Renaissance Europe.
as usual you (and most others)make these sweeping statement about the "Ukrainian people" when Ukraine has split loyalties
These are pro-Russian (anti-Kyiv actions) - so the referendum just confirms the split loyaltyies seen in the east,southeast & Crimea
I think a Brothers of Italy, Swedish fascists, Putin and Orban supporting authoritarian lacks the credibility to do much other than shame-fap in public, drenched in his own tears.Actually the local ethnic Russian speaking populations can speak for themselves. And they do speak out. And their accounts do not back your fabrications.
Methinks thou doeth protesteth too much.
That's the point. They do not reflect popular support. A referendum reflects nothing when it is overseen by an occupying military force other than the will of said force. Russia has legitimate claim to these areas to the same degree that NATO has claim to Russian territory. Simply declaring it doesn't make it so.nothing is ever legit according to the west. regardless the referendums reflect the popular support for Russia in the east
and along the southern oblasts. as is well understood
Well worth a look at for those who think that Russia forced people to vote in this referendum...
Eva's summary of the video:
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Western commentators would do well to listen to them (but we know they won't). Summary:
-they waited 8 years for this
-they are tired of being bombed by Ukraine, they want peace & feel joining Russia will bring this
-they were not intimidated or forced to vote, many (like Syrians) faced potential shelling in order to do so, many volunteered in order to ensure the referendum went ahead
-they've long since given up caring what western commentators & "news" say about them (the same who whitewashed Ukraine's 8+ years of war crimes against the civilians of the Donbass).
For my commentary, see this recent interview:
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