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Well worth a look at for those who think that Russia forced people to vote in this referendum...
Hey tankie, how is it you think we're stupid enough to buy anything RT puts out?
They were not invited by Ukraine.For starters, the Donbass republics requested Russia's aid in defending itself prior to Russia starting its military operation in Ukraine. Now, I will grant that Russia has gone beyond the borders of what the Donbass republics held prior to Russia putting boots on the ground in Ukraine, but, at least in so far as the Donbass Republics' referendums, there is a difference between a country going to a place by force and going there by invitation.
Secondly, illegal according to whom? Thirdly, I don't see anyone decrying the elections held in Afghanistan or Iraq when the U.S. was occupying those countries. Forthly, the most important thing isn't that someone's law is being broken, but what is the best thing to do in a given situation. As journalist and science fiction author Frank Herbert once wrote:
"Law always chooses sides on the basis of enforcement power. Morality and legal niceties have little to do with it when the real question is: Who has the clout?"
If the Northwest Territories invited Russia in would Canada lose its territorial sovereignty?
Where are you posting from?Well worth a look at for those who think that Russia forced people to vote in this referendum...
Eva's summary of the video:
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Western commentators would do well to listen to them (but we know they won't). Summary:
-they waited 8 years for this
-they are tired of being bombed by Ukraine, they want peace & feel joining Russia will bring this
-they were not intimidated or forced to vote, many (like Syrians) faced potential shelling in order to do so, many volunteered in order to ensure the referendum went ahead
-they've long since given up caring what western commentators & "news" say about them (the same who whitewashed Ukraine's 8+ years of war crimes against the civilians of the Donbass).
For my commentary, see this recent interview:
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Where are you posting from?
So why are you supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine?Mexico. I'm Canadian-Mexican and have been staying in Mexico for some time now.
So why are you supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine?
Do you think getting involved was worth sacrificing the Russian economy to crippling sanctions? Sanctions, by the way, which would remain firmly in place and possibly escalate even if Ukraine were to surrender unconditionally? Not to mention revealing the weakness of the Russian military to the rest of the world, and killing thousands of Russian boys?For starters, I don't consider Russia's military operation in Ukraine to be an invasion, at least not in the sense that it's usually understood, that is to plunder the place. I made a thread about this here:
Why I call Russia's role in Ukraine a military operation
Over the course of time in this forum, multiple people have apparently been upset with me for not following the standard western mainstream media's approach of calling Russia's role in Ukraine an invasion. I've given my reasons, but some people keep on bringing it up anyway. To avoid having to...debatepolitics.com
As to why I am sympathetic to Russia's stance in regards to the Ukraine war, I should say that I wasn't originally. At first, I wasn't sure what to think. But the more I read on the whole affair, the more I came to believe that Russia had a lot of good reasons for getting involved in the Ukraine war, a war that actually started as a civil war 8 years ago.
Donbas regions ( Russian separatists) have been warring with Kyiv’s army since 2014.Your premise is false. The Donbass republics did not request Russia's aid in defending itself. This is a false assertion that Putin is using to justify an invasion for territorial expansion.
There are Americans being detained and mistreated in Russia who have requested the aid of the United States.Donbas regions ( Russian separatists) have been warring with Kyiv’s army since 2014.
They have request all kinds of aid from Russia - lots
Ukraine separatists seek Russian help as U.S. says attack is ready
Separatists in Ukraine asked Moscow to help repel "aggression" on Wednesday and explosions rocked the breakaway eastern city of Donetsk as the United States warned everything is in place for a major attack by Russia on its neighbor.www.reuters.com
Nice deflection. I was asking Luce to prove his assertion, let's stick to the subject.
I am only correcting your disinformation here. I dont have time to debate other then to say the Russian separatists also have much local popular support. Which was reflected in the referendumsThere are Americans being detained and mistreated in Russia who have requested the aid of the United States.
Does this justify invasion?
The referendums were not legitimate. Elections at gunpoint are not fair elections.I am only correcting your disinformation here. I dont have time to debate other then to say the Russian separatists also have much local popular support. Which was reflected in the referendums
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I never claimed Ukraine had invited them. I was referring to the Donbass Republics:
Propaganda bullshit, Putin will roast in hell.Well worth a look at for those who think that Russia forced people to vote in this referendum...
Eva's summary of the video:
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Western commentators would do well to listen to them (but we know they won't). Summary:
-they waited 8 years for this
-they are tired of being bombed by Ukraine, they want peace & feel joining Russia will bring this
-they were not intimidated or forced to vote, many (like Syrians) faced potential shelling in order to do so, many volunteered in order to ensure the referendum went ahead
-they've long since given up caring what western commentators & "news" say about them (the same who whitewashed Ukraine's 8+ years of war crimes against the civilians of the Donbass).
For my commentary, see this recent interview:
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nothing is ever legit according to the west. regardless the referendums reflect the popular support for Russia in the eastThe referendums were not legitimate. Elections at gunpoint are not fair elections.
Well worth a look at for those who think that Russia forced people to vote in this referendum...
Eva's summary of the video:
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Western commentators would do well to listen to them (but we know they won't). Summary:
-they waited 8 years for this
-they are tired of being bombed by Ukraine, they want peace & feel joining Russia will bring this
-they were not intimidated or forced to vote, many (like Syrians) faced potential shelling in order to do so, many volunteered in order to ensure the referendum went ahead
-they've long since given up caring what western commentators & "news" say about them (the same who whitewashed Ukraine's 8+ years of war crimes against the civilians of the Donbass).
Doesn't matter if true. Annexation of another country is contrary to international law.
DA RUSSIANS! *it works every time* now DA RUSSIANS are blamed for blowing up their own pipeline??? what??Its actually a no brainer. Russophobia- not just hatred for Putin, I am talking about hatred of Russians- is so chronic that it is not funny. And it shows in exchanges.
You easily run into statements like 'Ukrainians are united against the Russians'. You then have to point out that actually Ukraine is a fractured society; then it is acknowledged as an after thought. But only to pop up again down the road.
You will be surprised the amount of people who seriously believe Ukrainians use artillery different from Russians. Post all the videos of Ukrainian artillery raining down hell on separatist Donetsk City, it is dismissed as Russian propaganda.
And it gets delicious. Russians in Ukraine dont want to be liberated by Russians! They are happy being minorities under a Kyiv regime that is as Russophobic as you can get.
or just outright regime change like Libya, Iraq, AfghanistanUnless it is Nato/Eu doing the annexation or dismemberment
DA RUSSIANS! *it works every time* now DA RUSSIANS are blamed for blowing up their own pipeline??? what??
it doesnt have to stand up to any logic..just blame DA RUSSIANS- works every timeAnd it is argued with all seriousness! Even though I dont know anyone in the forum who will understand it if the US blew up billions of dollars worth of US infrastructure so as to pin it on Russians! Crazy
The referendums were not legitimate. Elections at gunpoint are not fair elections.
it doesnt have to stand up to any logic..just blame DA RUSSIANS- works every time
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