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Josh Duggar (of TLC's 19 Kids and Counting) admits to molesting.... [W:171,357]

Fiddytree said:
I'm going to strongly dissent there. Have someone close to me that was abused by an age peer a couple years younger than that and that's what the cops said to their folks. "Boys will be boys".

To this day, that person cannot handle locker rooms, is uncomfortable in public bathrooms, does not like unknown touches on the shoulder , and so on without needing to deck some one.
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I don't think "boys will be boys" is the appropriate response. Like I said, I think such behavior is indicative of boundary issues (or of someone reenacting abuse that has been done to them). In either case, the behavior needs to be addressed, but I don't think that a 10 or 11 year old who touches other kids inappropriately is as sinister, for lack of a better word, as a 14 year old who does the same thing. The developmental age of both groups are very different even if the people they abuse are affected similarly.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Well, again. That's simply not your call to make. :shrug:

Frankly, your eagerness to brand the man as a pedophile in spite of your lack of any qualification to do so is what is "immature" here.
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I've never called him a pedophile because I think that's presumptuous as he was 14, a child himself, when this occurred. And if you think that my comment that a 14 year old using a toddler for sexual gratification is bad is a subjective judgment, you have a problem. It's alarming actually.
 
beefheart said:
They did it after the state took the kids out of their abusive home.

I once worked for a NP that took care of abused kids, it happens a lot more than you think. Child abuse and molestation isn't something that a family can just "work out" There are trained professionals out there, saving lives, sorry you can't get around your paranoic view that all government is bad. Thankfully, their is a social safety net to help out families.
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All of which is absolutely irrelevant, as no such abuse seems to have been taking place in the Duggar house hold.

Facts... You should probably look into them.

beefheart said:
How ironic, I was mocking your emotional ad hominem attack.
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I haven't made one. You have made several. :lol:
 
Superfly said:
Yes, I guess you are stupid. You have people sitting here telling you that you don't get to make the choice to deal with the government when it comes to your kids, but you are stomping your feet, holding your breath until you turn blue in the face and saying, "The government can't tell me what to do with my own family!"

Go read up on Ruby Ridge and see how well that worked out for the guy's family when he made the decision to "not deal with federal overlords."

The government always wins.

The government always wins.
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Funny then that we are currently here discussing how the Duggar family (and my own, for that matter), managed to do just that by keeping SS out of their problems.

See how that works? :roll:

Government only wins if you let them win.
 
Gathomas88 said:
All of which is absolutely irrelevant, as no such abuse seems to have been taking place in the Duggar house hold.

Facts... You should probably look into them.



I haven't made one. You have made several. :lol:
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Wow, you admitted you made one....after I pointed out your hypocrisy. :lamo

Look, you were obviously raised in a closed off environment, but you don't get it, if someone is molesting someone, you get professional help, not a preacher, not a family friend who has a giant spank bank of kiddie porn, and you don't ignore it till it goes away.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Funny then that we are currently here discussing how the Duggar family (and my own, for that matter), managed to do just that by keeping SS out of their problems.

See how that works? :roll:

Government only wins if you let them win.
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The officer that the Duggar's reported their son to is now in jail on child pornography charges. That's how they kept SS out of their problems.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I've never called him a pedophile because I think that's presumptuous as he was 14, a child himself, when this occurred. And if you think that my comment that a 14 year old using a toddler for sexual gratification is bad is a subjective judgment, you have a problem. It's alarming actually.
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Sooo... Right on the heel of claiming it would be "presumptuous" to attempt to diagnose the man based upon the one act... You turn around and make a presumptuous diagnosis?

Nice. :lol:
 
Gathomas88 said:
Funny then that we are currently here discussing how the Duggar family (and my own, for that matter), managed to do just that by keeping SS out of their problems.

See how that works? :roll:

Government only wins if you let them win.
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:roll: And what about the kids who were molested? You are sickening, Gath, to agree that covering something like this up is OK.

Man, you have got some serious, serious issues.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Sooo... Right on the heel of claiming it would be "presumptuous" to attempt to diagnose the man based upon the one act... You turn around and make a presumptuous diagnosis?

Nice. :lol:
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I never said that it was presumptuous to make a diagnosis. I said that it was presumptuous to call him a pedophile, which it is. It is not, however, presumptuous to state that a 14 year old molesting toddlers is a problem. That is a fact. It's really, truly sick that you don't think that that is a problem.
 
beefheart said:
Wow, you admitted you made one....after I pointed out your hypocrisy. :lamo

Look, you were obviously raised in a closed off environment, but you don't get it, if someone is molesting someone, you get professional help, not a preacher, not a family friend who has a giant spank bank of kiddie porn, and you don't ignore it till it goes away.
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That is your opinion. Nothing more.

Again, by all appearances, the Duggars seem to have handled the problem just fine.

No reason to get upset because they didn't rely upon the big hand of government to bail them out.

Superfly said:
Well gee whiz. I guess that makes it OK then, because he fondled them somewhere other than his home.
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It's okay because they took care of the problem.

Who cares if they went through the "official" channels or not?

ThePlayDrive said:
The officer that the Duggar's reported their son to is now in jail on child pornography charges. That's how they kept SS out of their problems.
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Non sequitur.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I said that it was presumptuous to call him a pedophile
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Which would be making a diagnosis.

It is not, however, presumptuous to state that a 14 year old molesting toddlers is a problem. That is a fact. It's really, truly sick that you don't think that that is a problem.
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I didn't say that it wasn't a problem. I denied that it was necessarily indicative of pedophilia, or that one necessarily needed to rely upon SS to correct the problem.
 
Gathomas88 said:
That is your opinion. Nothing more.
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And your opinion, nothing more.

Abuse and molestation don't go away if you close your eyes and plug your ears.
 
Gathomas88 said:
It's okay because they took care of the problem.

Who cares if they went through the "official" channels or not?
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They "took care of the problem" because they kept their sick, twisted son from being jailed, and they "took care of their problem" because they kept their children in a dangerous situation.

I hope they get investigated like the Honey Boo Boo people. They deliberately kept their young children in a dangerous environment and covered up the secret.

And you are OK with that. You are just as bad as they are.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
The officer that the Duggar's reported their son to is now in jail on child pornography charges. That's how they kept SS out of their problems.
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Works about as good as handling snakes....:shock:
 
Superfly said:
:roll: And what about the kids who were molested?
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What about them? Were they molested again after the parents took action?

By all information we have available, no. They were not.

You are sickening, Gath, to agree that covering something like this up is OK.
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The alternative being what, exactly? Branding some confused kid (who, again, has never committed another crime of this nature, as far as we're aware) as a sex offender for the rest of his life?

What purpose does that serve?

Man, you have got some serious, serious issues.
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Ditto.
 
beefheart said:
Abuse and molestation don't go away if you close your eyes and plug your ears.
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Good thing that the Duggar family did neither then. :shrug:

Oh! And apparently, they were able to take care of the problem, and make sure that it did "go away."

Again, I'm not really sure why you're getting bent out of shape here, other than that their actions happen to offend your state worshiping sensibilities.
 
Superfly said:
They "took care of the problem" because they kept their sick, twisted son from being jailed, and they "took care of their problem" because they kept their children in a dangerous situation.

I hope they get investigated like the Honey Boo Boo people. They deliberately kept their young children in a dangerous environment and covered up the secret.

And you are OK with that. You are just as bad as they are.
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There is no evidence to suggest that the environment was dangerous.
 
What makes me utterly sick is that fact that NOTHING was done and they continued having children and letting h around. Sending him off to some construction site is not gonna set him straight. They hid it long enough that nothing can be done now that it's out. And that's BS.
 
Gathomas88 said:
What about them? Were they molested again after the parents took action?

By all information we have available, no. They were not.
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Well up until a few hours ago, we had no idea that this guy ever touched a child at all. So we can't really say with any confidence that it DIDN'T happen again, either. Once a child molester, always a child molester.


The alternative being what, exactly? Branding some confused kid (who, again, has never committed another crime of this nature, as far as we're aware) as a sex offender for the rest of his life?

What purpose does that serve?
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Well, it keeps other kids safe. I wonder how many parents are mortified now, knowing that their children were going over to the Duggars' to play, only to find out that the oldest one liked to touch little kids.


Ditto.
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If you are saying I have serious issues because I want children protected, then go right ahead. I'd probably venture to guess that you wouldn't be happy with a show of hands right now, of who has more issues, me or you.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Again, none of which indicates that they did not take action.

Why is the concept of actually taking care of something yourself, rather than waiting for the government to save the day, such an alien idea to you? :lol:
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Their idea of taking action was to seek counsel from their child porn collecting friend.

Because, that was a great idea...

What’s more, Jim Bob informed the elders of his church about Joshua’s actions and they waited three months before contacting authorities. The explosive new information is contained in a Springdale, Ark., police report obtained by In Touch magazine.

The report has been hidden since 2006 and was just obtained by the mag through a Freedom of information Act request. Jim Bob also refused to allow police to interview Josh when they opened a felony investigation in 2006. The Duggars star on TLC’s hit show 19 Kids and Counting.

In Touch magazine first broke the news of the Duggars’ underage sexual molestation scandal in this week’s magazine. (Note: Josh’s name is redacted from the police report but In Touch has confirmed the passages that refer to him.)
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Other bombshells in the police report are: Josh Duggar was investigated for multiple sex offenses — including forcible fondling — against five minors. Some of the alleged offenses investigated were felonies. Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar were interview by the Springdale Police department on Dec. 12, 2006. The report says that James told police he was alerted in March, 2002 by a female minor that Josh — who turned 14-years-old that month — had been touching her breasts and genitals while she slept. This allegedly happened on multiple occasions. In 2006, Jim Bob told police that in July, 2002 Josh admitted to fondling a minor’s breasts while she slept. “James said that they disciplined (redacted, Josh) after this incident.” The family did not alert authorities.
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By not alerting authorities, the Duggars are guilty. If you know it..you own it.
 
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