January 6 panel moves to hold Steve Bannon in criminal contempt

[Carl Young]

Merely proves that right wingers have a different, much lighter justice system for themselves.

Is it your understanding that it's "right wingers" in charge of the justice system?

 

[SkyFox76]

Most of the protestors were charged with illegal parading or some other such misdemeanor. Only a handful have been charged with violent crimes.

And? The idea that anyone is trying to dismiss what was smeared across tv screens that day is simply insane. This thought that saying something so absurd as "they were mostly welcomed in" defies any logic for people with any sense of logic. We ALL saw it. It's not some carefully edited video created to fool people. It was live. It was an attack by people refusing to accept the results of a fair election because Trump lost. And that part isn't even surprising really, because from the start his whole presidency was about defiance. Laws didn't matter. Attacking our military, our FBI, our veterans. There is simply no bottom of the barrel that some of you won't go to support that grifter.

 

[Rawley]

And? The idea that anyone is trying to dismiss what was smeared across tv screens that day is simply insane. This thought that saying something so absurd as "they were mostly welcomed in" defies any logic for people with any sense of logic. We ALL saw it. It's not some carefully edited video created to fool people. It was live. It was an attack by people refusing to accept the results of a fair election because Trump lost. And that part isn't even surprising really, because from the start his whole presidency was about defiance. Laws didn't matter. Attacking our military, our FBI, our veterans. There is simply no bottom of the barrel that some of you won't go to support that grifter.

"And" there was little violence that day.

 

[Carl Young]

"And" there little violence that day.

Except for the one protestor, Ashli Babbitt, who was shot and killed.

 

[Rawley]

Except for the one protestor, Ashli Babbitt, who was shot and killed.

Unfortuantely true.

 

[SkyFox76]

Here's a video of the 'incredibly disturbing' "insurrectionists". It was a set up and nothing like what happened in Portland a few days ago.

Lol I actually started to suggest in my previous post that's the video you were using as your guide. And here it is!

 

[soap box]

As with the "Insurrection" you should provide credible evidence before making the charge.

I guess that means yes, you will tell any lie to defend the ex president.
Damn it, we saw the video footage and we know. You are not fooling anyone with your lousy excuses and invented lies. I don't care what you want to call it or what you don't want to call it. It was unAmerican, anti-democratic, it was pitiful, disgusting, repulsive and based on trump's lies.
Besides, the conspiracty pleas hae begun

Prosecutors Get Their 1st Guilty Plea In The Jan. 6 Oath Keepers Conspiracy Case

The conspiracy case involving the Oath Keepers extremist group is one of the most closely watched of those related to the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.

www.npr.org

 

[soap box]

As with the "Insurrection" you should provide credible evidence before making the charge.

The violence in this video is sufficient that this evidence is restricted by youtube, click on "watch on youtube"

 

[eohrnberger]

I guess that means yes, you will tell any lie to defend the ex president.
Damn it, we saw the video footage and we know. You are not fooling anyone with your lousy excuses and invented lies. I don't care what you want to call it or what you don't want to call it. It was unAmerican, anti-democratic, it was pitiful, disgusting, repulsive and based on trump's lies.
Besides, the conspiracty pleas hae begun

Prosecutors Get Their 1st Guilty Plea In The Jan. 6 Oath Keepers Conspiracy Case

The conspiracy case involving the Oath Keepers extremist group is one of the most closely watched of those related to the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.

www.npr.org

From your own citation:

"Graydon Young pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy and one count of obstruction of an official proceeding."

What I'm not seeing is a charge for 'insurrection'. Further, of the 600 people charged, it is this guy and one other charged with conspiracy, I believe? A really low percentage, so not so prevalent in those that breached the security barrier.

As to the rest of your rant is similarly loosely based on the facts. Here's something that's far more based on facts and a federal prosecutor's experience.

​

The office of the United States attorney for the District of Columbia has a “Sedition Task Force” focused on the January 6 riot . . . but it doesn’t have a sedition case.​

​

Federal prosecutors haven’t charged any terrorism offenses, but, as a rationale for denying one defendant bail, they are trying to convince a skeptical federal judge that by damaging a doorway in forcing her way into the Capitol — a crime often treated as a misdemeanor, and for which the maximum sentence is just ten years — she committed a “crime of terrorism.”​

​

Let’s be real. With due respect to Attorney General Merrick Garland, the Capitol melee is by no stretch of the imagination the greatest threat to our democracy in living memory. It is not 9/11. It is not the Boston Marathon bombing. Indeed, the June 14, 2017, Washington baseball field shooting spree, in which a radical leftist tried to mass-murder much of the Republican congressional delegation, bore more hallmarks of a terrorist attack — albeit one that, like the deadly Black Lives Matter riots of last summer, the media-Democrat complex always remembers to forget.​

​

What the Capitol Riot Prosecutions Tell Us​

The rioters will be punished appropriately, but not punished as if they were terrorists who were trying to overthrow the United States government.​

By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY, June 12, 2021​

What the Capitol Riot Prosecutions Tell Us | National Review

The rioters will be punished appropriately, but not punished as if they were terrorists who were trying to overthrow the United States government.

www.nationalreview.com

​

Charges of treason, insurrection nor sedition, no.
Charges for obstructing / disrupting congress, yes.
Charges for criminal trespass, destruction of public / government property, yes.

I think you need to climb down from your, err, 'soap box'.

 

[CaughtInThe]

It makes perfect sense. We all saw the attack on the Capitol that day. We saw people pounding on doors, breaking windows, crawling through those same windows. We saw them marching through the hallways yelling hang Mike Pence! We saw them entering the Senate floor and going through documents. We saw them pounding on the doors outside the Speakers lobby and eventually breaking a window which Ashley Babbitt then attempted to crawl through.

And with all that video, all the photos, and the words straight out of the mouth of Mitch McConnell, you come in here with this garbage that "most of the protesters were welcomed inside". And after watching McConnell, your only take away is yeah, so what?

what do you call a person who excuses an attempted insurrection.

 

[SkyFox76]

what do you call a person who excuses an attempted insurrection.

Hopelessly devoted.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Again you prove my point and you clearly haven't seen the video of that evening.

Most protesters were welcomed inside and were wandering aimlessly around the building, with the police largely acting as guides. Have you ever seen an actual 'resurrection' take place or have read of of one? Do you know what's essential to any legitimate 'insurrection'?

"Have you ever seen an actual 'resurrection' take place or have read of of one?"

Yes, haven't you?

"Do you know what's essential to any legitimate 'insurrection'?"

INSURRECTION

a violent uprising against an authority or government.
​

Essential elements

[1] violence
[2] uprising
[3] against
and
[4] authority or government.
​

What happened on 06 JAN 21

[1] violence - CHECK
[2] uprising - CHECK
[3] against - CHECK
and
[4] authority or government - CHECK
​

PLEASE NOTE - Neither "successful", nor "coordinated", nor "pre-planned" are amongst the "essential elements".

 

[jpevans]

Again with this politically motivated exaggeration and hyperbole over 1/6.

For a more realistic and knowledgeable summary founded in law by a former federal prosecutor.

​

The office of the United States attorney for the District of Columbia has a “Sedition Task Force” focused on the January 6 riot . . . but it doesn’t have a sedition case.​

​

Federal prosecutors haven’t charged any terrorism offenses, but, as a rationale for denying one defendant bail, they are trying to convince a skeptical federal judge that by damaging a doorway in forcing her way into the Capitol — a crime often treated as a misdemeanor, and for which the maximum sentence is just ten years — she committed a “crime of terrorism.”​

​

Let’s be real. With due respect to Attorney General Merrick Garland, the Capitol melee is by no stretch of the imagination the greatest threat to our democracy in living memory. It is not 9/11. It is not the Boston Marathon bombing. Indeed, the June 14, 2017, Washington baseball field shooting spree, in which a radical leftist tried to mass-murder much of the Republican congressional delegation, bore more hallmarks of a terrorist attack — albeit one that, like the deadly Black Lives Matter riots of last summer, the media-Democrat complex always remembers to forget.​

​

What the Capitol Riot Prosecutions Tell Us​

The rioters will be punished appropriately, but not punished as if they were terrorists who were trying to overthrow the United States government.​

By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY, June 12, 2021​

What the Capitol Riot Prosecutions Tell Us | National Review

The rioters will be punished appropriately, but not punished as if they were terrorists who were trying to overthrow the United States government.

www.nationalreview.com

No charges insurrection.
No charges sedition.
Charges of disruption and obstruction of Congress, yes.
Charges of criminal trespass, destruction of government property, yes.

You guys just need to stop.

None of the crimes you mentioned was a threat to democracy, although clearly 9/11, The Boston Marathon Bombing & the shooting at the ball field were terrorism, they strengthened the resolve to protect democracy. The riots at BLM were often Para-Military Police Riots. While at least one was started by a Hells Angle smashing the windows of an Auto Zone.

 

[Captain America]

If I refused to comply, I would be jailed. I see no reason why Steve Bannon should get special treatment.

Man, the subpoenas I serve, even for nickel and dime small claim cases, clearly states that refusing to appear could result in criminal penalties. One would think, given the magnitude of this particular issue, one would be thrown UNDER the jail for failure to appear.

 

[eohrnberger]

None of the crimes you mentioned was a threat to democracy, although clearly 9/11, The Boston Marathon Bombing & the shooting at the ball field were terrorism, they strengthened the resolve to protect democracy. The riots at BLM were often Para-Military Police Riots. While at least one was started by a Hells Angle smashing the windows of an Auto Zone.

Admittedly all potentially interesting topics for discussion, but not anything to do with what I posted about, namely the federal charges filed against those who criminally breached the capitol security barrier. Those charges, by their very nature, were also not a 'threat to democracy'.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

what do you call a person who excuses an attempted insurrection.

The question is much too general. The question can only be answered with respect to specific countries and specific times.

For example, the questions

• "What do you call a person who excuses the attempted insurrection in Germany on 20 July 1944?"
• "What do you call a person who excuses the attempted insurrection in Britain on 13 June 1381?"
• "What do you call a person who excuses the attempted insurrection in the United States of America on and after 12 April 1861?"
• "What do you call a person who excuses the attempted insurrection in the United States of America on or about 07 November 1811?"

all have different answers - don't they?

 

[jpevans]

They most certainly did.

In fact, one of the "Blutfahne" was the centerpiece for the Trumpkins pledge of allegiance to "The Flag" just recently.

The Nazi Blood Flag was a flag used in Hitler's failed coup, for which he went to prison, was stained with the blood of an insurrectionist killed in the socalled Beerhall putsch, & was a beloved Nazi symbol from then on & was used to consecrate new Nazi flags.
So to date there are similarity's, right up to & including the Insane leaders.

From the failed Insurrection, Hitler went on to have a more or less legal takeover of the German Government. & it's all history...

 

[SkyFox76]

"And" there was little violence that day.

Haha okay

 

[soap box]

From your own citation:

"Graydon Young pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy and one count of obstruction of an official proceeding."

What I'm not seeing is a charge for 'insurrection'. Further, of the 600 people charged, it is this guy and one other charged with conspiracy, I believe? A really low percentage, so not so prevalent in those that breached the security barrier.

As to the rest of your rant is similarly loosely based on the facts. Here's something that's far more based on facts and a federal prosecutor's experience.

​

The office of the United States attorney for the District of Columbia has a “Sedition Task Force” focused on the January 6 riot . . . but it doesn’t have a sedition case.​

​

Federal prosecutors haven’t charged any terrorism offenses, but, as a rationale for denying one defendant bail, they are trying to convince a skeptical federal judge that by damaging a doorway in forcing her way into the Capitol — a crime often treated as a misdemeanor, and for which the maximum sentence is just ten years — she committed a “crime of terrorism.”​

​

Let’s be real. With due respect to Attorney General Merrick Garland, the Capitol melee is by no stretch of the imagination the greatest threat to our democracy in living memory. It is not 9/11. It is not the Boston Marathon bombing. Indeed, the June 14, 2017, Washington baseball field shooting spree, in which a radical leftist tried to mass-murder much of the Republican congressional delegation, bore more hallmarks of a terrorist attack — albeit one that, like the deadly Black Lives Matter riots of last summer, the media-Democrat complex always remembers to forget.​

​

What the Capitol Riot Prosecutions Tell Us​

The rioters will be punished appropriately, but not punished as if they were terrorists who were trying to overthrow the United States government.​

By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY, June 12, 2021​

What the Capitol Riot Prosecutions Tell Us | National Review

The rioters will be punished appropriately, but not punished as if they were terrorists who were trying to overthrow the United States government.

www.nationalreview.com

​

Charges of treason, insurrection nor sedition, no.
Charges for obstructing / disrupting congress, yes.
Charges for criminal trespass, destruction of public / government property, yes.

I think you need to climb down from your, err, 'soap box'.

I don't care what you want to call it or what you don't want to call it. All your talk about "let's be real" and "your rant" means nothing. They wanted to interrupt the EC, based on Trump's lies. They usd violence to do that.

Are we a nation of laws that settles our differences with violence? Now that January 6th has happened I think we are.

I don't care a hoot if you can't understand what happened that day. You don't want to call it an insurrection, or a something whatever, your semantic fig leaves are nothing.

IT was anti-American, anti democratic, based on trumps lies, it was based in ignorance of the constitution and our history, it was disgusting, appauling, repulsive and inexcusable.

You cannot erase history.

 

[eohrnberger]

I don't care what you want to call it or what you don't want to call it. All your talk about "let's be real" and "your rant" means nothing. They wanted to interrupt the EC, based on Trump's lies. They usd violence to do that.

Are we a nation of laws that settles our differences with violence? Now that January 6th has happened I think we are.

I don't care a hoot if you can't understand what happened that day. You don't want to call it an insurrection, or a something whatever, your semantic fig leaves are nothing.

IT was anti-American, anti democratic, based on trumps lies, it was based in ignorance of the constitution and our history, it was disgusting, appauling, repulsive and inexcusable.

Your emotionally ladden, subjective opinion so noted.

You cannot erase history.

Correct. Nor was there ever any attempt to do so in pointing out the actual charges which federal prosecutors DID file and why.

(BTW: It appears the political left thinks it can, with all the statue removing, school renaming, and book banning. )

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The Nazi Blood Flag was a flag used in Hitler's failed coup, for which he went to prison, was stained with the blood of an insurrectionist killed in the socalled Beerhall putsch, & was a beloved Nazi symbol from then on & was used to consecrate new Nazi flags.
So to date there are similarity's, right up to & including the Insane leaders.

From the failed Insurrection, Hitler went on to have a more or less legal takeover of the German Government. & it's all history...

Some of us are familiar with history, and some of us think that "history" started in 1776 and is concerned only with things that happened in North America between Canada and Mexico (some of those folks know which is which but aren't too sure which it so the north of the US and which is to the South [and would likely get it wrong if you showed them

​

THIS map of North America ).

 

[Carl Young]

Lol I actually started to suggest in my previous post that's the video you were using as your guide. And here it is!

Would you rather it not be shown?

 

[Carl Young]

I guess that means yes, you will tell any lie to defend the ex president.
Damn it, we saw the video footage and we know. You are not fooling anyone with your lousy excuses and invented lies. I don't care what you want to call it or what you don't want to call it. It was unAmerican, anti-democratic, it was pitiful, disgusting, repulsive and based on trump's lies.
Besides, the conspiracty pleas hae begun

Prosecutors Get Their 1st Guilty Plea In The Jan. 6 Oath Keepers Conspiracy Case

The conspiracy case involving the Oath Keepers extremist group is one of the most closely watched of those related to the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.

www.npr.org

Did you read the article all the way through? The guy never even entered the building. Instead, like "Hate Speech", "Climate Change" and "Conspiracy", it can mean anything you want it to mean.

 

[soap box]

Your emotionally ladden, subjective opinion so noted.

Correct. Nor was there ever any attempt to do so in pointing out the actual charges which federal prosecutors DID file and why.

(BTW: It appears the political left thinks it can, with all the statue removing, school renaming, and book banning. )

Stop lying to defend the ex president

 

[soap box]

Did you read the article all the way through? The guy never even entered the building. Instead, like "Hate Speech", "Climate Change" and "Conspiracy", it can mean anything you want it to mean.

Stop lying to defend the ex president