Jan 6th - So What

[grip]

Senate Republicans block legislation to create Jan. 6 commission

By a vote of 54-35, a bill to create a bipartisan commission to investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol was blocked. Though six Republicans joined Democrats to vote for the bill, 35 Republicans voted against it and stopped it from reaching the 60-vote threshold to pass.

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It was a loosely organized mob of right-wing, fringe idiots. It was not a well organized gov takeover. It was meant to be a demonstration that got out of hand. Did Trump spur it on with his claim of voting fraud, yes. But was he directly connected to an insurrection, most likely not. Sure a political appointee was charged, but that's still a long way from proving the President was giving orders that led to the violence.

Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, and Gen. Michael Flynn all participated in efforts to promote the Jan. 6 "Stop the Steal" event, which ultimately resulted in Trump's second Impeachment. And unless there's further evidence that there's more to it, this is where it should end.

Why waste the time and effort on another useless commission to score political points and further deepen partisan animosity? All this conspiracy driven paranoia by the Media is becoming pure stupid now. It doesn't sway moderate, swing voters to encourage damaging the GOP/Trump brand further with unsubstantiated accusations, it only gives them more support from the middle and base.

I don't like him either but let him fall into obscurity, rather than continuously bleat on and on about his tenure. Put a fork in Trump, he's done.

Biden is doing great, so it's time to focus all this energy on supporting his agenda, particularly HR1.

I'm out...

 

[Phys251]

Senate Republicans block legislation to create Jan. 6 commission

By a vote of 54-35, a bill to create a bipartisan commission to investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol was blocked. Though six Republicans joined Democrats to vote for the bill, 35 Republicans voted against it and stopped it from reaching the 60-vote threshold to pass.

news.yahoo.com

It was a loosely organized mob of right-wing, fringe idiots. It was not a well organized gov takeover. It was meant to be a demonstration that got out of hand. Did Trump spur it on with his claim of voting fraud, yes. But was he directly connected to an insurrection, most likely not. Sure a political appointee was charged, but that's still a long way from proving the President was giving orders that led to the violence.

Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, and Gen. Michael Flynn all participated in efforts to promote the Jan. 6 "Stop the Steal" event, which ultimately resulted in Trump's second Impeachment. And unless there's further evidence that there's more to it, this is where it should end.

Why waste the time and effort on another useless commission to score political points and further deepen partisan animosity? All this conspiracy driven paranoia by the Media is becoming pure stupid now. It doesn't sway moderate, swing voters to encourage damaging the GOP/Trump brand further with unsubstantiated accusations, it only gives them more support from the middle and base.

I don't like him either but let him fall into obscurity, rather than continuously bleat on and on about his tenure. Put a fork in Trump, he's done.

Biden is doing great, so it's time to focus all this energy on supporting his agenda, particularly HR1.

I'm out...

The day after 1/06, I said this:

It's time to take a stand on the attack at the US Capitol

January 6, 2021. A day which will live in infamy. Incited by the outgoing president and a web of internet lies and conspiracy theories, a bunch of thugs stormed the US Capitol for the first time since 1814. Four people have died so far. This was not just a protest that got out of hand. What...

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I stand by every word of it.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Senate Republicans block legislation to create Jan. 6 commission

By a vote of 54-35, a bill to create a bipartisan commission to investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol was blocked. Though six Republicans joined Democrats to vote for the bill, 35 Republicans voted against it and stopped it from reaching the 60-vote threshold to pass.

news.yahoo.com

It was a loosely organized mob of right-wing, fringe idiots. It was not a well organized gov takeover. It was meant to be a demonstration that got out of hand. Did Trump spur it on with his claim of voting fraud, yes. But was he directly connected to an insurrection, most likely not. Sure a political appointee was charged, but that's still a long way from proving the President was giving orders that led to the violence.

Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, and Gen. Michael Flynn all participated in efforts to promote the Jan. 6 "Stop the Steal" event, which ultimately resulted in Trump's second Impeachment. And unless there's further evidence that there's more to it, this is where it should end.

Why waste the time and effort on another useless commission to score political points and further deepen partisan animosity? All this conspiracy driven paranoia by the Media is becoming pure stupid now. It doesn't sway moderate, swing voters to encourage damaging the GOP/Trump brand further with unsubstantiated accusations, it only gives them more support from the middle and base.

I don't like him either but let him fall into obscurity, rather than continuously bleat on and on about his tenure. Put a fork in Trump, he's done.

Biden is doing great, so it's time to focus all this energy on supporting his agenda, particularly HR1.

I'm out...

I bet Germans said the same about Hitler's attempted coup. It turned out that arresting Hitler was a good start but nowhere near enough to save the country.

 

[Phys251]

Senate Republicans block legislation to create Jan. 6 commission

By a vote of 54-35, a bill to create a bipartisan commission to investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol was blocked. Though six Republicans joined Democrats to vote for the bill, 35 Republicans voted against it and stopped it from reaching the 60-vote threshold to pass.

news.yahoo.com

It was a loosely organized mob of right-wing, fringe idiots. It was not a well organized gov takeover. It was meant to be a demonstration that got out of hand. Did Trump spur it on with his claim of voting fraud, yes. But was he directly connected to an insurrection, most likely not. Sure a political appointee was charged, but that's still a long way from proving the President was giving orders that led to the violence.

Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, and Gen. Michael Flynn all participated in efforts to promote the Jan. 6 "Stop the Steal" event, which ultimately resulted in Trump's second Impeachment. And unless there's further evidence that there's more to it, this is where it should end.

Why waste the time and effort on another useless commission to score political points and further deepen partisan animosity? All this conspiracy driven paranoia by the Media is becoming pure stupid now. It doesn't sway moderate, swing voters to encourage damaging the GOP/Trump brand further with unsubstantiated accusations, it only gives them more support from the middle and base.

I don't like him either but let him fall into obscurity, rather than continuously bleat on and on about his tenure. Put a fork in Trump, he's done.

Biden is doing great, so it's time to focus all this energy on supporting his agenda, particularly HR1.

I'm out...

Also, while we're on the subject of 1/06:

If you support or downplay the 1/06 attacks, do not observe Memorial Day.

Do not support or condone the worst assault against American democracy since the Civil War with one side of your mouth and then, with the other side of your mouth, honor those who fell to protect it. Do not shoot off fireworks in praise of a nation that you clearly have no respect for. Do not...

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[grip]

The day after 1/06, I said this:

It's time to take a stand on the attack at the US Capitol

January 6, 2021. A day which will live in infamy. Incited by the outgoing president and a web of internet lies and conspiracy theories, a bunch of thugs stormed the US Capitol for the first time since 1814. Four people have died so far. This was not just a protest that got out of hand. What...

debatepolitics.com

I stand by every word of it.

Proof would be nice.

 

[Demon]

Proof would be nice.

Isn't that what an investigation is for?

 

[grip]

Isn't that what an investigation is for?

You don't believe it's been investigated enough yet?

 

[ecofarm]

Loosely organized? They were led by the President of the US and were acting on his words in real-time.

 

[Demon]

You don't believe it's been investigated enough yet?

I don't know what's going on with the FBI, etc. But there were reports of some congress members giving tours to some of the insurrectionist. So no, I don't think its been investigated enough yet. Even McConnell & McCarthy seemed to want to get to the bottom of it. Until they didn't.

 

[ecofarm]

Six investigations of Benghazi were not enough but zero investigations of Jan 6th are enough. They're hiding stuff. What kind of an idiot doesn't see that.

 

[Mycroft]

Senate Republicans block legislation to create Jan. 6 commission

By a vote of 54-35, a bill to create a bipartisan commission to investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol was blocked. Though six Republicans joined Democrats to vote for the bill, 35 Republicans voted against it and stopped it from reaching the 60-vote threshold to pass.

news.yahoo.com

It was a loosely organized mob of right-wing, fringe idiots. It was not a well organized gov takeover. It was meant to be a demonstration that got out of hand. Did Trump spur it on with his claim of voting fraud, yes. But was he directly connected to an insurrection, most likely not. Sure a political appointee was charged, but that's still a long way from proving the President was giving orders that led to the violence.

Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, and Gen. Michael Flynn all participated in efforts to promote the Jan. 6 "Stop the Steal" event, which ultimately resulted in Trump's second Impeachment. And unless there's further evidence that there's more to it, this is where it should end.

Why waste the time and effort on another useless commission to score political points and further deepen partisan animosity? All this conspiracy driven paranoia by the Media is becoming pure stupid now. It doesn't sway moderate, swing voters to encourage damaging the GOP/Trump brand further with unsubstantiated accusations, it only gives them more support from the middle and base.

I don't like him either but let him fall into obscurity, rather than continuously bleat on and on about his tenure. Put a fork in Trump, he's done.

Biden is doing great, so it's time to focus all this energy on supporting his agenda, particularly HR1.

I'm out...

The problem for the Dems is that Trump is NOT "done"...and they know it. So they NEED to keep this 6th nonsense alive. They are trying as hard as they can and they won't stop.

 

[Bullseye]

Senate Republicans block legislation to create Jan. 6 commission

By a vote of 54-35, a bill to create a bipartisan commission to investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol was blocked. Though six Republicans joined Democrats to vote for the bill, 35 Republicans voted against it and stopped it from reaching the 60-vote threshold to pass.

news.yahoo.com

It was a loosely organized mob of right-wing, fringe idiots. It was not a well organized gov takeover. It was meant to be a demonstration that got out of hand. Did Trump spur it on with his claim of voting fraud, yes. But was he directly connected to an insurrection, most likely not. Sure a political appointee was charged, but that's still a long way from proving the President was giving orders that led to the violence.

Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, and Gen. Michael Flynn all participated in efforts to promote the Jan. 6 "Stop the Steal" event, which ultimately resulted in Trump's second Impeachment. And unless there's further evidence that there's more to it, this is where it should end.

Why waste the time and effort on another useless commission to score political points and further deepen partisan animosity? All this conspiracy driven paranoia by the Media is becoming pure stupid now. It doesn't sway moderate, swing voters to encourage damaging the GOP/Trump brand further with unsubstantiated accusations, it only gives them more support from the middle and base.

I don't like him either but let him fall into obscurity, rather than continuously bleat on and on about his tenure. Put a fork in Trump, he's done.

Biden is doing great, so it's time to focus all this energy on supporting his agenda, particularly HR1.

I'm out...

With the exception of “Biden is doing great” and “Trump’s done” you make a lot of sense. IF “1/6” needs to be investigated then so does Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis” and dozens of other uprisings.

 

[ecofarm]

With the exception of “Biden is doing great” and “Trump’s done” you make a lot of sense. IF “1/6” needs to be investigated then so does Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis” and dozens of other uprisings.

"uprisings"

That says it all, doesn't it.

 

[Craig234]

OP's argument is that we don't know for sure just who all was behind what, what coordination there was, what trump's full role was - and so, those are reasons not to have an investigation to answer those questions.

I suggest we adopt his logic, and end all investigation of all crimes in the name of avoiding divisiveness. There should be no accountability for insurrection; that's PARTISAN and let's call those who want the truth to come out PARANOID for good measure. trump is only dominating the Republican Party, but unlikely to be president again, so let's forget the whole insurrection. Quality commentary.

 

[itstony]

There was nothing loosely organized about it. He assembled that crowd on the day the election was being certified and sent them there to disrupt democracy in his favor after unsuccessfully ordering his VP to break the law and stop the process. This was on Trump, pure and simple and I don't give him a pass because he said "go peacefully" after firing them up and telling them they had to fight and be strong. This was an act of treason and he should be in jail except for a handful of spineless GOP senators. Anyone one who blows this off as being anything less is no patriot in my book.

 

[Nickyjo]

Senate Republicans block legislation to create Jan. 6 commission

By a vote of 54-35, a bill to create a bipartisan commission to investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol was blocked. Though six Republicans joined Democrats to vote for the bill, 35 Republicans voted against it and stopped it from reaching the 60-vote threshold to pass.

news.yahoo.com

It was a loosely organized mob of right-wing, fringe idiots. It was not a well organized gov takeover. It was meant to be a demonstration that got out of hand. Did Trump spur it on with his claim of voting fraud, yes. But was he directly connected to an insurrection, most likely not. Sure a political appointee was charged, but that's still a long way from proving the President was giving orders that led to the violence.

Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, and Gen. Michael Flynn all participated in efforts to promote the Jan. 6 "Stop the Steal" event, which ultimately resulted in Trump's second Impeachment. And unless there's further evidence that there's more to it, this is where it should end.

Why waste the time and effort on another useless commission to score political points and further deepen partisan animosity? All this conspiracy driven paranoia by the Media is becoming pure stupid now. It doesn't sway moderate, swing voters to encourage damaging the GOP/Trump brand further with unsubstantiated accusations, it only gives them more support from the middle and base.

I don't like him either but let him fall into obscurity, rather than continuously bleat on and on about his tenure. Put a fork in Trump, he's done.

Biden is doing great, so it's time to focus all this energy on supporting his agenda, particularly HR1.

I'm out...

Hard to disagree with much of your analysis, but what we are left with will be committee hearings that will be attacked as partisan. What I would like to find out is just how "loosely organized" the mob was, what prompted people to prepare and/or bring with them the various weapons and tools like bear spray they carried, what, if any, plans they had to do damage to Pence or Pelosi, etc. After the urban riots of the mid-1960s, we all knew what sparked them, specific incidents between cops and black citizens, but we learned more of the despair and hopelessness that gave rise to so much seeming senseless violence thanks to the Kerner Commission. I want to know what beefs with society the January 6 rioters held - what despair and hopelessness they felt, if you will - to have made them take such extreme actions, and what policy implications, other than security ones, might be suggested to address them.

 

[grip]

I don't know what's going on with the FBI, etc. But there were reports of some congress members giving tours to some of the insurrectionist. So no, I don't think its been investigated enough yet. Even McConnell & McCarthy seemed to want to get to the bottom of it. Until they didn't.

McConnell was against the actual Capitol riot and its supporters but is against the Dems turning it into an endless political football. Benghazi was a ridiculous situation that doesn't need to be repeated.

Everybody is missing the point of the OP. That politics needs to stop being a win-at-all-cost blood sport, regardless of your lean.

 

[Destroy Trumpism]

Senate Republicans block legislation to create Jan. 6 commission

By a vote of 54-35, a bill to create a bipartisan commission to investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol was blocked. Though six Republicans joined Democrats to vote for the bill, 35 Republicans voted against it and stopped it from reaching the 60-vote threshold to pass.

news.yahoo.com

It was a loosely organized mob of right-wing, fringe idiots. It was not a well organized gov takeover. It was meant to be a demonstration that got out of hand. Did Trump spur it on with his claim of voting fraud, yes. But was he directly connected to an insurrection, most likely not. Sure a political appointee was charged, but that's still a long way from proving the President was giving orders that led to the violence.

Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, and Gen. Michael Flynn all participated in efforts to promote the Jan. 6 "Stop the Steal" event, which ultimately resulted in Trump's second Impeachment. And unless there's further evidence that there's more to it, this is where it should end.

Why waste the time and effort on another useless commission to score political points and further deepen partisan animosity? All this conspiracy driven paranoia by the Media is becoming pure stupid now. It doesn't sway moderate, swing voters to encourage damaging the GOP/Trump brand further with unsubstantiated accusations, it only gives them more support from the middle and base.

I don't like him either but let him fall into obscurity, rather than continuously bleat on and on about his tenure. Put a fork in Trump, he's done.

Biden is doing great, so it's time to focus all this energy on supporting his agenda, particularly HR1.

I'm out...

Not a well thought-out post.

It doesn't matter how organized the mob was. Some of them were there to kill members of Congress. You should not take that lightly. They were there to stop the electoral vote count. This was an attack on our democracy. Stop trying to downplay it.

Furthermore, you completely ignored an equally disturbing aspect of Jan 6 -- The fact that 147 Republican traitors in Congress voted to overturn the election results in Pennsylvania, with NO EVIDENCE of voter fraud. This is a very bad omen for future elections in this country.

If the Democratic Party makes political hay out of what happened on Jan 6, so what? I don't blame them. The Democrats should take every opportunity to remind voters how dangerous the Republican Party has become. That's what the seditious Republican Party deserves for what happened.

The Trump Cult Republican Party are traitors and they should NEVER hold power in this country again.

 

[Bullseye]

"uprisings"

That says it all, doesn't it.

Your point?

 

[grip]

Not a well thought-out post.

It doesn't matter how organized the mob was. Some of them were there to kill members of Congress. You should not take that lightly. They were there to stop the electoral vote count. This was an attack on our democracy. Stop trying to downplay it.

Furthermore, you completely ignored an equally disturbing aspect of Jan 6 -- The fact that 147 Republican traitors in Congress voted to overturn the election results in Pennsylvania, with NO EVIDENCE of voter fraud. This is a very bad omen for future elections in this country.

If the Democratic Party makes political hay out of what happened on Jan 6, so what? I don't blame them. The Democrats should take every opportunity to remind voters how dangerous the Republican Party has become. That's what the seditious Republican Party deserves for what happened.

The Trump Cult Republican Party are traitors and they should NEVER hold power in this country again.

I see a lot of rhetoric, now where's the proof?

 

[Helix]

they probably cemented their status as supporting the insurrection more by blocking the investigation than congress could have done by holding the hearings. use this to pass HR1.

 

[ecofarm]

Your point?

Jan 6 was not an "uprising". It was a mob led and directed in real-time by the President of the US.

 

[Demon]

McConnell was against the actual Capitol riot and its supporters but is against the Dems turning it into an endless political football. Benghazi was a ridiculous situation that doesn't need to be repeated.

Everybody is missing the point of the OP. That politics needs to stop being a win-at-all-cost blood sport, regardless of your lean.

This was a group of people that broke into the capitol to stop the certification of an election. Quite possibly aided by members of congress. Certainly encouraged by some members of congress as well as Trump. This needs to be investigated until we know the truth.

I don't disagree about political footballs, but this is not something that can be ignored.

 

[Subieguy]

The problem for the Dems is that Trump is NOT "done"...and they know it. So they NEED to keep this 6th nonsense alive. They are trying as hard as they can and they won't stop.

"nonsense"???? Pretty telling. Try to imagine for one moment if it had been the mob had been left wing. I can hear your outrage! OOOPS!

 

[Subieguy]

This was a group of people that broke into the capitol to stop the certification of an election. Quite possibly aided by members of congress. Certainly encouraged by some members of congress as well as Trump. This needs to be investigated until we know the truth.

I don't disagree about political footballs, but this is not something that can be ignored.

agreed. But the hard right tries. Just ask their Senate leaders.