Compatibilist
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Of course we wouldn't.
If a grown black man had gunned down a white kid walking home with a can of soda and a box of candy the black man would already be sitting on death row quietly working on his first appeal with his public defender well out of the public spotlight.
Yes, we would. The real issue here is SYG law. Racism and race baiting are just side attractions for those not interested in the SYG implications. IF Z is convicted, I expect the case to be used to indict SYG law (at least, specific protocols therein). As SYG laws sweep across the country and become commonplace, the opposition will take the fight to the courtrooms and attempt to bring down the laws by chipping away at provisions provided within the laws.
I remember when this first happened and the media was showing pictures of this cute little kid (Trayvon) and this mean-looking Zimmerman. Weren't the first pictures released of Trayvon when he was 12 or 13 instead of 17? The media and sheeple immediately convicted the "white Hispanic" Zimmerman.
If it was the other way around and it was a WHITE 17 year old with a hoodie who was shot, there's no way in hell the media would've leeched onto it and created such a mob of hoodie-wearing sheeple who had already convicted the mean-looking black man.
I remember when this first happened and the media was showing pictures of this cute little kid (Trayvon) and this mean-looking Zimmerman. Weren't the first pictures released of Trayvon when he was 12 or 13 instead of 17? The media and sheeple immediately convicted the "white Hispanic" Zimmerman.
They used Zimmerman's mug shot with the orange prison jumpers on... It was ridiculous
Sorry, but no we wouldn't. It was because the victim was black, all the progressives like Sharpton got on their high horse and forced FL to charge Zimmerman. You might find SYG the more interesting angle--even though SYG doesn't even apply in this case and it is classical Self-defense--but that does not change the history of how this case ended up in the national spotlight. I was hoping there would be a lot of discussion about gated communities, but nope, so I don't make an effort to follow the story--I just pick up what I pick up osmotically from the media reports.
Yes, we would. The real issue here is SYG law. Racism and race baiting are just side attractions for those not interested in the SYG implications. IF Z is convicted, I expect the case to be used to indict SYG law (at least, specific protocols therein). As SYG laws sweep across the country and become commonplace, the opposition will take the fight to the courtrooms and attempt to bring down the laws by chipping away at provisions provided within the laws.
Don't have a problem with carrying or SYGZ per se.
But the way the laws written in FL, a guy with a gun gets to kick your ass. If you successfully defend yourself, he gets to shoot you and say he was scared.
SYG law should bias towards the unarmed and against aggressors.
So we don't have **** like this.
And that's just not right.
What a ridiculous post.Don't have a problem with carrying or SYGZ per se.
But the way the laws written in FL, a guy with a gun gets to kick your ass. If you successfully defend yourself, he gets to shoot you and say he was scared.
SYG law should bias towards the unarmed and against aggressors.
So we don't have **** like this.
And that's just not right.
What a ridiculous post.
It doesn't say that at all.
No it does not.It absolutely does.
More absurdity. You keep forgetting what the law states about a reasonable belief of great bodily harm and or imminent death. It is not present in your absurd claims.You can jump on me six times and I let you up, it all good, if you jump on me again and I don't let you up you get to shoot me.
No it shouldn't. Especially if the evidence doesn't support it.If you shoot an unarmed person and there's no one around to see a positive defense should kick in
Not, "well, we don't have any evidence to counter your claim. Oh well" doesn't cut it.
:dohBut you can just shoot somebody, whack your head, smack their hands on the ground a couple times and claim self defense and if a cursory examination doesn't produce evidence to the contrary, you walk.
No it doesn't.I guess that FL self defense, not syg, but it still gives an aggressor with a gun a significant legal advantage against his unarmed aggressee.
Don't have a problem with carrying or SYGZ per se.
But the way the laws written in FL, a guy with a gun gets to kick your ass. If you successfully defend yourself, he gets to shoot you and say he was scared.
SYG law should bias towards the unarmed and against aggressors.
So we don't have **** like this.
And that's just not right.
Your'e being dishonest with that post .
A guy with a gun was getting his ass kicked, he was overpowered and without the gun there was no stopping Martin from turning the ass kicking into a homicide.
We have the same thing in Texas. Go join a Karate School if you want to fight.
If you think your'e entitled to be the arbiter of life and death because your'e stronger and faster, in a society that allows Conceal carry, youv'e got another thing coming.
Yes, we would. The real issue here is SYG law. Racism and race baiting are just side attractions for those not interested in the SYG implications. IF Z is convicted, I expect the case to be used to indict SYG law (at least, specific protocols therein). As SYG laws sweep across the country and become commonplace, the opposition will take the fight to the courtrooms and attempt to bring down the laws by chipping away at provisions provided within the laws.
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