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All this "Living wage" crap says to me really is "We shouldn't have to make smart choices, we should get what we want!"
What we need to have is a family wage. A man should be able to make enough money to support his wife and kids without welfare and without his wife working. And married men, particularly married fathers, should get paid more than single people.
P.S. Your criticisms of the people supporting the increase, while perhaps accurate in many cases, are ad hominem fallacies.
All this hoopla over "$15.00/hr LIVING WAGE!!!" and "Business will quit hiring!!" and "Just get more skills get paid more!!" it all misses the point. It's not about the wage. Not really.
It's about the choices made with the money you have. You can't live off 8.50 an hour? Why? 12.50 an hour? Why? What are your life choices and priorities that made such an amount "unlivable?"
Stop, before you say anything about it's not fair poor people can't... SHUT IT. That line holds no weight with me. LIFE, isn't fair, deal with it.
Now, back to my point, you can in fact survive off 8.50 an hour, 10, 12, 14 an hour. You can make this work for you. But you have to make smart choices, yes you will end up making some sacrifices but that, that is life. All this "Living wage" crap says to me really is "We shouldn't have to make smart choices, we should get what we want!" To which all those talking about the costs to businesses are making the wrong points:
"Great, you claim you need $15/hr because you just can't live off current min-wage. Is there some magical property about a few more dollars that's going to make you suddenly moneywise, sacrifice to achieve your wants and live a better life? Or will you just increase the amount of bad choices and now that you've gotten more you'll instead of making right choices just demand more and more...?"
Cause really, that's what this is about, responsibility. 15hr is a nice income, I won't lie. But is it the income that's the problem or the choices and priorities that are the true problem?
You cant live off $8.50/hr but youre not supposed to. Minimum wage jobs are for students, 2nd income earners and retirees they are not a career
You cant live off $8.50/hr but youre not supposed to. Minimum wage jobs are for students, 2nd income earners and retirees they are not a career
Cause really, that's what this is about, responsibility. 15hr is a nice income, I won't lie. But is it the income that's the problem or the choices and priorities that are the true problem?
All this hoopla over "$15.00/hr LIVING WAGE!!!" and "Business will quit hiring!!" and "Just get more skills get paid more!!" it all misses the point. It's not about the wage. Not really.
It's about the choices made with the money you have. You can't live off 8.50 an hour? Why? 12.50 an hour? Why? What are your life choices and priorities that made such an amount "unlivable?"
Stop, before you say anything about it's not fair poor people can't... SHUT IT. That line holds no weight with me. LIFE, isn't fair, deal with it.
Now, back to my point, you can in fact survive off 8.50 an hour, 10, 12, 14 an hour. You can make this work for you. But you have to make smart choices, yes you will end up making some sacrifices but that, that is life. All this "Living wage" crap says to me really is "We shouldn't have to make smart choices, we should get what we want!" To which all those talking about the costs to businesses are making the wrong points:
"Great, you claim you need $15/hr because you just can't live off current min-wage. Is there some magical property about a few more dollars that's going to make you suddenly moneywise, sacrifice to achieve your wants and live a better life? Or will you just increase the amount of bad choices and now that you've gotten more you'll instead of making right choices just demand more and more...?"
Cause really, that's what this is about, responsibility. 15hr is a nice income, I won't lie. But is it the income that's the problem or the choices and priorities that are the true problem?
I know a LOT of people that live off $8-$10 an hour wages..
What we need to have is a family wage. A man should be able to make enough money to support his wife and kids without welfare and without his wife working. And married men, particularly married fathers, should get paid more than single people.
P.S. Your criticisms of the people supporting the increase, while perhaps accurate in many cases, are ad hominem fallacies.
If the min wage kept up with the CPI it would be almost $11 and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
lol...then I should be getting paid $400 an hour or more.
Going by the CPI BS you cited.Why??
Oh, and you want the government to provide that wage I suspect
I think raising the min wage to $15 hurts the people that have earned high wages..
Say dude worked his ass off for 8 years at the same place to get raises up to $15 an hour, now you increase everyone to 15 and is this guy going to get a corresponding raise to reflect the value of his work? No way.. The company is going to be too broke paying all the less valuable employees 15 to give the guy that deserves it a raise above min wage where he should be..
Really?
All men?
No matter what decisions they have made in their lives?
So if they quit school at 15, and spent the last 5 years playing video games and living off mom and dad....but now they get a girl pregnant, suddenly they are worthy of a job that pays for their family? With no skills and no education?
Choices....we make lots of them in life. Good ones and bad ones. And then we have to live with the consequences of those choices. That doesn't mean you can't improve your situation, but don't expect me as a businessman to pay for your mistakes.
I didn't make them....you did.
What we need to have is a family wage. A man should be able to make enough money to support his wife and kids without welfare and without his wife working. And married men, particularly married fathers, should get paid more than single people.
P.S. Your criticisms of the people supporting the increase, while perhaps accurate in many cases, are ad hominem fallacies.
There's a saying about assuming.
But no, I want employees to pay their employees fitting wages.
How much another man makes is materially irrelevant to whether or not your (the general your) wage is just.
I'm assuming in your hypothetical that this guy marries the girl? Otherwise he's completely aside from what I'm talking about.
In that case, yes he should be able to make enough money(from an unskilled job, say manual work) to support his family. That's not to say that his behavior was ok or anything like that, nor is it to say he should make the same as a skilled worker with a family.
What we need to have is a family wage. A man should be able to make enough money to support his wife and kids without welfare and without his wife working. And married men, particularly married fathers, should get paid more than single people.
P.S. Your criticisms of the people supporting the increase, while perhaps accurate in many cases, are ad hominem fallacies.
Going by the CPI BS you cited.
If that is the case, as a business owner, I would never hire a family man with kids. Period.
Why is the employer responsible to pay for his decisions?
How much should single mothers make?
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