'It's a Killing Field': IDF Soldiers Ordered to Shoot Deliberately at Unarmed Gazans Waiting for Humanitarian Aid

[What if...?]

Do you ever make a post that makes sense?

Do you do any proofreading at all before you hit “post reply”?

 

[bomberfox]

They sure are making room for settlers who have become several times more emboldened in harassing their neighbors.

 

[bythoughts]

I think you as just making excuses for a lying source because you like the story they are trying you push.

I read about the same situation in CNN weeks ago.

When you hold Israel to unrealistic standard and refuse to put the blame on Hamas where it belongs it shows that your real problem is with the Jews.

The realistic standard is you throw food out airplanes, send boats to drop it on sure, let people drive trucks through, deluge the area with so much food that Hamas can't and doesn't have to steal or stockpile it all, because realistically you should not be somebody with a far darker heart than Shakespeare's Shylock character. You should not hold a grudge that goes beyond some enemy or individual, but to attack innocent people, even kids, starving to death in the hundreds of thousands. According to the international experts, the situation in Israel is worse than the others - worse than Yemen, worse than South Sudan! 22% were at IPC Level 5 in May ... there's no stage after that but a mass grave! If you run the numbers, the price of food in Gaza is literally on a level with the famine from the Book of Revelations. How's that for realistic?

 

[What if...?]

Indeed, and the only people who blindly believe this type of nonsense are those who want to believe it because to them the only interest in the conflict is dead Jews.

You do know that repeating something ad nauseum only makes the gullible start to believe it, right?

It doesn’t make it true.

You still haven’t explained how criticism of the actions of a state are hatred of its people for who they are.

Can you come up with one other state in history that gets away with that?

We criticize Russia all the time. I have never heard anybody declare that “Antislavism”.

I do know that Israel relies heavily on persuasive messaging. Which does require denial of any counter information lest the artificial construct come apart at the seams.

My wife went to birthright. Where they had a chance encounter with young attractive IDF soldiers who had answers to all of their questions.

She got really pissed when she found out that every birthright groups has a chance encounter with the same young attractive IDF soldiers who had the same answers to all of their questions.

 

[Apocalypse]

You do know that repeating something ad nauseum only makes the gullible start to believe it, right?

It doesn’t make it true.

You still haven’t explained how criticism of the actions of a state are hatred of its people for who they are.

Can you come up with one other state in history that gets away with that?

We criticize Russia all the time. I have never heard anybody declare that “Antislavism”.

I do know that Israel relies heavily on persuasive messaging. Which does require denial of any counter information lest the artificial construct come apart at the seams.

My wife went to birthright. Where they had a chance encounter with young attractive IDF soldiers who had answers to all of their questions.

She got really pissed when she found out that every birthright groups has a chance encounter with the same young attractive IDF soldiers who had the same answers to all of their questions.

Why are you telling me this story every single time? Are you forgetting you're telling it every time, or is it part of the script? Your clear pettiness aside in basing your hatred for a nation and its people on what you claim happened and what you claim you understand from it, criticism of specific Israeli policies of specific Israeli governments isn't different from criticism of specific US actions of specific US administrations and I've never claimed otherwise, that's your injection.

 

[CLAX1911]

Do you do any proofreading at all before you hit “post reply”?

Generally no.

 

[CLAX1911]

Well, at least you're honest about your ignorance.

Ignorance of bullshit isn't ignorance

 

[bomberfox]

Its a settler colonial project that has been exacerbated by continuing settlements and this settler movement. Lots of Palestinians that live in the west bank have families that used to live in what is now Israel. The west bank palestinians are continually tormented by illegal settlers.

Before october 7th palestinians in the weat bank always had to get permission from Israel to build anything. That is why lots of people are languishing there. IDF soldiers usually just stand there which is why Moshe Sharvit is able to attack palestinians on a daily basis.

The IDF drive away peace activists so settlers like Moshe Sharvit can continue to terrorize people in the west bank. Palestine must be free. The west must bring the israeli leadership to the hague and try them like nazis.

This is ethnic cleansing

 

[Contumacious]

Why are you telling me this story every single time? Are you forgetting you're telling it every time, or is it part of the script? Your clear pettiness aside in basing your hatred for a nation and its people on what you claim happened and what you claim you understand from it, criticism of specific Israeli policies of specific Israeli governments isn't different from criticism of specific US actions of specific US administrations and I've never claimed otherwise, that's your injection.

THE ASS-k-NAZI ZIONIST ENTITY HAS NO RIGHT TO EXIST IN PALESTINE - NOR DOES IT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF IN PALESTINE

 

[What if...?]

Why are you telling me this story every single time? Are you forgetting you're telling it every time, or is it part of the script? Your clear pettiness aside in basing your hatred for a nation and its people on what you claim happened and what you claim you understand from it, criticism of specific Israeli policies of specific Israeli governments isn't different from criticism of specific US actions of specific US administrations and I've never claimed otherwise, that's your injection.

There’s that “hatred of its people” canard again. Which is just another way of calling me an antisemite. You are aware that not all Jews or Israelis support anything and everything Israel does.

Maybe I’m repeating so that you’ll come up with some actual counter instead of yelling antisemite! And declaring victory. Further, you have heard the story before, but never offered any explanation for the deliberate deception it describes.

Just said I hate Jews, again.

 

[Apocalypse]

Further, you have heard the story before, but never offered any explanation for the deliberate deception it describes.

I don't have to offer an explanation for what is your story, meaning I am not part of it.
You're free to be a petty person and decide to hate a nation based on what was your experience whatever it was, but to me it sounds very stupid.
As to antisemitism, you know what it is, I know what it is, I'm not down with playing coy.

 

[What if...?]

I don't have to offer an explanation for what is your story, meaning I am not part of it.
You're free to be a petty person and decide to hate a nation based on what was your experience whatever it was, but to me it sounds very stupid.
As to antisemitism, you know what it is, I know what it is, I'm not down with playing coy.

Israel lies. They have to. At least to attain the goal of a permanent Jewish majority state in Eretz Israel.

Frankly I think the whole idea of giving people a state out of sympathy was dumb. And turning a blind eye to how that is being done has not done a damn thing o help the situation.

The problem is that we are given a victim narrative while making actual victims villains in that narrative.

 

[Pyrite]

I don't have to offer an explanation for what is your story, meaning I am not part of it.
You're free to be a petty person and decide to hate a nation based on what was your experience whatever it was, but to me it sounds very stupid.
As to antisemitism, you know what it is, I know what it is, I'm not down with playing coy.

Insulting posters who bring unwanted attention to actions taken by the IDF on behalf of the Netanyahu Government accomplishes nothing.

 

[bomberfox]

Israel lies. They have to. At least to attain the goal of a permanent Jewish majority state in Eretz Israel.

Frankly I think the whole idea of giving people a state out of sympathy was dumb. And turning a blind eye to how that is being done has not done a damn thing o help the situation.

The problem is that we are given a victim narrative while making actual victims villains in that narrative.

Nah the problem was and is always colonialism. It wasnt do much sympathy in the beginning in the 20s, it was the european colonialist project in the region and transferring that project so they wouldnt have to keep sending boots on the ground.

 

[georgephillip]

Its been a constant displacement. Settlers are continuing the violent displacement of palestinians.

Google AI overview claim approximately 60,000 American Jews live in West Bank settlements. Since the continuous expansion of these illegal enclaves is seen as one of the major impediments to a peaceful resolution of the conflict, it appears many Jews inside and outside of Israel do not want less violence.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/15/biden-extremist-jewish-settlers-travel-ban-loophole

"Washington’s ban on travel to the US by extremist Jewish settlers who attack Palestinians in the West Bank has one gaping loophole.

"American citizens have been at the forefront of the rise of settler violence in the occupied territories, and the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their land, but as US passport holders they cannot be barred from their own country."

 

[bythoughts]

Google AI overview claim approximately 60,000 American Jews live in West Bank settlements. Since the continuous expansion of these illegal enclaves is seen as one of the major impediments to a peaceful resolution of the conflict, it appears many Jews inside and outside of Israel do not want less violence.

While I think there are still many good Israelis who would like to do better, the country does not seem, as a whole, to have a plausible chance to restore a peaceful coexistence of any sort. I think the two-state solution is fantasy, because they'll never let the Palestinians control their own borders and actions. And I think all the other solutions are fantasy also. Except, I think, for one idea which everybody but me apparently thinks is crazy, but which I think could actually work.

Whatever happens, we should not be like the people who kept looking for solutions for the Jews inside the borders of Germany. The writing is on the wall - these people have to be evacuated to safety, however it happens.

 

[Ahlevah]

Haaretz is left biased in story selection, but also highly factual in their reporting. They have not failed a single fact-check in the last 5 years. Far better source than the usual trash sources that get called out here.

Haaretz - Bias and Credibility

LEFT BIAS These media sources are moderate to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Wherever the path of truth leads is where all should follow, no matter how dark and foreboding the forest becomes. If soldiers made this claim, saying there was no threat, then it should be examined and not simply dismissed as a “blood libel.”

 

[What if...?]

While I think there are still many good Israelis who would like to do better, the country does not seem, as a whole, to have a plausible chance to restore a peaceful coexistence of any sort. I think the two-state solution is fantasy, because they'll never let the Palestinians control their own borders and actions. And I think all the other solutions are fantasy also. Except, I think, for one idea which everybody but me apparently thinks is crazy, but which I think could actually work.

Whatever happens, we should not be like the people who kept looking for solutions for the Jews inside the borders of Germany. The writing is on the wall - these people have to be evacuated to safety, however it happens.

It has always been the plan to evict the original residents and their descendants. It was never considered to have a state where Jews and Arabs live together in peace. No way to maintain a permanent Jewish majority when you’re already outnumbered by a people that reproduces faster than yours do.

Nobody is equipped to absorb hundreds of thousands of people with only the clothes on their backs. Nor should they be expected to.

Israel has been working an expulsion operation for over 80 years now. Limited only by what their propaganda arm can get the west to swallow. That’s how Americans came to have a completely different picture of what’s going on over there than is actually going on over there.

 

[Aristaeus]

That you don’t understand the difference between being order to do something and individual soldiers doing something that they were not ordered to do shows a rather obvious lack of critical thinking ability.

To pretend to not understand the difference is either completely naivety or just lying because you are trying to push an agenda.

And Israeli soldiers told Haaratz they were ordered or told to shoot.

 

[Bodi]

The most vile myth in the world is that of Western enlightenment and Western humanity.

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Yes. White people are the problem. White people were the only ruthless bastards out there acting barbaric. White people bad.

You know what the problem with your posts and thinking is... they're racist.


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[Hatuey]

Yes. White people are the problem. White people were the only ruthless bastards out there acting barbaric. White people bad.

You know what the problem with your posts and thinking is... they're racist.

I don't think you understood the image, Bodi. That's okay.

 

[snakestretcher]

Why are you telling me this story every single time? Are you forgetting you're telling it every time, or is it part of the script? Your clear pettiness aside in basing your hatred for a nation and its people on what you claim happened and what you claim you understand from it, criticism of specific Israeli policies of specific Israeli governments isn't different from criticism of specific US actions of specific US administrations and I've never claimed otherwise, that's your injection.

You complain about 'scripts' when your entire, relentlessly repetitive schtick consists of accusing others who dare criticise Israel and her policies vis-a-vis Palestine, as anti-Semites, Hamas supporters and Jew haters, and whatever other ludicrous pejorative your imagination can conjure up. Look up the definition of 'irony' and see if anything resonates. Oh, and add 'hypocrisy' to the list.

 

[bythoughts]

Nobody is equipped to absorb hundreds of thousands of people with only the clothes on their backs. Nor should they be expected to.

There is no reason why they should leave with nothing. Their land and their suffering deserves compensation. A start to that compensation would be to take the $4 billion plus annually that the U.S. keeps handing over, and apply it directly toward compensating individuals. Of course, in the longer term the land and improvements taken need to be assessed, and at non-war prices.

Despite that, well, plausibly the U.S. can absorb that many people under those conditions... and Turkey absorbed many more during the ISIS conflict.

 

[snakestretcher]

There is no reason why they should leave with nothing. Their land and their suffering deserves compensation. A start to that compensation would be to take the $4 billion plus annually that the U.S. keeps handing over, and apply it directly toward compensating individuals. Of course, in the longer term the land and improvements taken need to be assessed, and at non-war prices.

Despite that, well, plausibly the U.S. can absorb that many people under those conditions... and Turkey absorbed many more during the ISIS conflict.

There's no reason they should leave Palestine to European colonists, period.

 

[Apocalypse]

You complain about 'scripts' when your entire, relentlessly repetitive schtick consists of accusing others who dare criticise Israel and her policies vis-a-vis Palestine, as anti-Semites, Hamas supporters and Jew haters, and whatever other ludicrous pejorative your imagination can conjure up. Look up the definition of 'irony' and see if anything resonates. Oh, and add 'hypocrisy' to the list.

This coming from someone who claims Jews are liars due to their culture, talk about irony.