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This was an attempt at bribery and extortion and must be met with the severest possible punishment of both crimes..
What is it about requiring a historically corrupt nation, one with evidence of ties to corruption involving US politice and one with a brand new president, to acknowledge that corruption and vow to investigate it for the purpose of insuring that it doesn’t continue, that creates a corrupt quid pro quo?
Wrong, Giuliani reiterated Oranges demand that aid depended on the investigation.Yes. And Giulianni didn't say anything about "dirt on Biden", either.
whut?Like I said..."those who are lying and talking about "dirt on Biden".
Wrong, Giuliani reiterated Oranges demand that aid depended on the investigation.
whut?
Biden provided his own dirt. He announced his quid pro quo publicly. He's repeatedly lied since saying he didn't talk to his son about Burisma. Hunter Biden said exactly the opposite. But hey, let's get after Trump for wanting to look into Dem muckraking in Ukraine in 2016. Heaven forbid that would be exposed. However, after the IG and Durham reports, it hopefully will all be exposed.
That was not the purpose and could not have been the purpose as the Biden story was already in the press and had been since before Trump became president.
I don't recall reading that in the transcript. I do recall the president asking the leader to look into corruption. I guess if that corruption involves a democrat we cannot look into it. WOW.
Is there a term for people who support a criminal and adulterer who doesn't pay his his bills and cheats charities?
I'd say firing squad!
#TREASON!!!
Getting dirt on a political opponent was exactly the purpose of the Trump effort to bribe and extort a foreign leader so he could use it in his own election campaign. And that is a crime. And it has been confirmed by several people.
It Was a Corrupt Quid Pro Quo
Not only did the president hold up aid to Ukraine; he made its release contingent on a statement advancing his own political interests.
Despite what the Republicans are now trying to peddle - It was a quid pro quo, but not a corrupt quid pro quo - I believe the corrupt intent was so transparent that Americans will have no doubts that it was indeed an illegal shakedown.
I believe the Republicans - and Donald Trump - will rue their insistence of public/televised House hearings.
It Was a Corrupt Quid Pro Quo
Not only did the president hold up aid to Ukraine; he made its release contingent on a statement advancing his own political interests.
Despite what the Republicans are now trying to peddle - It was a quid pro quo, but not a corrupt quid pro quo - I believe the corrupt intent was so transparent that Americans will have no doubts that it was indeed an illegal shakedown.
I believe the Republicans - and Donald Trump - will rue their insistence of public/televised House hearings.
What are you basing this on, this is some innocuous comment.Again...Giuliani didn't say anything about "dirt on Biden".
Uh, Orange stated the bribe in his call to Zelensky:This whole "dirt on Biden" nonsense is a lie that was made up to justify using this very normal Ukraine issue for the purpose of getting at Trump. But it's still nothing more than a lie and nobody has supported the lie in testimony with any facts.
Clinton paid Paula Jones $850K not to haul his ass into court. He molested Kathleen Willey, Jaunita Brodderick and who knows how many other women who were fearful of coming forward. He was a good buddy of pedophile Jeffrey Epstein and flew dozens of times on his plane. Hillary Clinton operated an illegal government server, obstructed justice and colluded with foreigners to dig up dirt on her rival. Millions poured into the Clinton Foundation from Russians while Hillary promoted the Uranium One Deal. She is still contesting $6M in bills due to states from 2016.
The most comical thing of all is watching the libs pretend to care about adultery. Now that is a real hoot. It's even funnier than them pretending to care about the homeless, the illegal immigrants at the border or the Kurds. All great comedy.
That was not the purpose and could not have been the purpose as the Biden story was already in the press and had been since before Trump became president.
yup - DEPLORABLE.
who wants to take this one. i'm too tired arguing reality with Trump republicans.
It's saddening to watch Trump_DoJ totally ignore Biden's clear quid pro quo.What's really humorous, but not the least bit surprising, is watching the left totally ignore Biden's clear quid pro quo while trying to divine one for Trump by latching onto the opinions of long time bureaucrats who oppose Trump on policy. That's what this is about and even that testimony has been very mixed. Once all this is public and, particularly, if we get to see and question the WB, this thing will fizzle like a wet firecracker.
It Was a Corrupt Quid Pro Quo
Not only did the president hold up aid to Ukraine; he made its release contingent on a statement advancing his own political interests.
Despite what the Republicans are now trying to peddle - It was a quid pro quo, but not a corrupt quid pro quo - I believe the corrupt intent was so transparent that Americans will have no doubts that it was indeed an illegal shakedown.
I believe the Republicans - and Donald Trump - will rue their insistence of public/televised House hearings.
What are you basing this on, this is some innocuous comment.
Uh, Orange stated the bribe in his call to Zelensky:
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Are you going to argue that the reopening of a closed investigation of Joe is NOT "dirt"?
Yes, you are, this is debate, you are creating argument.I'm not arguing anything.
You are simply trying to argue that the bribe by Orange to reopen the investigation.....is not "digging up dirt". It is an argument over semantics, unhinged from reality.I'm stating that there are no facts that indicate that Trump's dealings with Ukraine has anything to do with getting "dirt on Biden". Not in the phone call...not from Giuliani...not from anybody who has testified to Congress. None.
Nonsense, Orange made the bribe, it is all about Ukraine only getting aid if they "dig up dirt".Now...if you want to argue against my fact, then present your own facts. But be aware that opinions are not facts. Statements about 2nd, 3rd or 4th hand stuff are not facts.
Yes, you are, this is debate, you are creating argument.
You are simply trying to argue that the bribe by Orange to reopen the investigation.....is not "digging up dirt". It is an argument over semantics, unhinged from reality.
Nonsense, Orange made the bribe, it is all about Ukraine only getting aid if they "dig up dirt".
There is no way to respond to you, you are denying that the reopening of an investigation into Joe is the "digging up dirt".Like I said...if you think it's about dirt, present facts to support your contention.
There is no way to respond to you, you are denying that the reopening of an investigation into Joe is the "digging up dirt".
It is the most basic, simple concept of this whole scandal, and you are unable to accept the language, let alone the concept.
What is it about requiring a historically corrupt nation, one with evidence of ties to corruption involving US politice and one with a brand new president, to acknowledge that corruption and vow to investigate it for the purpose of insuring that it doesn’t continue, that creates a corrupt quid pro quo?
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