It Is Not Your Constitutional Right To Not Wear A Mask

[ldsrptcvt]

many deaths over a short period is harder for society to handle; also, by slowing it down we give researchers more time to find solutions, so actually fewer people die

 

[minnie616]

I don't understand your logic. If the same number of people are going to die, regardless of whether you wear a mask or not. Why does it matter if they die over a longer period, rather than to die at a quicker rate? It is the same number of deaths, only the period of time is changed. So why would that even be a consideration?

Are you saying if someone was going to get Covid in 4 months and die from Covid in 4 months and 6 days why not let them get right away so they are dead in 6 days instead of making they wait another 4 months before they get the virus ?

Ever day lived is one more day closer to medical solution for treating the virus and perhaps finding a medicine to cure or to
reverse the Damage or even a vaccine that would prevent someone from Covid.

Cutting down on the numbers of people entering the hospital helps allow the doctors and nurses to spend more quality time taking care of their patients and time for proper breaks for themselves also.

Someday every one of us is going to die.

But studies show Covid 19 shortens life by a decade even if the person who dies from it had health issues before they got Covid 19.

From the Wall Street Journal:


Not just hastening the end: Coronavirus kills people an average of a decade before their time, studies find

Not just hastening the end: Coronavirus kills people an average of a decade before their time, studies find


People dying of Covid-19 could have expected to live on average for at least another decade,
according to new analyses that help fill in a still-developing picture of the human cost of the coronavirus pandemic.

Read more:

Coronavirus Kills People an Average of a Decade Before Their Time, Studies Find - WSJ

 

[snakestretcher]

There is no need to try to make everyone wear masks as long as there is so much disagreement among experts as to whether it is a good idea or not.

Do you understand the concept of erring on the side of caution? The more folk that wear masks the fewer, and slower, are the rates of infection. This shouldn't need explaining.

 

[Mashmont]

the distinct possibility that you are a carrier. No one is immune; no, not even you

Big whoop. A carrier with no symptoms who gives it to others who also show no symptoms. Sounds a lot like a made-up thing to me.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Big whoop. A carrier with no symptoms who gives it to others who also show no symptoms. Sounds a lot like a made-up thing to me.

you think there's no chance of you running into one of the 92,000,000 Americans at severe risk if they get infected? Or someone who is in their family? How about a man who lives with his wife who is on immuno-suppressants for cancer?

 

[snakestretcher]

Big whoop. A carrier with no symptoms who gives it to others who also show no symptoms. Sounds a lot like a made-up thing to me.

Do you always know who you caught a cold from? I'm sure those people in hospitals, drowning in their own pus, would have been gratified to know that Covid-19 is a "big whoop" and a "made up thing" before they died, not knowing who infected them. Please keep posting; I need a good laugh, and your daily babblings are an infinite source of amusement, and a treasure trove of idiocy.

 

[marke]

Do you understand the concept of erring on the side of caution? The more folk that wear masks the fewer, and slower, are the rates of infection. This shouldn't need explaining.

Gotcha. At least you won't have to worry about these mobs not wearing masks.

 

[Glitch]

Are you saying if someone was going to get Covid in 4 months and die from Covid in 4 months and 6 days why not let them get right away so they are dead in 6 days instead of making they wait another 4 months before they get the virus ?

Ever day lived is one more day closer to medical solution for treating the virus and perhaps finding a medicine to cure or to
reverse the Damage or even a vaccine that would prevent someone from Covid.

Cutting down on the numbers of people entering the hospital helps allow the doctors and nurses to spend more quality time taking care of their patients and time for proper breaks for themselves also.

Someday every one of us is going to die.

But studies show Covid 19 shortens life by a decade even if the person who dies from it had health issues before they got Covid 19.

From the Wall Street Journal:


Not just hastening the end: Coronavirus kills people an average of a decade before their time, studies find




Read more:

Coronavirus Kills People an Average of a Decade Before Their Time, Studies Find - WSJ

That only makes sense if there was a possibility the hospitals might exceed their capacity. They haven't, and won't. That much has already been well established. None of the hospitals were overly-taxed, resources were not depleted, and none of the temporarily created emergency medical centers were used. Which means the only reason to be wearing masks now is out of sheer panic and irrational fear.

Anyone wearing a mask these days is demonstrating that they are completely irrational, and potentially violent (based on the masked rioters in the Democrat-controlled sh*tholes of Minneapolis, St. Louis, Atlanta, and New York). Which is why I am now armed 24/7 to protect myself from the masked crazies.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

That only makes sense if there was a possibility the hospitals might exceed their capacity. They haven't, and won't. That much has already been well established. None of the hospitals were overly-taxed, resources were not depleted, and none of the temporarily created emergency medical centers were used. Which means the only reason to be wearing masks now is out of sheer panic and irrational fear.

Anyone wearing a mask these days is demonstrating that they are completely irrational, and potentially violent (based on the masked rioters in the Democrat-controlled sh*tholes of Minneapolis, St. Louis, Atlanta, and New York). Which is why I am now armed 24/7 to protect myself from the masked crazies.

what good is hospitalization if they haven't had time to find better treatments? By slowing the spread, better drugs can be developed and fewer people die.

 

[Conservative]

The Supreme Court is tasked with interpreting the Constitution.

Here is a decision involving public health:

Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), was a*United States Supreme Court*case presided over by Judge John Marshall Harlan. The decision gave the collective citizenry the right to protect itself:

“Harlan ruled that personal liberties could be suspended when "the safety of the general public may demand" for example during a smallpox outbreak.[7]*He compared the smallpox outbreak to the*American Civil War*(in which three out of nine Justices at the term served) by saying that a community has the right to protect itself from both disease and military invasion.[6] “

This decision has never been overturned.

To read more about it go to U.S. Reports: Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905). | Library of Congress

Wrong question, is a private business allowed to operate by requiring masks to be worn upon entry is the right question? that is a right of private business that I support. forcing people to wear a mask isn't a federal responsibility.

 

[minnie616]

That only makes sense if there was a possibility the hospitals might exceed their capacity. They haven't, and won't. That much has already been well established. None of the hospitals were overly-taxed, resources were not depleted, and none of the temporarily created emergency medical centers were used. Which means the only reason to be wearing masks now is out of sheer panic and irrational fear.

Anyone wearing a mask these days is demonstrating that they are completely irrational, and potentially violent (based on the masked rioters in the Democrat-controlled sh*tholes of Minneapolis, St. Louis, Atlanta, and New York). Which is why I am now armed 24/7 to protect myself from the masked crazies.

Maybe living in Alaska has blinded you but in Michigan Covid 19 did overwhelm our hospitals and pushed hospital staffs beyond their limits.

From:

DETROIT – Detroit is making national headlines after a series of pictures from inside a local hospital went viral.

Images of body bags inside Sinai-Grace Hospital show the grim reality of what first responders are dealing with during the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic.

Several containers with the words “short and long term refrigeration rental” on the side of them can be seen in the parking lot at the hospital.

Local 4 crews saw what staff members said are bodies being placed inside the refrigerated containers.

Several employees who spoke to Local 4 said they didn’t want to be identified in fear of losing their jobs.

Many described the conditions at the hospital, saying, “It’s horrible. I’m telling you.”

Numerous news outlets have shown photos of what appears to be [ZB] body bags inside vacant rooms, including a sleep study room inside the hospital.[/B]

An employee described what it is like inside the hospital: “They’ve been doing this since, for at least a month, since COVID-19 started. The funeral homes are full. The morgues are full. It’s just so unsanitary inside. They’re placing the bodies in the sleep study labs. They turn the air condition on to keep the bodies cool. The rooms are full. The nightmares are bad. I’m not sleeping. I can’t eat. I keep dreaming about somebody zipping me up in the body bags. Physically, I’m fine, but it’s mental now. I predict after this is over a lot of people will leave nursing. This is going to start a real bad shortage.”

Sinai-Grace also made headlines last week when nurses protested the nurse to patient ratio. Eight nurses held a sit-in as they asked for more help.

Hospital management told them to work or leave, so they left, citing that they could not properly care for their patients with such a small number of nurses on duty.


The nurses would each have about a dozen seriously ill patients under their care. About half of those patients would be on a ventilator.

 

[Glitch]

what good is hospitalization if they haven't had time to find better treatments? By slowing the spread, better drugs can be developed and fewer people die.

So slowing the spread of the virus is worth destroying the lives of tens of millions of Americans to you? How hypocritically liberal of you. As long as you can save one COVID-19 patient's life, it is worth utterly destroying tens of thousands of other people's lives. Your liberal mentality will kill more Americans than the virus ultimately. Which should make you very happy indeed since that has always been your goal.

 

[Glitch]

Wrong question, is a private business allowed to operate by requiring masks to be worn upon entry is the right question? that is a right of private business that I support. forcing people to wear a mask isn't a federal responsibility.

Private businesses can indeed enforce a mask-wearing policy. It is no different from the "No Shirt. No Shoes. No Service." signs. Obviously they would be cutting off their own nose to spite their face, since they would be turning away more than half of their potential customers. So they may want to reconsider such a policy if they ever intend to stay in business.

 

[Glitch]

Maybe living in Alaska has blinded you but in Michigan Covid 19 did overwhelm our hospitals and pushed hospital staffs beyond their limits.

From:

No, it didn't. Nowhere in the nation were hospitals anywhere near their capacity. Not even in New York City, where they had temporary emergency facilities and a hospital ship to handle non-COVID-19 cases in case hospitals became overloaded. It never happened. Not anywhere in the nation. You are posting Fake News by the enemy of the people.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Wrong question, is a private business allowed to operate by requiring masks to be worn upon entry is the right question? that is a right of private business that I support. forcing people to wear a mask isn't a federal responsibility.

no, it's a state responsibility, and public health emergencies confer special powers to governors

 

[Risky Thicket]

Maybe living in Alaska has blinded you but in Michigan Covid 19 did overwhelm our hospitals and pushed hospital staffs beyond their limits.

From:

Also, I would add that as a result of the protests cum riots across America we are going to see a large surge in the number of COVID positive people under the age of 40 in many major cities. Shouting, screaming, running and much coughing from tear gas and pepper spray combined with no distancing and not wearing masks for hours and hours of exposure is tantamount to drinking a glassful of collected and combined spit.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

So slowing the spread of the virus is worth destroying the lives of tens of millions of Americans to you? How hypocritically liberal of you. As long as you can save one COVID-19 patient's life, it is worth utterly destroying tens of thousands of other people's lives. Your liberal mentality will kill more Americans than the virus ultimately. Which should make you very happy indeed since that has always been your goal.

I don't believe you have any idea what you are talking about. Try again when you have numbers to support your claim.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

No, it didn't. Nowhere in the nation were hospitals anywhere near their capacity. Not even in New York City, where they had temporary emergency facilities and a hospital ship to handle non-COVID-19 cases in case hospitals became overloaded. It never happened. Not anywhere in the nation. You are posting Fake News by the enemy of the people.

maybe you are confused. It's not hospital overload, it's ICU overload. You can't just put these patients anywhere and hospitals have limited ICU beds.

 

[Conservative]

no, it's a state responsibility, and public health emergencies confer special powers to governors

I support the rights of private business to make that decision. let's see you enforce it at the state level?

Holiday weekend images show plenty of people flocked to beaches but not a lot social distancing - CNN

 

[Rawley]

My wearing a mask in public is helping to slow the spread of Covid in Michigan.
And it does show I care about my fellow citizens.

You said you do not live in an area that is affected by Covid 19 so your response is different.

I live in Oakland County , Michigan. Over 8,000 of my fellow Oakland County citizens have died from Covid 19.



If Wearing a mask might help slow the spread of this devastating virus in Oakland County , it is the very least I can do.

If I can NOT be on front lines fighting this virus , I will do whatever I can To help the front line people slow the spread.

Staying home when possible is one way to help and wearing a mask When out in public may help too.

8,000 deaths in your county? Someone is feeding you some very wrong information. You've had just over 5,000 in your entire state.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

I support the rights of private business to make that decision. let's see you enforce it at the state level?

Holiday weekend images show plenty of people flocked to beaches but not a lot social distancing - CNN

just because we don't have martial law to enforce the mandates doesn't mean these people aren't breaking laws.

 

[Conservative]

just because we don't have martial law to enforce the mandates doesn't mean these people aren't breaking laws.

Just because you cannot exercise personal control doesn't mean that others can't. The CV19 virus can be controlled by individual actions and yet you want Patriot style legislation and that makes no sense except to a radical who buys the scare tactics the left is spewing. The Patriot Act is national security, the CV is a domestic problem and pandemic that is under the control of the states. States cannot battle terrorism from foreign entities and that is what the Patriot Act is supposed to do. How have you been affected by the Patriot Act?

This country was built on individual freedoms including the right to make mistakes and suffer the consequences for those mistakes. You control your own destiny, you want to wear a mask, do it but don't force others to wear one if they choose not to, that of course doesn't remove the rights of private business to mandate wearing a mask into their premises.

 

[snakestretcher]

Private businesses can indeed enforce a mask-wearing policy. It is no different from the "No Shirt. No Shoes. No Service." signs. Obviously they would be cutting off their own nose to spite their face, since they would be turning away more than half of their potential customers. So they may want to reconsider such a policy if they ever intend to stay in business.

What nonsense! A store owner doesn't need to get infected by an irresponsible idiot. Who would run his business if he died as a result of getting breathed on by an infected moron; what's more important , losing your life or losing half your income? You chose.

 

[minnie616]

8,000 deaths in your county? Someone is feeding you some very wrong information. You've had just over 5,000 in your entire state.

Sorry , that was the number of Confirmed Covid 19 Cases in Oakland County. The number of deaths is over 980.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Just because you cannot exercise personal control doesn't mean that others can't. The CV19 virus can be controlled by individual actions and yet you want Patriot style legislation and that makes no sense except to a radical who buys the scare tactics the left is spewing. The Patriot Act is national security, the CV is a domestic problem and pandemic that is under the control of the states. States cannot battle terrorism from foreign entities and that is what the Patriot Act is supposed to do. How have you been affected by the Patriot Act?

This country was built on individual freedoms including the right to make mistakes and suffer the consequences for those mistakes. You control your own destiny, you want to wear a mask, do it but don't force others to wear one if they choose not to, that of course doesn't remove the rights of private business to mandate wearing a mask into their premises.

how does spying on, searching without a warrant and imprisoning AMERICANS without due process protect us from terrorists? Why don't you make it your personal responsibility to build an armored bunker for yourself and not rely on the government for protection from anything, be it disease or terrorism. I prefer my rights to privacy and due process of law - the real spirit of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.