It Is Freakish And Insane How Our Society Averts Its Gaze From Gaza

[stevecanuck]

The statements of the Lehi, a group which Israel embraced and gave awards to:

“An article titled "Terror" in the Lehi underground newspaper He Khazit (The Front) argued as follows:


The article described the goals of terror:


Yitzhak Shamir, one of the three leaders of Lehi after Avraham Stern's assassination, argued for the legitimacy of Lehi's actions:



“According to Yaacov Shavit, professor at the Department of Jewish History, Tel Aviv University, articles in Lehi publications contained references to a Jewish "master race", contrasting the Jews with Arabs who were seen as a "nation of slaves".[47]American journalist Sasha Polakow-Suransky writes that "Lehi was also unabashedly racist towards Arabs. Their publications described Jews as a master race and Arabs as a slave race." Lehi advocated mass expulsion of all Arabs from Palestine and Transjordan,[48] or even their physical annihilation.[49]”

Lehi (militant group) - Wikipedia

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Which makes me wrong how?

Btw, groups such as Lehi and Urgun grew out of the necessity to protects Jews from incessant attacks from Muslims. That doesn't excuse excessive means by them, and I never said it did. Also, very many Israelis do NOT agree with such methods and have demonstrated against them numerous times. Compare that with Palestinian joy over the deaths of Jews.

 

[stevecanuck]

There's an audio recording of a Hamas fighter calling his parents to boast about killing Jews in a video released by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). The recording captures the militant exclaiming, "Look how many I killed with my own hands! Your son killed Jews!" His father responds with praise, saying, "Oh my son, God bless you," while his mother joins the call, expressing pride in his actions.

"Your Son Killed Jews": Hamas Operative's Call To Father Released By Israel

The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) has released an audio recording that it claims is a conversation between a Hams operative and his family - where he is allegedly bragging about killing Israelis during the October 7 mass breach.

www.ndtv.com

But, naahhhhh. Nothing to do with Jew-hating. It's all merely political.

 

[Tigerace117]

Which makes me wrong how?

Btw, groups such as Lehi and Urgun grew out of the necessity to protects Jews from incessant attacks from Muslims. That doesn't excuse excessive means by them, and I never said it did. Also, very many Israelis do NOT agree with such methods and have demonstrated against them numerous times. Compare that with Palestinian joy over the deaths of Jews.

Oh really? A group which claims Arabs are a “slave race” and wants to conquer vast swathes of its neighbors’ land—and actively tried to ally with the Axis— is “defending Jews”? According to who?

Israelis have expressed joy over the mass murder of Palestinian civilians on numerous occasions, so that’s clearly not true.

 

[stevecanuck]

This is from a summary I did of Daniel Gordis' book, 'Israel, A Concise History of a Nation Reborn.' It describes the formation of the Irgun.

• At a meeting in April 1920, Britain, France, Italy, and Japan convened to discuss the division of the land that had been held by the Ottoman Empire. The participants recognized the 1917 Balfour Declaration, and officially granted Britain the Mandate for Palestine.
• Palestinian Arabs were infuriated, and, in a pattern that they would often repeat, they responded with violence. In 1920, rioting Arabs in Jerusalem killed six Jews and wounded others. In 1921, riots in Jaffa that soon spread left in their wake four dozen dead Jews.
• In the wake of spreading Arab violence, and recognizing that the British were not going to offer sufficient protection to the Jews, the Yishuv’s leaders decided in 1921 to create the Haganah (“The Defense”) to protect Jewish farms and villages. The Haganah's mandate was purely as a defensive force. They were to initiate attacks only based on undeniable intelligence that showed an Arab attack was imminent.
• In 1929, Arab mobs began a riot in Hebron that soon spread beyond the city. By the end, 133 Jews were killed. Hundreds of Jews who survived the massacre were saved by their Arab neighbors, some of whom hid Jews in their own homes at great personal peril.
• As Arab violence against Jews increased, a more proactive group of fighters, known as the Irgun, broke away from the Haganah and carried out retaliatory attacks.

 

[stevecanuck]

May 16, 1948 headline in @nytimes
“Jews in grave danger in all Moslem lands” No Jews left now in Afghanistan, Algeria, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Syria, Yemen…850,000 Jews driven out.
--Palestinians had the chance to have democratic governance once upon a time and they utterly trashed it.

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This is a story that has been almost entirely buried. Thanks for the reminder.

The mass expulsion of Jews was of course driven by the hatred that permeates Islam's DNA.

 

[Tigerace117]

This is from a summary I did of Daniel Gordis' book, 'Israel, A Concise History of a Nation Reborn.' It describes the formation of the Irgun.

• At a meeting in April 1920, Britain, France, Italy, and Japan convened to discuss the division of the land that had been held by the Ottoman Empire. The participants recognized the 1917 Balfour Declaration, and officially granted Britain the Mandate for Palestine.
• Palestinian Arabs were infuriated, and, in a pattern that they would often repeat, they responded with violence. In 1920, rioting Arabs in Jerusalem killed six Jews and wounded others. In 1921, riots in Jaffa that soon spread left in their wake four dozen dead Jews.
• In the wake of spreading Arab violence, and recognizing that the British were not going to offer sufficient protection to the Jews, the Yishuv’s leaders decided in 1921 to create the Haganah (“The Defense”) to protect Jewish farms and villages. The Haganah's mandate was purely as a defensive force. They were to initiate attacks only based on undeniable intelligence that showed an Arab attack was imminent.
• In 1929, Arab mobs began a riot in Hebron that soon spread beyond the city. By the end, 133 Jews were killed. Hundreds of Jews who survived the massacre were saved by their Arab neighbors, some of whom hid Jews in their own homes at great personal peril.
• As Arab violence against Jews increased, a more proactive group of fighters, known as the Irgun, broke away from the Haganah and carried out retaliatory attacks.

And then in places like Deir Yassin Arabs who lived in peace with their Jewish neighbors were targeted for mass murder by the Irgun.

Proving the claim of their “defensive” nature to be a falsehood

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

This is a story that has been almost entirely buried. Thanks for the reminder.

The mass expulsion of Jews was of course driven by the hatred that permeates Islam's DNA.

I am not a supporter of ANY organized religion, Jews, Muslims, Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, Mormons, Scientologists, whatever.

 

[stevecanuck]

I am not a supporter of ANY organized religion, Jews, Muslims, Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, Mormons, Scientologists, whatever.

Neither am I. And you don't have to be to understand the root cause of Jew-hatred in Islam. It's in the Qur'an for anyone who takes the time to look for it.

 

[stevecanuck]

And then in places like Deir Yassin Arabs who lived in peace with their Jewish neighbors were targeted for mass murder by the Irgun.

Proving the claim of their “defensive” nature to be a falsehood

Do you even read my posts? I mean REALLY read them. This ^^^^^ bullshit suggests you don't.

 

[Tigerace117]

Do you even read my posts? I mean REALLY read them. This ^^^^^ bullshit suggests you don't.

Gee dude, you are aware the supposedly “defensive” Irgun was involved in attacking peaceful villages like Deir Yassin on a routine basis.....right?

 

[stevecanuck]

Gee dude, you are aware the supposedly “defensive” Irgun was involved in attacking peaceful villages like Deir Yassin on a routine basis.....right?

My turn,

Gee dude, this is second post that proves you didn't read ALL of post 154.

 

[Tigerace117]

My turn,

Gee dude, this is second post that proves you didn't read ALL of post 154.

Massacring villages full of people who’d lived in peace with their Jewish neighbors, such as Deir Yassin, destroys your claim they were “defensive”.

 

[oneworld2]

Epic fail.

By yourself, I agree

You don't have to be an Islamist in the sense of wanting to establish an Islamic state to hate Jews, you just have to read the Qur'an and see that Allah hates them.

They aren't hating all Jews, they are hating Israeli/Zionist Jews and not because they are Jews but because they have entered the region as settler colonialists bent on sticking it to the locals with the backing of the worlds greatest powers and stealing their lands.

That shouldn't even need explaining because it is a historical human truism but if you are an Islamophobe of course you will single out Muslims for hating those who illegally and violently steal their lands and massacre their people.

Christians have treated Jews worse than Muslims have throughout history which also completely undermines your ongoing and obsessive Islamophobic rhetoric

 

[oneworld2]

Right. Eight nations who just happened to be Muslim and who faced NO existential threat from Israel decided to attack it for shits and giggles.

No they attacked the Israeli state because

A. They were seeing the ethnic cleansing of Palestine being carried out right in front of them

B They too had only recently freed themselves from western colonialism and saw, correctly, that Palestinian sovereignty was being attacked so as to house a western proxy state in the region.

C They were also aware of the Zionist maps of what the Israeli state would consist of and understood that it included swathes of their own lands.

To dismiss these concerns as " shits and giggles" is pretty pathetic and can only be inspired by a bigoted view of the people themselves, which really isn't in doubt anyway.

Yup, no systemic Jew-hating at play here.

So having completely ignored the above it can only ever be " Jew hating" at play even though when the Christians retook southern Spain many Jews left with them fearing the Christians more than the Muslims, which given the historical record, you can't blame them

 

[oneworld2]

I've already shown you the answer to that in Hamas' 1988 charter. Here, I'll saying it again, and because you're apparently hard of hearing, I'll say it louder:

Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious ...

This too is easily understood if your head isn't full of bigoted perspectives.

People broad brush and especially when things get extremely difficult .

In WW2 there was no splitting of Nazis and Germans in peoples words. The war was against the Germans , not the Nazis.

The indigenous peoples of the world blighted by European settler colonialism didn't differentiate between the different Christian denominations they were being terrorized and ethnically cleansed by, the just called them the white man or pale face etc

This is all really really basic understanding of colonialist situations and history and you fail at it, miserably, because your posts aren't based on such knowledge, they are based on bigotry and it's completely obvious they are lol

 

[oneworld2]

Of course not every one - BUT enough of them...............

To justify the genocide of the entire people?

There, I said your quiet part out loud seeing as you couldn't do it yourself.

to vote Hamas in knowing full well that their main objective is the destroy Israel.

A. Likely most of the people in Gaza today NEVER voted for Hamas in the 2006 election win.

B. The exit polls even in those elections showed that while people were prepared to vote for Hamas as a rejection of the Fatah/PA collaborators and self servers, they stated a disagreement with the then hard line stance of Hamas wrt settling the conflict with Israel on a two state solution basis.

It must really suck to show the world how ignorant you actually are of the history of those you seek to demonize so as to play your small/tiny part in supporting their genocide

 

[stevecanuck]

Massacring villages full of people who’d lived in peace with their Jewish neighbors, such as Deir Yassin, destroys your claim they were “defensive”.

1. Strawgiant.
2. Still not responsive to 154.

Anyone who might be trying to give you some sort of benefit of the doubt needs only to read this thread to see that you don't deserve any. I'm probably out - depends on just how much bull shit you continue to pile on.

 

[Tigerace117]

1. Strawgiant.
2. Still not responsive to 154.

Anyone who might be trying to give you some sort of benefit of the doubt needs only to read this thread to see that you don't deserve any. I'm probably out - depends on just how much bull shit you continue to pile on.

Trying to deny what the Israeli paramilitaries actually did is hilariously ignorant. Nothing about them was “defensive”; they massacred innocent Muslims in, as usual, an attempt to drive the Palestinians out of land Israel desperately wanted to colonize.

 

[stevecanuck]

not because they are Jews

Hamas charter: Our struggle against the Jews is very real and very serious.

How many times can you have this rubbed in your face and keep making that stupid assertion? I'm guessing you have no limit. Again, I'm probably done responding to you unless you come up with some different lies.

 

[stevecanuck]

No they attacked the Israeli state because

A. They were seeing the ethnic cleansing of Palestine being carried out right in front of them

B They too had only recently freed themselves from western colonialism and saw, correctly, that Palestinian sovereignty was being attacked so as to house a western proxy state in the region.

C They were also aware of the Zionist maps of what the Israeli state would consist of and understood that it included swathes of their own lands.

To dismiss these concerns as " shits and giggles" is pretty pathetic and can only be inspired by a bigoted view of the people themselves, which really isn't in doubt anyway.


So having completely ignored the above it can only ever be " Jew hating" at play even though when the Christians retook southern Spain many Jews left with them fearing the Christians more than the Muslims, which given the historical record, you can't blame them

Several two-state offers were made to the Palestinians, but they rejected all of them and responded with ever more violence. Why? Because that allows for one state too many.

Israel unilaterally pulled out of Gaza in the hope of trading land for peace. Actually, that's still possible - as long as that land extends "from the river to the sea".

 

[oneworld2]

Hamas charter: Our struggle against the Jews is very real and very serious.

How many times can you have this rubbed in your face and keep making that stupid assertion? I'm guessing you have no limit. Again, I'm probably done responding to you unless you come up with some different lies.

You are actually just projecting now that your Islamophobic trash is being batted back to you and with interest.

All's you have in a Charter from the late eighties that only covers the view of some Palestinians anyway. That Charter was revised in 2017 iirc and states a wish to support a two state solution if endorsed by national Palestinian referendum.

Some of those fighting the Israeli/Jewish illegal colonization of their land and the ethnic cleansing of its people aren't even Muslims

Every piece of bs you have come up with has been addressed and shown to be the same/similar to other peoples that have shared the same fate but because of your hopelessly bigoted views you refuse to see it.

Others will and they will see you exactly for what you are, you just don't understand that

 

[stevecanuck]

You are actually just projecting now that your Islamophobic trash is being batted back to you and with interest.

All's you have in a Charter from the late eighties that only covers the view of some Palestinians anyway. That Charter was revised in 2017 iirc and states a wish to support a two state solution if endorsed by national Palestinian referendum.

Some of those fighting the Israeli/Jewish illegal colonization of their land and the ethnic cleansing of its people aren't even Muslims

Every piece of bs you have come up with has been addressed and shown to be the same/similar to other peoples that have shared the same fate but because of your hopelessly bigoted views you refuse to see it.

Others will and they will see you exactly for what you are, you just don't understand that

The 2017 joke? Isn't it obvious that their stated purpose of genocide in 1988 was probably bad PR, so they winked at each other and created the 2017 lie?

Tell you what. Read both charters, think Oct 7, and then tell us which one is real.

Btw, it "covers the view" of enough Palestinians (Gazans specifically) to get them elected.

 

[oneworld2]

Several two-state offers were made to the Palestinians, but they rejected all of them and responded with ever more violence. Why? Because that allows for one state too many.

Israel unilaterally pulled out of Gaza in the hope of trading land for peace. Actually, that's still possible - as long as that land extends "from the river to the sea".

Look at you jumping around not addressing the counter arguments to every Islamophobic/ant Arab crock of shite you come out with





If I was squatting in your house and offered you the garden shed with my camera on it maybe you would reject my magnanimous offer?

You are all over the place now your joint crutches of the Quran and the Hamas 1988 Charter have been kicked from underneath you and it's kind of sad to see just how invested in self denial you are all in order to hate people.

 

[stevecanuck]

Look at you jumping around not addressing the counter arguments to every Islamophobic/ant Arab crock of shite you come out with





If I was squatting in your house and offered you the garden shed with my camera on it maybe you would reject my magnanimous offer?

You are all over the place now your joint crutches of the Quran and the Hamas 1988 Charter have been kicked from underneath you and it's kind of sad to see just how invested in self denial you are all in order to hate people.

If you say so. Buh bye.

 

[oneworld2]

The 2017 joke? Isn't it obvious that their stated purpose of genocide in 1988 was probably bad PR, so they winked at each other and created the 2017 lie?

So was the Likud party slogan of " from the river to the sea" when they claimed and still claim to be a two state advocacy outfit.

But hey, when Jews are obvious they get a pass from you, when Palestinians are it must be because they are Muslims or Arabs or both

Tell you what. Read both charters, think Oct 7, and then tell us which one is real.

I have read the first one and likely before 2001 when you suddenly became interested. The date of your interest is telling and explains a lot.

7th October attack was a legitimate act of armed resistance to try to bring about the end of an illegal 5 decades plus illegal occupation, illegal enforced apartheid system , ethnic cleansing, mass Israeli state terrorism that had killed around 300 Palestinians in 2023 prior to the 7th of October.

So it's clear, you give Israeli state terrorists a pass on their previous crimes and only start the clock at the point of Palestinian responses to it. It's just obvious bigoted tripe you are spewing out.

Btw, it "covers the view" of enough Palestinians (Gazans specifically) to get them elected.

You didn't know about what the exit polls told us about that election and you are hoping to let that part die on the vine and for obvious reasons