It Begins...Trump Backs out of Biggest Promise

[Jetboogieman]

You really think Single Payer could get through Congress?

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Nope.

Because actually doing something that benefits the entire country, especially the poor, isn't really something Republicans are inclined to do.

 

[Chomsky]

To be fair, he has said he liked those specific provisions in interviews throughout the election. But he is also against the mandate and I will be curious to see how he will keep those provisions he likes without the mandate.

Well, he could go with his early primary solution: Single-payer! :mrgreen:

 

[Chomsky]

Congress will never pass a complete repeal of ObamaCare without having something to replace it simultaneously. They simply don't have the votes. The Demos can stop it in the Senate with a filibuster. :doh

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No, but the GOP can basically gut-it with reconciliation.

 

[calamity]

Preposterous. The ONLY Republican who was primaried out of office had Trump's endorsement. There was not, and is no downticket anti-Establishment movement. And quite a few Republicans were sent back to office with more votes than Trump got in their districts.

And if Congress sent Trump a repeal and he vetoed it, considering that Obamacare repeal was the top concern for Republican voters (and the wall was the bottom) it's Trump who will be in the hot water, not Congress.

We'll see, but I sort of doubt it. Trump has to please the white working class, not the Republicans in Congress. And, if they block him, who do you think has the better rhetoric?

Do you honestly think Jim Jordan or some other GOP congressman from a rural district in a Midwestern manufacturing state can go up against the Donald and not walk away being tagged with some ridiculous new nickname he absolutely hates? Trump ate up 18 other GOP candidates one by one, and then won the presidency against all odds, after saying some of the most insane things a politician ever dared to say. These guys are ****ting their pants right now.

If he brings back jobs, Trump's only third rail will be guns. He cannot budge on guns.

 

[Chomsky]

The Dems have a chance here to drive a wedge between Trump and the Congressional GOP. He's obviously not a "government is best which governs least" guy, nor is an ideologue ala Ryan. But he is grandiose. He'll want policy to be big and decisive, a monument to his own greatness. It seems to me much more likely he'd want to help those struggling working class whites afford coverage through Medicare Part Trump than to wage Ryan's ideological war by privatizing traditional Medicare. Which means he may well be able to find more common cause with the Dem minority than some of the nutbars in the GOP caucus. We shall see.

Without a doubt.

Trump is a New Yorker first and foremost.

 

[Chomsky]

You really think Single Payer could get through Congress?

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.No..

 

[countryboy]

Why would anyone start over?? The bones are there. Many portions of it have to be repealed. It needs major tweaking not a do-over. I don't think anyone with a brain thought Trump would walk into the White House and demand immediate repeal of the whole program. What a disaster that would be for those IN it. Hold your horses.

Can we stop playing Now I've Got You You a Son of a Bitch for just a little while?

No, they will not stop. You can look forward to this for the next 8 to 16 years. :mrgreen:

 

[Harshaw]

We'll see, but I sort of doubt it. Trump has to please the white working class, not the Republicans in Congress. And, if they block him, who do you think has the better rhetoric?

Do you honestly think Jim Jordan or some other GOP congressman from a rural district in a Midwestern manufacturing state can go up against the Donald and not walk away being tagged with some ridiculous new nickname he absolutely hates? Trump ate up 18 other GOP candidates one by one, and then won the presidency against all odds, after saying some of the most insane things a politician ever dared to say. These guys are ****ting their pants right now.

If he brings back jobs, Trump's only third rail will be guns. He cannot budge on guns.

Who said anything about "blocking" him? If Congress sends a repeal to Obama's desk and he vetoes it, then it'll be HIM blocking Congress on something Republican voters want.

What on Earth do you think he'll do, that Republicans want, that Congress would "block"?

 

[Perotista]

:lol:

Donald Trump: I may not repeal Obamacare, President-elect says in major U-turn | The Independent

I said time and time again on this site that Trump's lifelong held political views were fairly liberal and he was more in tuned with the Democrats than Republicans. Granted he changed a few of those lifelong held views to run for the presidency as a Republican. Now elected, are we going to see his lifelong held political ideology and philosophy come to the fore.

I said before on this site, that if Trump were elected, if the liberals can get past that R next to his name, they would like a lot of his domestic policies. Time will tell, but this may just be the beginning.

 

[Chomsky]

Leaving alone the "throw constituents off insurance" thing, why would it take 60% of House members?

Sorry, was thinking Senate.

51%.

 

[JANFU]

I'll give him a chance to reveal his full plans before I judge, but I don't see how you can keep those and keep insurance costs down. Although Obamacare is extremely, incredibly flawed, the logic that you have to have something like the mandate to balance out the costs of those provisions is sound.

Perhaps single payer, take the insurance industry out, amend litigation and settlements.
Amend certain treatments, 1 cancer drug, compounded for eye cancer 50 bucks, using the drug companies version, 2000 dollars. Drs. paid a percentage under medicaid (6% IIRC) based upon drugs prescribed.
Easy to figure out what is prescribed

 

[Greenbeard]

Who said anything about "blocking" him? If Congress sends a repeal to Obama's desk and he vetoes it, then it'll be HIM blocking Congress on something Republican voters want.

Where Trump goes, his voters will follow. When Trump endorses the ACA's consumer protections, his voters will remember they love those (look around the threads on this, including this one). And the GOP leadership will kiss his ring.

 

[Chomsky]

Nope.

Because actually doing something that benefits the entire country, especially the poor, isn't really something Republicans are inclined to do.

Actually, single-payer would primarily benefit the working-class and working middle-class.

The poor - as defined by the poverty line - have Medicaid. The well-off or well-employed, have good insurance. The retired have MediCare.

It's the working-class and middle class who often cannot afford quality insurance coverage for their families..

 

[Harshaw]

Where Trump goes, his voters will follow. When Trump endorses the ACA's consumer protections, his voters will remember they love those (look around the threads on this, including this one). And the GOP leadership will kiss his ring.

They didn't during the election. Why would they now?

Trump's voters followed him because they wanted certain things. If he doesn't deliver, they'll turn on him.

Repealing Obamacare is one of those things.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Where Trump goes, his voters will follow. When Trump endorses the ACA's consumer protections, his voters will remember they love those (look around the threads on this, including this one). And the GOP leadership will kiss his ring.

Let's just see if we can convince him to keep using those powers for good.

 

[Harshaw]

Anyway, you guys in this thread who seem to be delighting in Trump revealing himself to be a liberal (which those of us who were Never Trump already knew and shouted from the rooftops to deaf ears) -- shouldn't you be happy about that? Having another liberal President?

Doesn't it mean your many months of crying "fascist!!!!!" were silly and hilariously overblown?

 

[TheGoverness]

Anyway, you guys in this thread who seem to be delighting in Trump revealing himself to be a liberal (which those of us who were Never Trump already knew and shouted from the rooftops to deaf ears) -- shouldn't you be happy about that? Having another liberal President?

Doesn't mean your many months of crying "fascist!!!!!" were silly and hilariously overblown?

He's not really a liberal. Trump just goes with whatever benefits him the most.

Like a businessman.

 

[Fenton]

:lamo

So when he says he's repealing Obamacare, all of it, while campaigning, and then says there are some things he likes about it and may keep it---you say he is not backing out of anything. You're great, Ex. What would life be like here without you? :lol:

Actually in his defense he has said he supports keeping those two provisions before

 

[Harshaw]

He's not really a liberal. Trump just goes with whatever benefits him the most.

Like a businessman.

He's held generally liberal views for most of his life. He's a NYer, so that pretty much goes with it.

 

[TheGoverness]

He's held generally liberal views for most of his life. He's a NYer, so that pretty much goes with it.

Considering he swings like a pendulum when it comes to his positions, I wouldn't be so sure about that.

 

[Harshaw]

Considering he swings like a pendulum when it comes to his positions, I wouldn't be so sure about that.

He does now, since he's been trying politics. He didn't always.

 

[justabubba]

Pretty soon that wall will start looking kinda' expensive, too! :doh

he already started building it:

 

[calamity]

Actually in his defense he has said he supports keeping those two provisions before

I respect him for that. Seriously. It shows he's no dummy.

 

[d0gbreath]

Don't be too sure, Harshaw. A few Executive Orders could effectively destroy it.

Welcome to the NY Liberal Trump. In another thread I predicted that the GOP would hate Trump two years into his term.

Let's make that one year. Donald, who's good friends with the Clintons and the Obama's, pulled the wool over the GOP.

Of course they'll all be saying that they knew he was a shyster all along.

Interesting times.

 

[polgara]

Considering he swings like a pendulum when it comes to his positions, I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Greetings, TheGoverness. :2wave:

You know how those billionaire businessmen are - they just hate to be stereotyped! :lamo