That's their justification for killing 16 unarmed civillians in international waters?!?! BS
Expressing regrets is one thing, not allowing collective punishment and disproportionate use of force is another.
Not anger, just a shrug of the shoulders.
Expressing regrets is one thing, not allowing collective punishment and disproportionate use of force is another.
And just you dare say something about Spain(When you're actually saying something about Europe)...
What about the disproportionate criticism of Israel? Is that not wrong too?
An appeal to prejudice does not show "common sense".
Neither does the acceptance of politically motivated second hand accounts and carefully edited footage when the raw footage is quite redily available.
And, of course, I would be remiss were I to fail to mention once again the logical fallacy of believing something just because all one's little mates believe it, and that belief is based upon nothing but the enormous numerical advantage of those wishing to engineer opinion in their favor.
Israel has just allowed and transferred into Gaza the entire of the ship's humanitarian aid cargo, which, mind you, is no more than two thirds of what Israel enters into the Gaza Strip weekly.
From Reuters:
Note that Reuters didn't report that Israel had interpreted the video that showed the clubbing and stabbing of two marines. Reuters mentioned what the video showed. Hence, on the issue as to whether the Israelis were attacked with knives, the answer is that they were.
The other issue cited by a TV analyst is quite disturbing. If, in fact it is true, it indicates that at least some of the individuals on the ship had deadly intent.
As noted previously, the investigation will be crucial. Those on the ship who engaged in violence should be prosecuted. Until the facts have been established, only those who clearly lack material knowledge and those who had no role in the violence should be released. The remainder should be detained until the facts have been established, with innocent ones being released, and the others prosecuted appropriately.
j-mac Gaza has tunnels through to Egypt where they smuggle every day. If they wanted weapons they would use the tunnels.
I reject that claim.You have both tried to rubbish Europe in general and Spain in particular on several occasions during prior engagements with me.
I reject that too. :2razz:Unlike you, I can recognise the positives and the negatives of my country and my continent.
Obviously I find that to be false.I don't see every criticism of Spain or Europe as an attack on their very continued existence.
Maybe, maybe not.I don't think the either the EU or Spain is perfect and I think both can be criticised openly and frankly without necessarily resorting to claims of racism or prejudice, even if those are the motivating factors of the attacks.
Nope, that would be incorrect.I think you both got involved in the thread attacking Spain for Ceuta and Melilla, didn't you?
Me neither.Most importantly, unlike you two, I don't act as cheerleader for a régime no matter what excesses it engages in.
You haven't found such post because you weren't looking for one.I woud be more disposed to taking your opinions seriously had I read a single post by either of you making the mildest criticism of the actions of the state of Israel against the Palestinians. I've been here a few months now and I've never read any such critique. I could list a few of my own posts in support of Israel, however. I could link to even more that are critical of Hamas, Islamists and anti-semites too.
I was especially surprised by your reaction because most of the people who thanked that post are not pro-Israelis.
Israel has just allowed and transferred into Gaza the entire of the ship's humanitarian aid cargo, which, mind you, is no more than two thirds of what Israel enters into the Gaza Strip weekly.
So the UN says.Which is still only a quarter of what the UN says Gaza needs... So Israel lets one or two boatloads in this week - what happens next week when Gaza is back to the absolute bare minimum allowed in?
The entirety of the ships' cargo? So, no weapons cache? No bomb-making equipment?
The entirety of the ships' cargo? So, no weapons cache? No bomb-making equipment?
That doesn't mean it was funny. How many times have we seen photoshop montages of political leaders superimposed over the Titanic poster? It might have been slighlty funny had it been well done and had used the instantly recognisable face of Ahmadinejad. I recognised R.T. Erdoğan, but who was the other one? Khamenei? Don't think so, I've never seen a photo of him without a turban. My criticism isn't political, it's comedical.
You believe that every Gazan should have a long knife in his kitchen, so he can cut his T-bone steaks efficiently, no?
I reject that claim.
I reject that too. :2razz:
Obviously I find that to be false.
Maybe, maybe not.
Nope, that would be incorrect.
Me neither.
Who's the third guy? Gardener ain't no Israeli, but seems like you really have your own definition for who's an Israeli.
You haven't found such post because you weren't looking for one.
Clearly your issue is not with me personally, as this post of yours is proving.
A T-bone steak? What T-bone steak? You're talking about Gaza.
http://www.savethechildren.org/count...aza-strip.html
How do you view those who tried to get around the blockades of WW2 or even the blockade by the USSR of Berlin? (Both times, US forces were heavily involved in getting supplies through the blockades)
No comment for the generalization you've made?
What generalization? I mused that perhaps the comedic culture of his country wasn't terribly developed, it's hardly a dogmatic statement. Please don't be hyper-sensitive and do feel free to have a go at Spanish, British or general European comedy too, if you feel so moved.
-- And if this had happened on a street during the daytime in a planned protest with the proper equipment, I'm sure nobody would have been killed. However, it happened at night, on a boat, with activists attacking out of nowhere as soldiers dropped from a helicoptor one by one --
"Non-lethal explosion," or in non-spin mode, flashbangs.
-- Do either of you honestly believe that it was happenstance that these people had all these things handy? The knives, the bats, the pipes, the catapults, the slingshots with marbles, etc.?
There's exactly one explanation for why they had all those things at hand that they used as weapons - they planned on using them as weapons, but wanted to be able to make the exact argument you're making right now.
-- About slingshots: are you considering that as a weapon?!?
I think that British humor has become repulsive.
What happened to Monty Python and Mr. Bean?
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