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Israel detonates Hezbollah walkie-talkies in second wave after pager attack

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I am just amazed at the ingenuity, coordination capabilities, and sophistication of Israeli intelligence. I wonder if US intelligence is capable of this level of sophistication. Ethical issues and considerations aside, this is just an incredible operation.
 
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It’s getting so that a terrorist can’t even trust their communication devices any more.
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So Israel (much worse than Hamas), the terrorists, can't trust their communication devices? Neither can many Lebanese civilians and those around them who used the pagers.
 
ataraxia said:
I am just amazed at the ingenuity, coordination capabilities, and sophistication of Israeli intelligence. I wonder if US intelligence is capable of this level of sophistication. Ethical issues and considerations aside, this is just an incredible operation.
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I kind of understand how a pager could be rigged to explode upon receiving a certain signal or number but how is it even possible to rig a bunch of walkie talkies to detonate at the same time? A timer, maybe?
 
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Israel blew up thousands of two-way personal radios used by Hezbollah members in Lebanon in a second wave of an intelligence operation that started on Tuesday with the explosions of pager devices, two sources with knowledge of the operation told Axios.


I guess yesterday was just a preview. It’s getting so that a terrorist can’t even trust their communication devices any more.
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I think, regardless of whether or not you support Isreal's continued offensive in Gaza, you have to applaud Israel's move aginst Hezbollah.

This is exactly the way I would like to see Israel defend itself. Targeting the offenders and minimizing the damage done to civillians.

To be perfectly honest, these Pager/Walkie-Talkie attacks were so close to perfect, I am not so sure we will ever see it again.
 
ataraxia said:
I am just amazed at the ingenuity, coordination capabilities, and sophistication of Israeli intelligence. I wonder if US intelligence is capable of this level of sophistication. Ethical issues and considerations aside, this is just an incredible operation.
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They have a long history of such things - they're arguably the world leader in such 'tech war' things. And it's long been evil. They not only committed this act of terrorism, they reportedly sent pages just before exploding them to get the people to be holding the pagers in their hand and blow up their hands, maiming them. Though that might be less bad than it going off in their pocket. They do love to maim people, remember the march of return.

If you'd like some more stories of them being 'clever' to kill people, read the book "Rise First and Kill".

It shows both 'clever' operations and bungled.

Remember their 'clever' plot to blow up a civilian airliner with Arafat on board over an area without radar to catch them doing it - and that they likely did assassinate Arafat with radiation poisoning, a la Putin.
 
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I kind of understand how a pager could be rigged to explode upon receiving a certain signal or number but how is it even possible to rig a bunch of walkie talkies to detonate at the same time? A timer, maybe?
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Triggering mechanism with the explosive I assume. Someone got a medal for the operation to sneak the explosives into the devices. Literally the day after the US again demands 'all parties' refrain from escalations, they do this.
 
Craig234 said:
So Israel (much worse than Hamas), the terrorists, can't trust their communication devices? Neither can many Lebanese civilians and those around them who used the pagers.
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But it wasn’t all devices that exploded in Lebanon, now was it? In both cases it’s been a very targeted attack on devices used by specific people.
 
rjay said:
I think, regardless of whether or not you support Isreal's continued offensive in Gaza, you have to applaud Israel's move aginst Hezbollah.

This is exactly the way I would like to see Israel defend itself. Targeting the offenders and minimizing the damage done to civillians.
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Thank you, for real, for acknowledging that’s exactly the intent here.
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To be perfectly honest, these Pager/Walkie-Talkie attacks were so close to perfect, I am not so sure we will ever see it again.
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Oh, no doubt that any future deliveries of communication devices won’t be doled out without careful inspection.
 
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But it wasn’t all devices that exploded in Lebanon, now was it? In both cases it’s been a very targeted attack on devices used by specific people.
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Reportedly not too long ago, the head of Hezbollah recognized the vulnerabilities of cell phones and ordered a switch to pagers, and apparently Mossad was able to sabotage them. Hezbollah is an elected political party, reportedly the largest, with all kinds of politicians, family members, civil sevants and others who used the pagers as well as the militia. This is terrorism worse than nearly all other terrorist acts.
 
rjay said:
I think, regardless of whether or not you support Isreal's continued offensive in Gaza, you have to applaud Israel's move aginst Hezbollah.

This is exactly the way I would like to see Israel defend itself. Targeting the offenders and minimizing the damage done to civillians.

To be perfectly honest, these Pager/Walkie-Talkie attacks were so close to perfect, I am not so sure we will ever see it again.
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RELATIVELY speaking, yes, this terrorism was less bad than their usual terrorism. It was more 'targeted', harming a lower percent of civilians, than their blowing up blocks of homes and refugee camps. It's about as good as it gets with their terrorist acts. What would you say if thousands of IDF or US military among civilians nowhere near a battlefield had this done? Praise it?
 
Craig234 said:
RELATIVELY speaking, yes, this terrorism was less bad than their usual terrorism. It was more 'targeted', harming a lower percent of civilians, than their blowing up blocks of homes and refugee camps. It's about as good as it gets with their terrorist acts. What would you say if thousands of IDF or US military among civilians nowhere near a battlefield had this done? Praise it?
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I wouldn’t, but wouldn’t you?
 
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Thank you, for real, for acknowledging that’s exactly the intent here.
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It wasn't the intent. You're confusing opportunity with intent. If this was the ONLY attack, if they weren't committing genocide at the same time, you might speculate about the intent. But clearly this was simply an additional opportunity for terrorism they took that happened to apply to Hezbollah fighters and civilians, in addition to the civilians in Gaza they're committing genocide against. The targeting appears accidental caused by the distribution of devices.
 
Israel seems to be more than a few moves ahead of Hezbollah
 
ataraxia said:
I am just amazed at the ingenuity, coordination capabilities, and sophistication of Israeli intelligence. I wonder if US intelligence is capable of this level of sophistication. Ethical issues and considerations aside, this is just an incredible operation.
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They are. We just do not hear about it most of the time.
 
Craig234 said:
So you would praise thousands of US military in civilian settings having terrorist bombs set off?
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I definitely don’t support American service members being killed under any circumstances. It is Interesting how you’ve left out your initial mention of the IDF. If IDF members were attacked in the same way by Hamas or Hezbollah, you’d absolutely support it.
 
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I kind of understand how a pager could be rigged to explode upon receiving a certain signal or number but how is it even possible to rig a bunch of walkie talkies to detonate at the same time? A timer, maybe?
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They did not all detonate at the same time. Probably some were not switched on until later.
 
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Fair point, so I'll clarify. I mean NUMERICALLY it's worse than nearly all acts of terrorism - thousands of people likely maimed - but QUALITATIVELY, in terms of 'targeting', it harmed a lower percent of civilians than their other acts of terrorism like when they blow up a block of homes or a refugee camp.
 
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Craig234 said:
It wasn't the intent. You're confusing opportunity with intent. If this was the ONLY attack, if they weren't committing genocide at the same time, you might speculate about the intent. But clearly this was simply an additional opportunity for terrorism they took that happened to apply to Hezbollah fighters and civilians, in addition to the civilians in Gaza they're committing genocide against. The targeting appears accidental caused by the distribution of devices.
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The targeting only “appears accidental” to those that have an antagonistic relationship with reality. This has been very targeted.
 
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