Israel calls on 1.1 million Gazans to evacuate south in order UN warns is ‘impossible’

[Lord Tammerlain]

LOL Russia invaded a sovereign nation using the same excuse Hitler used when he started WWII by invading Poland with Russian help. They attacked the Capitol with the intention of decapitating the elected Govt. and installing their own puppet Govt. They failed and are continuing to fail.

Ukraine when it had the chance joined with Nazi. It has a significant number of militia members who idolize Ukrainians who joined the Nazis. Those militia members were attacking ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine. Russia had no choice but to cut the head off the snake. Given how many people were killed by Nazi including jews and Russians, Russia had to invade to protect itself.
Ukraine should have eliminated the Nazi, not support them, Ukraine should not have threatened to join an anti Russian group. Had it done so Russia would not have invaded in self defense and tens of thousands of Ukrainians would still be alive.

Ukraine made bad choices, it's neo Nazis were killing Russians. All the deaths are on Ukraines head. It could have surrendered and given up the neo Nazi. Instead it hides in cities and supports the neo nazi.

 

[iguanaman]

They were elected last in 2006. Since then they just seized control by force. Almost half of the current population wasn’t even alive the last time Hamas was voted for.

So then this is also a rescue operation to rid Gaza of a totalitarian govt. the Gazan people do not want. Israel will be greeted as liberators.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

There is always a chance for peace. But peace is for the future. Today is for war.

He said as much. He basically said it was unavoidable. And that you could not prevent Israel from retaliating.

He sounds like a real nutcase.

You should listen to the whole video. It's very thoughtful. And even if you disagree with his opinion, it was a good discussion.

The US made up with Germany only after completely destroying the existing German government and hanging its war criminals.

Israel probably has time to reduce human suffering prior to the invasion and occupation of Gaza. I think Israel must go into Gaza and destroy Hamas, but they can do it while also minimizing suffering. And the clearing out of the tunnels is probably going to take a very long time, months. So I don't think a big rush is necessary. And allowing for humanitarian concerns will help Israel in the long term, strategically.

 

[Anthony60]

How? The people of Gaza who they are killing have no power to force Hamas to do anything and Hamas is made up of religious fanatics who don’t care if they die.

All cutting off water will do is unnecessarily kill civilians.

It's their best chance. What is a better chance than that?

 

[iguanaman]

Ukraine when it had the chance joined with Nazi. It has a significant number of militia members who idolize Ukrainians who joined the Nazis. Those militia members were attacking ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine. Russia had no choice but to cut the head off the snake. Given how many people were killed by Nazi including jews and Russians, Russia had to invade to protect itself.
Ukraine should have eliminated the Nazi, not support them, Ukraine should not have threatened to join an anti Russian group. Had it done so Russia would not have invaded in self defense and tens of thousands of Ukrainians would still be alive.

Ukraine made bad choices, it's neo Nazis were killing Russians. All the deaths are on Ukraines head. It could have surrendered and given up the neo Nazi. Instead it hides in cities and supports the neo nazi.

Bandera spent years in a Nazi concentration camp for advocating for Ukrainian independence. That is how much of a collaborator he was. When Hitler invaded Poland Russia helped and took half of Poland for themselves. The Russians helped the Nazi's round up Polish Jews too. Russia also helped Germany develop their new weapons for years with secret bases in Russia meant to evade the restrictions from their WWI defeat. Stalin was instrumental in the start of WWII and the rise of Nazi Germany.
Putin made bad choices invading Ukraine and his army has already lost more tanks than the US did in all of WWII. He will lose this war and Crimea too and the 100's of 1000's of Russian dead will have died for nothing.

 

[BirdinHand]

Yup. And now Hezbollah is acting up.

At 3:15 p.m. local time (8:15 a.m. ET) on Saturday, Hezbollah launched a volley of missiles at Israeli positions in the disputed Shebaa farms, according to a statement by the Iran-backed armed group.

The Shebaa farms is a disputed strip of land between Lebanon and Syria, controlled by Israel, and adjoining the Israeli-occupied Syrian Golan Heights.

Israeli forces returned fire, a statement by the Israeli military said, in areas near the Shebaa farms. A CNN team near the area heard sustained crossfire, which appeared to be an exchange of artillery rounds.

The cross-border fire began less than two hours after the funeral of Reuters journalist and south Lebanon native Issam Abdallah, who was killed Friday during an Israeli attack. Hundreds of mourners flocked to the border town of Khiam from all over the country.

Hezbollah has not linked its actions to Abdallah’s death, but issued a statement earlier Saturday condemning the UN and the US for “wilful ignorance” about Israel’s role in the attack.

On Friday, Hezbollah said it attacked four locations in northern Israel. Israel also fired at several areas in southern Lebanon. Abdallah died and several other international journalists were wounded in one of those strikes.

Remember: This fighting is centered on northern Israel and southern Lebanon — separate from Israel's fighting with Hamas further south, which is centered around Gaza. But an uptick in clashes with Hezbollah has raised fears that the powerful Lebanese paramilitary group could actively participate in the conflict.

Live updates: Israel-Hamas war rages as Palestinian death toll in Gaza rises

Israel's military has warned 1.1 million people living in northern Gaza to evacuate amid signs Israel could ramp up its retaliatory offensive against Hamas following the group's October 7 terror attacks. Follow live updates here.

www.cnn.com

Yeah - I think it was anticipated that area in particular would be a problem.

There is a reason our military presence is in the area…hopefully Lebanon can get some of their own forces in there and cool that area off quickly.

 

[TheParser]

Hopefully this reality will cause the Israelis to use some restraint.

Anyone watching CNN's coverage of the current suffering in Gaza (and the Israeli soldiers have not even entered Gaza yet!!!) will find the situation tragic.

The Israelis are bent on revenge -- understandably.

But they are -- by any reasonable standard -- causing unreasonable misery and death to the civilians who still remain in Gaza. I hear some Gazans have decided to stay and -- if necessary -- die there. (The hospitals -- lacking power and water -- are becoming morgues.)

This time, the United Nations is right: what Israel is doing to the civilians in Gaza is shameful.

I suspect some American officials agree, but they are afraid to criticize Israel. Hopefully, some Administration figures are privately trying to get Israel to give more time for Gazans to go south before Israel reduces Gaza City to a "city of tents."

 

[iguanaman]

Anyone watching CNN's coverage of the current suffering in Gaza (and the Israeli soldiers have not even entered Gaza yet!!!) will find the situation tragic.

The Israelis are bent on revenge -- understandably.

But they are -- by any reasonable standard -- causing unreasonable misery and death to the civilians who still remain in Gaza. I hear some Gazans have decided to stay and -- if necessary -- die there. (The hospitals -- lacking power and water -- are becoming morgues.)

This time, the United Nations is right: what Israel is doing to the civilians in Gaza is shameful.

I suspect some American officials agree, but they are afraid to criticize Israel. Hopefully, some Administration figures are privately trying to get Israel to give more time for Gazans to go south before Israel reduces Gaza City to a "city of tents."

So Hama's refusal to surrender and return the hostages has nothing to do with what Gaza is experiencing? What they are doing to the people of Gaza is doubly shameful and the Gazans are being liberated from a totalitarian regime. Hamas will not succeed and their refusal to admit that indicates their only goal is to cause more deaths.

 

[Rich2018]

So Hama's refusal to surrender and return the hostages has nothing to do with what Gaza is experiencing? What they are doing to the people of Gaza is doubly shameful and the Gazans are being liberated from a totalitarian regime. Hamas will not succeed and their refusal to admit that indicates their only goal is to cause more deaths.

They've already succeeded.

 

[Cardinal]

 

[Fledermaus]

Bodi said:
Hamas represents the Palestinians... if Hamas cared about the civilians and surrendered, the water would be back on. This is Hamas's fault... 100%

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This isn't a condemnation of Israel's refusal to allow potable water into Gaza. Yep, it sure looks as if you don't have much of a problem with ISRAEL's deliberately killing babies by depriving them of water.

A government (Hamas) decides to launch a terrorist attack upon a neighboring nation which slaughtered men, women and children and then citizens of that government are enraged they don't have essentials from the nation this government (Hamas) attacked...

Interesting

 

[TheParser]

So Hama's refusal to surrender and return the hostages has nothing to do with what Gaza is experiencing? What they are doing to the people of Gaza is doubly shameful and the Gazans are being liberated from a totalitarian regime. Hamas will not succeed and their refusal to admit that indicates their only goal is to cause more deaths.

Yes, Hamas does not care about the Gazans.

Yes, Israel should smash Hamas to pieces.

But it should do so in a reasonable manner that does not unnecessarily cause more misery to the civilians living there.

I have heard some TV talking heads say that civilian deaths are just part of warfare. They point out how the Allies bombed the blank out of German cities during World War II. And was it necessary to drop the atomic bombs on Japan?

Maybe they are right.

I just think that a lot of people expect better of the Israelis.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Bandera spent years in a Nazi concentration camp for advocating for Ukrainian independence. That is how much of a collaborator he was. When Hitler invaded Poland Russia helped and took half of Poland for themselves. The Russians helped the Nazi's round up Polish Jews too. Russia also helped Germany develop their new weapons for years with secret bases in Russia meant to evade the restrictions from their WWI defeat. Stalin was instrumental in the start of WWII and the rise of Nazi Germany.
Putin made bad choices invading Ukraine and his army has already lost more tanks than the US did in all of WWII. He will lose this war and Crimea too and the 100's of 1000's of Russian dead will have died for nothing.

His supporters, his supporters were not in jail

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Yes, Hamas does not care about the Gazans.

Yes, Israel should smash Hamas to pieces.

But it should do so in a reasonable manner that does not unnecessarily cause more misery to the civilians living there.

I have heard some TV talking heads say that civilian deaths are just part of warfare. They point out how the Allies bombed the blank out of German cities during World War II. And was it necessary to drop the atomic bombs on Japan?

Maybe they are right.

I just think that a lot of people expect better of the Israelis.

I wonder if they should move the civilians to south Gaza, clear out the north, then move the civilians to the north, and clear out the south. And they can give the women and children food, water, sanitation during this process, and the international community can help? Eliminate Hamas entirely. In the months and years that follow, after Hamas has been eliminated, they can simply appoint a new leadership to Gaza that is less crazy?

 

[iguanaman]

Yes, Hamas does not care about the Gazans.

Yes, Israel should smash Hamas to pieces.

But it should do so in a reasonable manner that does not unnecessarily cause more misery to the civilians living there.

I have heard some TV talking heads say that civilian deaths are just part of warfare. They point out how the Allies bombed the blank out of German cities during World War II. And was it necessary to drop the atomic bombs on Japan?

Maybe they are right.

I just think that a lot of people expect better of the Israelis.

There is quite a steady stream of Gazans heading south and a long as they are still leaving I am sure the IDF will give them the time to leave. The problem I see is that Hamas is likely leaving with them. Hamas does not want to lose their human shields.

 

[iguanaman]

His supporters, his supporters were not in jail

Bandera did not take part in any of the atrocities and his only sin was hating Russia for occupying Ukraine. That is why you hate him. He is the symbol of Ukrainian nationalists fighting for independence from Russian oppressors. The Russian atrocities against the Ukraine people far out number anything done by Ukrainians too.
Stalin sent 100's of 1000's to the Gulags and starved millions to death by taking away all the farmers crops. Putin is reviving Stalin because he admires his brutality and his alliance with Hitler too.

 

[Tigerace117]

Bandera spent years in a Nazi concentration camp for advocating for Ukrainian independence. That is how much of a collaborator he was. When Hitler invaded Poland Russia helped and took half of Poland for themselves. The Russians helped the Nazi's round up Polish Jews too. Russia also helped Germany develop their new weapons for years with secret bases in Russia meant to evade the restrictions from their WWI defeat. Stalin was instrumental in the start of WWII and the rise of Nazi Germany.
Putin made bad choices invading Ukraine and his army has already lost more tanks than the US did in all of WWII. He will lose this war and Crimea too and the 100's of 1000's of Russian dead will have died for nothing.

Oh look, more apologism for Bandera and his thugs, who helped carry out the Holocaust and happily collaborated with the Nazis throughout the war.

Wails of “but Putin” while excusing and defending the Israeli slaughter of Palestinian civilians is meaningless.

 

[Tigerace117]

Bandera did not take part in any of the atrocities and his only sin was hating Russia for occupying Ukraine. That is why you hate him. He is the symbol of Ukrainian nationalists fighting for independence from Russian oppressors. The Russian atrocities against the Ukraine people far out number anything done by Ukrainians too.
Stalin sent 100's of 1000's to the Gulags and starved millions to death by taking away all the farmers crops. Putin is reviving Stalin because he admires his brutality and his alliance with Hitler too.

He is a symbol of Nazi collaboration and complicity in the Holocaust, with desperate attempts to excuse that by wailing “but nationalism“ being as vile as ever.

 

[iguanaman]

Oh look, more apologism for Bandera and his thugs, who helped carry out the Holocaust and happily collaborated with the Nazis throughout the war.

Wails of “but Putin” while excusing and defending the Israeli slaughter of Palestinian civilians is meaningless.

Bandera spent most of the war in a Nazi concentration camp in Germany but don't let that stop you from making up your false narratives. Putin doesn't pay you for nothing. Putin is also involved with training and arming Hamas because there is not a war in the world that he doesn't have his filthy fingers in. The man makes Hitler look like a pacifist.

 

[Tigerace117]

Banders spent most of the war in a Nazi concentration camp in Germany but don't let that stop you from making up your false narratives. Putin doesn't pay you for nothing. Putin is also involved with training and arming Hamas because there is not a war in the world that he doesn't have his filthy fingers in.

Bandera’s men were murdering Ukraine’s Jewish populace practically from the minute the Germans crossed the border.

But thanks for demonstrating why so many Nazis were able to escape justice.

The seething of someone furious the Russians crushed the Nazis has no meaning.

 

[What if...?]

The time for restraint has ended.



The furniture and appliances will have been obliterated in the pre-invasion bombardment.

If it were up to me Israel would certainly annex all land that they clear the Palestinians off from. But there are no signs that Israel is planning to do so.

It's certainly not a ploy however. Hamas really are evil terrorists who need to be exterminated.

That’s the whole plan. To get all of those original residents off Israel’s land.

It will be interesting when they start going after “their” land in Syria.

 

[braindrain]

Falsely accusing people of hating Israel is a really pathetic defense of genocide.

Malicious or incompetent, it doesn’t matter. He exposed his people to danger. He has brutalized and dehumanized the Palestinian people, he has prepared his country to commit atrocities. It’s incredibly convenient for him to now have an excuse to break up the massive protests regarding his corruption, to use the war as a shield for his crimes.

Sorry but if the shoes fits.

So you admit you have no idea what those warnings actually were or if they made it to the national leadership level but hey never miss an opportunity to attack those you don’t like right?

The recent attacks kind of demonstrate why Israel acts the way they do towards the people in gaza.

 

[Felis Leo]

At a minimum: what was/is demanded of the Russians. Clear humanitarian corridors. An immediate end to bombing of civilian areas. Consequences for war crimes, including forcible relocation and denial of food and water.

Perhaps you have said this before, reinaert, but I must ask: Since Hamas is based exclusively in civilian areas, is firing rockets from civilian areas and is apparently discouraging civilians from fleeing, what is your solution?

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Bandera did not take part in any of the atrocities and his only sin was hating Russia for occupying Ukraine. That is why you hate him. He is the symbol of Ukrainian nationalists fighting for independence from Russian oppressors. The Russian atrocities against the Ukraine people far out number anything done by Ukrainians too.
Stalin sent 100's of 1000's to the Gulags and starved millions to death by taking away all the farmers crops. Putin is reviving Stalin because he admires his brutality and his alliance with Hitler too.

I don't hate Bandera, he is meaningless. His supporters help the Nazis, and now Ukrainians idolize them

Evil nazi supporters, who you feel failed to kill enough Russians

 

[iguanaman]

Bandera’s men were murdering Ukraine’s Jewish populace practically from the minute the Germans crossed the border.

But thanks for demonstrating why so many Nazis were able to escape justice.

The seething of someone furious the Russians crushed the Nazis has no meaning.

Meanwhile in the present you support a wannabe Hitler that is murdering civilians in Ukraine every day. Bombing Supermarkets, cafe's and even funerals.. Even the Nazi's were not that cruel. You want a new holocaust in Ukraine by Putin. That is inexcusable.