The_Penguin
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Germans have known for some time that their country is a target for terror.
In 2006, two Lebanese men tried and failed to blow up German commuter trains with a bomb in a suitcase.
In recent years, Islamic militant groups abroad have posted regular video messages on the internet warning of imminent attacks on Germany. The motivation: Germany's military mission in Afghanistan.
But the plot uncovered in 2007 shocked Germans more than any other incident.
That's because it involved native Germans joining a jihad against the West.
Growing up in the city of Ulm, Fritz Gelowicz seemed no different from any other teenager. He enjoyed sports and played in the local American Football team, the Ulm Barracudas.
But he became drawn to radical Islam. He had contact with radical preachers at a local cultural centre which was later shut down. He converted to Islam.
On 5 September 2007, German TV broadcast pictures of Fritz Gelowicz handcuffed and being led towards a police helicopter. He was one of three men arrested at a holiday cottage in the Sauerland region of western Germany.
Also detained was Daniel Schneider, another German convert to Islam.
There was video, too, of what investigators had found in the cottage: barrels containing enough hydrogen peroxide to produce hundreds of kilograms of explosives.
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OMG....RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! The terrorists are coming....the terrorists are coming!
Please, what modern industrialized nation is going to escape the hate from less developed nations, especially ones embroiled in theocracy. Deal with it.
Most useless post I've seen this month... congrats.
Now go and think of something that will actually add value to the discussion.
An article high-lighting a serious social problem is now drumming up fear? Interesting...The most useless posts are those still trying to drum up fear over terrorists.
*sigh*Idiots and buffoons the lot. There will always be terrorists so long as there are pissed off people with no voice.
I am? How do you figure? One article with one sentence. No exclamation points, no bold letters, no caps (except one.) What wondrous insights do you poses that enable you to extract these explanations from my words that not even I, the author, thought of while writing this? Really, do tell.Running around like a chicken with its head cut off screaming about the sky falling every time there's some act of terrorism or attempt at it...now that's the most useless posts/actions ever.
Hitler admired Islam, and lamented that Germany was a Christian nation, at times. He felt that Islams warlike nature was more in keeping with his own vision for Germany, as opposed to a more pacifist Christianity.
Hitler admired Islam, and lamented that Germany was a Christian nation, at times. He felt that Islams warlike nature was more in keeping with his own vision for Germany, as opposed to a more pacifist Christianity.
what does Hitler have to do with this? ... and ...
"pacifist Christianity" ... are you serious? wow.
what does Hitler have to do with this? ... and ...
"pacifist Christianity" ... are you serious? wow.
There can be no doubt of his Christianist roots.
....."now?" Europe is a breeding ground for terrorist plotters. Even the 9/11 plotters worked out of Germany's environment. It is enjoyable watching Europeans slowly realize what others have been stating for a very long time though. Europe's immigration/lack of job problem is going to grow into great hardship. And Islamists love an opportunity where Muslims are "oppressed" and angry at western government. We are seeing friction on many levels throughout Europe between Muslims and their host governments already. Sooner or later, Europeans may get the feeling that exercising their freedoms must surpass their Muslim populations sensitivities. And then?
Culture is fate.
Interesting. And where did the 9/11 plotters learn to fly? Where was that breeding ground you were talking about, Bub?
Christianist?? I think the word you're looking for here is Christian, whatever your argument is.
Are you saying that only Christians can become religious fanatics or National Socialists, but Muslims cannot?
Or is it just Germans?
Maybe the Muslimists can tell you.
"Yup, National Socialism was an exclusively Christian construct".
"Islamism at its most extreme incarnation is an ugly creed, but Nazi it ain't".
Why would you, if Nazism was all about Chrsitianity?"You won't find ideas of pure blood, Aryan supremacy, lebensraum or manifest destiny within it".
"This doesn't mean that the ideas you do find are any more attractive. They are just different".
Associating Nazism and Islamism is just an intellectually weak position. You know everyone thinks Nazism is BAD, so associating Islamism with it automatically makes Islamism BAD too".
but associating this with Nazism allows right-wingers to condemn it despite the fact that they agree with so many of its prohibitions.
"Let's ask mbig, Grant, Apocalypse et al to unequivocally voice their support for gay marriage, racial integration, anti-discrimination, anti-hate-crime legislation, exclusively secular education. Go on, put your money where your mouth is.
Yup, National Socialism was an exclusively Christian construct. Islamism at its most extreme incarnation is an ugly creed, but Nazi it ain't. You won't find ideas of pure blood, Aryan supremacy, lebensraum or manifest destiny within it. This doesn't mean that the ideas you do find are any more attractive. They are just different.
And you base this opinion... what??Mein Kampf. Read it. It's very clear.
So WWll was all about the Allies Atheists fighting the German Christians, huh?
And I say that, where? That Nazism was essentially a (f***ed up) Christian construct doesn't mean that anti-Nazism isn't. This isn't a "my religion's better than your religion" dick-measuring contest. Do you want it to be?
Its usually more identified with Fascism, as in Islamofascism.
As in neo-con propaganda terms. Gawd bless 'em.
Sorry, I don't get your point.Why would you, if Nazism was all about Chrsitianity?
But Islamism is good? What do you admire most about it?
Saying Islamism is not Nazi is not the same as saying Islamism is good. If I need to point that out then we're really not going to get anywhere, are we?
Well, if you listen to a lot of televangelists (I'm thinking Pat Robertson, Fred Phelps etc) they're probably in favour of the first two.And which of these prohibitions do they agree with? Hanging 15 year old boys? Stoning women? Clitorectomies?
Can't speak for anyone else but I support gay marriage (I have a Gay son), racial integration (I spend at least half the year among people of a different culture and language) am against any hate crime legislation, and feel that private schools are acceptable so long as they do not preach hatred, denigrate others, and follow the general curriculum of the rest of the schools.
What about you?
As you might be surprised to discover, I'm against gay marriage. I am gay and I don't think we should be aping heterosexual institutions. I'm all in favour of equal legal treatment of gay partners and straight partners. I live the whole time in a different culture and language from my own and I don't blanket condemn any other religion or culture, especially one that has over a billion members. I'm not a Christian but Matthew 7:3 seems apt in this discussion:
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Christians, Jews and atheists should be settling with their own issues before tackling the mote that is in thy Muslim brother's eye.
I am against the idea of 'faith' schools. I believe that religion and state should be kept apart. I am against 'private' schooling generally. Education is not something that should make anyone a profit.
Mein Kampf. Read it. It's very clear.
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