ISIS details 'Why We Hate You' in new magazine

[coldjoint]

Right on topic. Congrats: you get another F

:coffeepap

 

[99percenter]

They hate our freedom. :2usflag:

 

[Kiwimac]

Did you really say that? You should have said compare modern to medieval. They seem pretty much the same.

Ideologically speaking, there is no difference.

Heiferdust. Take the time to actually study Islamic History and you'll find quite distinct eras within the history. Your insistence that they are all the same is simply ignorance.

 

[apdst]

Heiferdust. Take the time to actually study Islamic History and you'll find quite distinct eras within the history. Your insistence that they are all the same is simply ignorance.

Educate me, then. This is your big chance to show us how much you know.

 

[coldjoint]

So you are ignoring the difference between Islam at the time of muhammad and at, say, the time of the Nasrids in Spain?

They took slaves when Mohammad was alive. They took slaves in Spain. They collected jizya when Mohammad was alive. They collected jizya in Spain.

Also what makes you think what Nasrids did would have any influence in todays world? Or serve as some kind of an excuse for the brutality today?

 

[coldjoint]

Heiferdust. Take the time to actually study Islamic History and you'll find quite distinct eras within the history. Your insistence that they are all the same is simply ignorance.

No one said that. I have maintained the religion ISIS follows, and other radical groups is Mohammads Islam.

 

[stevecanuck]

Modernized Western Islam?

There's no such thing. There is no King James version of the Qur'an.

There are however modernized, Western Muslims.

 

[Casper]

ISIS details 'Why We Hate You' in new magazine | Fox News

ISIS is at war and hates many people, Christians and Muslims alike, that is probably why they have killed even more Muslims than Christians.

 

[FieldTheorist]

No such animal. Islam cannot change. If you wish to use westernized and modern, that is fine, just don't tack Islam on the end.

Have you ever even met a Muslim before? If you haven't, you'll have to forgive me if I ignore your baseless opinions according. I've met more than I can count. I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about here, and I'm pretty certain you just like spouting self-affirming, jingoistic bull****.

 

[coldjoint]

Have you ever even met a Muslim before? If you haven't, you'll have to forgive me if I ignore your baseless opinions according. I've met more than I can count. I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about here, and I'm pretty certain you just like spouting self-affirming, jingoistic bull****.

Read the Koran and you will find out none of it is baseless. You could count the terror attacks also, but those deaths are just jingoistic bull****.

 

[FieldTheorist]

There's no such thing. There is no King James version of the Qur'an.

There are however modernized, Western Muslims.

Given that most Christians aren't sentencing people to death for wearing multi-fabric clothes, stoning homosexuals, jailing fornicators and adulterers, and so on, I'm not sure what your point is here.

 

[stevecanuck]

Given that most Christians aren't sentencing people to death for wearing multi-fabric clothes, stoning homosexuals, jailing fornicators and adulterers, and so on, I'm not sure what your point is here.

You referred to "modernized Western Islam", and I said there is no such thing. There are however modernized Western Muslims. I'm drawing a distinction between the creed and its adherents. Is that clearer?

 

[stevecanuck]

Have you ever even met a Muslim before? If you haven't, you'll have to forgive me if I ignore your baseless opinions according. I've met more than I can count. I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about here, and I'm pretty certain you just like spouting self-affirming, jingoistic bull****.

Islam is a subject that can be discussed in it's own right, independent of how many Muslims you may have met. It starts with the Qur'an, hadiths, and the life and times of Mohamed and the first Muslims. If we can't agree on that, I will bid you adieu.

 

[chromium]

No such animal. Islam cannot change. If you wish to use westernized and modern, that is fine, just don't tack Islam on the end.

could say the same about christianity, most of whose adherents have become less fundamentalist

 

[chromium]

There's no such thing. There is no King James version of the Qur'an.

There are however modernized, Western Muslims.

Yes, there is. Read the saudi government's koran and compare it to, say, arberry

The KJV is quite more brutal than the ancient sources in a number of instances, as is the saudi government's koran. "Modern" text does not necessarily better reflect modern views

 

[chromium]

I'm sure that Fox News highly edited out their real issues, but that being said it's hard for me to listen to ISIS talk about Christianity and Western Imperialism after the things they've done to other countries and ethnic groups --or their own children, for christ's sake.



I'm not sure I attach any meaning to "peaceful" in the context of Islam than I do socialism/libertarianism/etc being peaceful or violent. Salafi Islam is clearly violent, in both it's non-militant (They aren't violent to other groups, but they are quite violent to people living in their lands, e.g. Saudi Arabia's absurdly high death penalty cases) and militant cases (e.g. terrorism, death penalty, slavery, sexual abuse of children, etc). Modernized Western Islam? Not really a violent ideology in the least, and they stand in diametric opposition to Salafism. There's no risk of them committing terrorism or being violent or supporting violent Islam.

No risk? None at all? Explain to me then why the new yorker with modern conveniences traveled all the way to mecca twice and proceeded to commit the worst mass murder in the country's history. Homegrown muslim extremists attending mosques in florida kind of undermines your theory

There will always be more violence inspired by the abrahamic religions than by alternatives. They're pretty damn bloody frankly, both in their cultural histories and founding myths

 

[Bodi]

A good read. I understand why they hate me know. I feel better.

 

[FieldTheorist]

You referred to "modernized Western Islam", and I said there is no such thing. There are however modernized Western Muslims. I 'm drawing a distinction between the creed and its adherents.

Well, I don't. An ideology/denomination is far more than a religious text. If modern day Christianity were like what the Bible actually promoted, the West would be the most religiously violent culture on the face of the earth, short of Jesus' teachings of peace. Because the rest of it is bloodshed and violence, religious wars, stoning competing religious factions, etc.

Yet people have very interesting views on modern religion. Have you ever actually sat down and read the Bible and/or the Qur'an? I have. They're wildly incoherent, bloviating texts that make Tolkein's meandering writing seem like beautifully written prose by comparison. Anyone who claims to have a fully logical, straightforward account and a coherent interpretation of these texts is fooling themselves. The art of reading particular verses as "metaphors" in religious texts is an ancient and hallowed religious tradition.

Islam is a subject that can be discussed in it's own right, independent of how many Muslims you may have met. It starts with the Qur'an, hadiths, and the life and times of Mohamed and the first Muslims.

There's nothing to disagree with here.

If we can't agree on that, I will bid you adieu.

That's fine with me. I find technical religious discussions to be highly tedious and uninteresting.

 

[coldjoint]

could say the same about christianity, most of whose adherents have become less fundamentalist

Oh you could say Christians are committing organized terrorism at the present time in the name of Jesus? No, you could not.

 

[Mason66]

ISIS details 'Why We Hate You' in new magazine | Fox News

Where does it say they are doing this because they have no jobs, like this administration wants us to believe?

 

[Mason66]

I'm sure that Fox News highly edited out their real issues, but that being said it's hard for me to listen to ISIS talk about Christianity and Western Imperialism after the things they've done to other countries and ethnic groups --or their own children, for christ's sake.



I'm not sure I attach any meaning to "peaceful" in the context of Islam than I do socialism/libertarianism/etc being peaceful or violent. Salafi Islam is clearly violent, in both it's non-militant (They aren't violent to other groups, but they are quite violent to people living in their lands, e.g. Saudi Arabia's absurdly high death penalty cases) and militant cases (e.g. terrorism, death penalty, slavery, sexual abuse of children, etc). Modernized Western Islam? Not really a violent ideology in the least, and they stand in diametric opposition to Salafism. There's no risk of them committing terrorism or being violent or supporting violent Islam.

OK then please post the real complete story.

 

[Renae]

Where does it say they are doing this because they have no jobs, like this administration wants us to believe?

See what they say, put out in magazines.. it's really for "domestic" consumption as it were. The Administration of Barak Obama knows that this is secretly a plea by the leadership of the ISIS organization for food, housing, jobs for their people. The hate is really with right wing, Christian veterans and the like in the US. ISIS is just misunderstood.