Is Trump handing LA effectively?

[Artymoon]

Seems like the only ones with anything to gain in America are the politicians...hehe... I guess that's the case more often than not. I wonder how long before everyone feels like burning something.

Politicians looking to gain exists everywhere on the planet. It's part of the human condition.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

Well, I think it's complicated and of course through the very polarized lens here you see a lot of extremely strong opinions one way or another and a lot of sort of meta analysis of why it's actually happening.

I don't think it's going to be particularly effective in the long term because I believe this is only the beginning of a much more widespread battle.

 

[Fletch]

I would say no. Personally, I think Trump should focus of ridding the rest of the nation of criminal illegals and let the people of California live with the criminal element in their midst. If the left wants sanctuary cities in sanctuary states, they will simply be a magnet for the criminal element as it is chased out of everywhere else.

 

[Lutherf]

A simple poll, to capture a moment in time.

The question is not whether it's good or bad, sane or insane, lawful or unlawful, only whether or not Trump's response to what's happening in LA right now is the most effective response.

My personal opinion is that this is not an effective response, but rather serves to reinforce the concerns around incompetent tyranny, and pretty much guarantees escalation. Furthermore, it gives his detractors more ammunition the further it escalates.

What do you guys think?

Since federal troops are only being utilized to protect federal property I think he's doing exactly what he should be doing. If federal troops can hold down properties that are the target of these protests then the cops can do more to address the issues NOT related to those buildings.

 

[Lutherf]

The whole point of bringing in the Marines is to escalate the tension. Eventually, it will reach critical mass, something will spark a violent clash, and that will be used to implement martial law. From that point, public protests will be outlawed and dealt with severely.

Really? Bringing the National Guard in is escalation but riots, looting, obstructing ICE and burning cars isn't? You people have ZERO intellectual integrity. You smack someone and then freak out when they fight back. It's TOTAL wife beater mentality.

 

[BirdinHand]

So Trump is being smart by actually engaging very little. His threatened response however makes the local authorities actually address the problem. As you'll here the arguments back and forth in the media. The troops are often not even being deployed.

The local authorities (Bass and Newsom and soon to be many other Democrat jurisdictions) do not want to stop these protests. They want to use them to drive a national news cycle narrative about how horrible and mean Trump is according to them.

So Trump threatens the troops and they clean up their own mess but not before it has generated plenty of horrible imagery that is bad for them and great for Trump. There's burning, looting and so on.

Then the matter will be handled, in order to get Trump NOT to deploy the National Guard and they're left with bad optics and honestly Trump will get most of the credit for it ending quickly even though the reality is little will have been done by the National Guard.

You're basically watching Trump do here what he does with many deals and especially with tariffs. He has all the cards.

 

[forn]

Note, I said ANY action Trump suggests meets the approve of his supporters. They would support him if he shot someone on 5th avenue, he said so himself, if you remember.

Where did I say different? You gave both extreme positions, which I thought was impressively self aware. Usually on forums like this you just get one side or the other.

You started out meeting me half way then you threw that asinine comment in there. NO Democrat was celebrating Ashli Babbitt being shot. When someone makes such an asinine statement it cancels out any level-headed argument he might have been attempting to make.

If you don't think anyone celebrated Ashli Babbitt's death, I think you need to read this forum better.
But regardless, you are the one who said there would be people who would celebrate a rioter's death. Which I did not deny, by the way. That is no different than what happened to Babbitt.

 

[forn]

Really? Bringing the National Guard in is escalation but riots, looting, obstructing ICE and burning cars isn't? You people have ZERO intellectual integrity. You smack someone and then freak out when they fight back. It's TOTAL wife beater mentality.

The National Guard is not forcing any radical extremists to get violent. That is totally their idea.

 

[Linc]

Really? Bringing the National Guard in is escalation but riots, looting, obstructing ICE and burning cars isn't? You people have ZERO intellectual integrity. You smack someone and then freak out when they fight back. It's TOTAL wife beater mentality.

GOPs support the Putin Holocaust of Ukrainians, Bibi’s Holocaust of Palestinians and now Trump’s Holocaust of Minorities.

 

[Linc]

The National Guard is not forcing any radical extremists to get violent. That is totally their idea.

BOIL

 

[upsideguy]

If you are an American citizen, why are you waving the Mexican Flag while burning cars and looting?

IT'S AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE.

No, the absolute disgrace is calling up the US Marines on a minor civil disturbance that local officials can well handle. This is authoritarian stuff.

America is no longer the shining beacon on the hill once lauded by Reagan. Our stature has fallen from likely the greatest civilization ever in world history to a wanna be S-Hole country, led by a wanna be autocrat that was elected by fools who failed to see Trump for who he really is. Our days of greatness are behind us.

If the demise of American democracy did not terrorize the rest of the free world, we would be a laughing stock right now. Make America Great Again, my a... We are fools to have let this happen. We are the disgrace.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Where did I say different? You gave both extreme positions, which I thought was impressively self aware. Usually on forums like this you just get one side or the other.



If you don't think anyone celebrated Ashli Babbitt's death, I think you need to read this forum better.
But regardless, you are the one who said there would be people who would celebrate a rioter's death. Which I did not deny, by the way. That is no different than what happened to Babbitt.

You said Democrat. ON forums like this one people say all kinds of inane things. If I were to document every vile disgusting comment made by someone on HERE I wouldn't have enough days left in my life to do so.
That canard about "Democrats" was meant as a partisan dig. Plain and simple. Trying to present an even-handed approach and using language like that is perverse.
Imagine if I said Republicans were rejoicing the mauling of police officer Daniel Hodges. (Look up the reference). I know there were more than a few who gleefully watched the video and went hee hee, but I doubt any real Republican would have been among them. Only some far left fruitcake or far right fruitcake would celebrate harm. SO your accusation not only falls flat, but I repeat.............................. it's asinine.

 

[OlNate]

How so? What confused you, and what was light about his opinion?
ttwtt78640 said:
Other. The use of military/NG to protect federal buildings, from ‘mostly peaceful’ protestors, frees up state/local LEOs to deal with crime in other places. IIRC, those objecting loudest to this situation called for the use of military/NG to protect the US Capitol on 1/6/2021.

It didn't really answer the question, which is whether or not this is an effective strategy.

It also deflected with whataboutery, without clarifying whether or not he agreed with the use of military/NG on Jan 6.

I think what I agreed with in my post above is an effective approach.

Ok, fair enough.

I think Trump was correct to request the NG to be called in on 1/6 to help as much as he is now correct to protect to have them there to protect LA federal property. I think Pelosi accepted full responsibility for not having them there on 1/6.

This is an interesting statement... if we were looking at this as an equivalent, Trump would be wanting to send the NG in now to protect the protestors, as that was what he wanted the NG to be there to do for Jan 6. Would you say that you want the LA protestors protected as well?

Trump wanted troops to protect his supporters at Jan. 6 rally

President Donald Trump wanted National Guard troops in Washington to protect his supporters at a Jan. 6 rally that ended with them attacking the U.S. Capitol, leaving five dead, Trump's former Pentagon chief testified on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

(Please note that I am not suggesting that the fact that the NG was not called in was a good idea, or a bad idea, I'm merely scrutinizing the attempt at establishing an equivalency between the two events - an equivalency, I'll add, that I did not attempt to establish in the first place)

 

[Lutherf]

GOPs support the Putin Holocaust of Ukrainians, Bibi’s Holocaust of Palestinians and now Trump’s Holocaust of Minorities.

Yeah. That's about the size of it. Trump has had the Army all over the country putting bullets into the heads of anyone that looks a little brown. I get EXACTLY where you're coming from.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

No, but for the reason it’s not designed to make L.A. safer. Its agenda is more likely a trial run for Trump’s national plain to control objection and an increasingly resistant populace. It’s about power, not public safety.

 

[trixare4kids]

It didn't really answer the question, which is whether or not this is an effective strategy.

It also deflected with whataboutery, without clarifying whether or not he agreed with the use of military/NG on Jan 6.



Ok, fair enough.



This is an interesting statement... if we were looking at this as an equivalent, Trump would be wanting to send the NG in now to protect the protestors, as that was what he wanted the NG to be there to do for Jan 6. Would you say that you want the LA protestors protected as well?

Only if they are protesting. If they are rioting, looting, throwing rocks, bricks etc. and ignoring LE's commands, destroying federal property, doxing ICE raid locations, I want them arrested, and prosecuted.

Trump wanted troops to protect his supporters at Jan. 6 rally

President Donald Trump wanted National Guard troops in Washington to protect his supporters at a Jan. 6 rally that ended with them attacking the U.S. Capitol, leaving five dead, Trump's former Pentagon chief testified on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

(Please note that I am not suggesting that the fact that the NG was not called in was a good idea, or a bad idea, I'm merely scrutinizing the attempt at establishing an equivalency between the two events - an equivalency, I'll add, that I did not attempt to establish in the first place)

Okay.

 

[Taylor]

Trump is not in charge of "handling LA" - if the city had done its job, there would be no need for the NG.

 

[Lutherf]

No, but for the reason it’s not designed to make L.A. safer. Its agenda is more likely a trial run for Trump’s national plain to control objection and an increasingly resistant populace. It’s about power, not public safety.

What the actual ****?

ICE is conducting entirely lawful raids to pick up suspected violent criminal illegal aliens. Anti-government protesters are attacking and hindering them in that process and you blame Trump? I have no idea how so many people can get things so completely backward.

 

[Taylor]

No, but for the reason it’s not designed to make L.A. safer. Its agenda is more likely a trial run for Trump’s national plain to control objection and an increasingly resistant populace. It’s about power, not public safety.

Maybe take your tin foil hat off for a day or two and try again.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

What the actual ****?

ICE is conducting entirely lawful raids to pick up suspected violent criminal illegal aliens. Anti-government protesters are attacking and hindering them in that process and you blame Trump? I have no idea how so many people can get things so completely backward.

I’m speaking to the use of US military in what is obviously a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act and Trump’s warm up for use of Marshall Law.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Maybe take your tin foil hat off for a day or two and try again.

See above.

 

[forn]

You said Democrat. ON forums like this one people say all kinds of inane things. If I were to document every vile disgusting comment made by someone on HERE I wouldn't have enough days left in my life to do so.
That canard about "Democrats" was meant as a partisan dig. Plain and simple. Trying to present an even-handed approach and using language like that is perverse.
Imagine if I said Republicans were rejoicing the mauling of police officer Daniel Hodges. (Look up the reference). I know there were more than a few who gleefully watched the video and went hee hee, but I doubt any real Republican would have been among them. Only some far left fruitcake or far right fruitcake would celebrate harm. SO your accusation not only falls flat, but I repeat.............................. it's asinine.

Look dude, the problem with places like this is people get so heated, people start to take offense when there wasn't any intended. I never meant to imply that ALL Democrats were happy about Babbitt getting shot, but most certainly some of them were. I didn't come here to start an argument (at least not in this case), I was just making a comment. You said some people would be happy if a rioter was shot, I was just giving the other side of the coin.

 

[----------]

This is all unnecessary

I agree. There was no need to riot. ICE is just doing their job.

 

[Lutherf]

I’m speaking to the use of US military in what is obviously a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act and Trump’s warm up for use of Marshall Law.

I'm reasonably sure that using federal troops to secure federal property isn't a violation of posse comitatus. As you may or may not be aware, the Guard and Marines ARE NOT being deployed to conduct law enforcement actions.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Yeah. That's about the size of it. Trump has had the Army all over the country putting bullets into the heads of anyone that looks a little brown. I get EXACTLY where you're coming from.

I think this idea that Trump wants to murder every illegal immigrant from central and south America is just as stupid as this idea that there is a literal invasion of illegal immigrants so severe that the only thing that will save us is the Insurrection Act. It's just as nuts as saying there is a rebellion in Los Angeles right now. It's just as delusional as saying that the Alien Enemies Act applies to random Venezuelans who have no criminal record whatsoever. It's just as crazy as saying that we are experiencing a fentanyl crisis so severe it warrants launching a trade war against every country on the planet.

I know you love hyperbole and sarcasm when applied to your political opponents, and minimization and deflection when it applies to your political allies (everyday college kegger, amirite?), but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. So, apply the same logic to this fake rebellion Trump is using to justify terrorizing Los Angeles.